Rush Limbaugh: NY Cigarette Taxes killed Eric Garner

[emilynghiem]

New York Cigarette Taxes Killed Eric Garner - The Rush Limbaugh Show

^ This elaborate statement by Rush ^ reminds me of someone ranting on another thread
how religions cause all the world's problems. And wants to destroy religions blamed on greed.

But what about all the other institutions that profit off greed, why not abolish those also. Why not abolish
cigarette manufacturers if that is all based on greed. Why blame only race or religion for problems.

Excerpt from Rush, linked above, where he points out govt dependence on taxes made off cigarette sales:

RUSH: I don't want anybody to misunderstand me here. There's a lot of nuance here and a lot of ancillary points that I'm focusing on. I'm not saying that Eric Garner was killed for selling cigarettes. He didn't die because he was selling cigarettes, untaxed or otherwise. He died because he resisted arrest and the cops -- I still can't believe the number of them. And you know something else that amazed me? This just an observation.

I know Eric Garner's a big guy, but what amazed me was how small the cops look compared to him. I know he's a big guy, but it took a lot of cops to subdue this guy, apparently. The whole thing here is just -- I don't know -- weird. The grand jury decision is what it is. And legal beagle friends of mine, some of them say that they have no problem with it; others are concerned with it. There's a lot of confusion about this. There's an earlier part of the audio where it is made clear that he will not be arrested. There was no reason for him to continue to resist as he was.

He was being told he wasn't gonna be arrested, yet he continued, Garner continued to resist. So what do you do? Pepper spray, Taser. Given officer training, I don't know what you do at that point. They're telling him he's not gonna be arrested, but he continues to fight 'em and resist and all this, and then he gets descended on by an increasing number of cops. The cops can't walk away. Remember, the cops had been summoned by a minority-owned business complaining this guy was hurting his business.

You had a minority-owned business owner call the cops and say, "Hey, look, I got a guy selling illegal black market cigarettes out in front of my store. You gotta come do something about it." The cops showed up, because it's a focal point for the city and its tax collection efforts. It was more than one local business. A bunch of them were saying that Garner and people like him were hurting their businesses with cheap cigarettes. He was driving business away.

Now, this man, Garner, had been arrested at least 31 times before. He was on parole from a previous charge of selling cigarettes. He should have known the drill, but he kept fighting back. He told the cops, "This ends now." Apparently he'd been fed up with what he thought was police harassment, and he had had enough of it, and he said, "This ends now." I remember what Chuck Barkley said, Charles Barkley said when the cops are trying to arrest you and you fight back, things go wrong, especially if you happen to be obese and have asthma and heart disease and diabetes.

Now, the media has skipped over some details about Garner's arrest. The police were sent to arrest Garner because local minority-owned businesses were complaining he was driving business away and that he was competing with businesses that sold cigarettes by selling illegal, untaxed cigarettes one at a time, loosies, so the cops were called. A second fact that the media is conveniently ignoring is it was a black precinct chief who ordered the police to arrest Garner, and a third fact is the arresting police team was under the supervision of a black female police sergeant.

Now, I don't know why the news media would leave all that information out, but they did. It totally amazes me why none of that information ended up in the media. A lot of people are saying, "See, Rush, see, no matter what you do, no matter what happens, no matter what you tell us, this is a perfect example of out-of-control cops." Well, is it?

 

[TooTall]

New York Cigarette Taxes Killed Eric Garner - The Rush Limbaugh Show

^ This elaborate statement by Rush ^ reminds me of someone ranting on another thread
how religions cause all the world's problems. And wants to destroy religions blamed on greed.

But what about all the other institutions that profit off greed, why not abolish those also. Why not abolish
cigarette manufacturers if that is all based on greed. Why blame only race or religion for problems.

Excerpt from Rush, linked above, where he points out govt dependence on taxes made off cigarette sales:

RUSH: I don't want anybody to misunderstand me here. There's a lot of nuance here and a lot of ancillary points that I'm focusing on. I'm not saying that Eric Garner was killed for selling cigarettes. He didn't die because he was selling cigarettes, untaxed or otherwise. He died because he resisted arrest and the cops -- I still can't believe the number of them. And you know something else that amazed me? This just an observation.

I know Eric Garner's a big guy, but what amazed me was how small the cops look compared to him. I know he's a big guy, but it took a lot of cops to subdue this guy, apparently. The whole thing here is just -- I don't know -- weird. The grand jury decision is what it is. And legal beagle friends of mine, some of them say that they have no problem with it; others are concerned with it. There's a lot of confusion about this. There's an earlier part of the audio where it is made clear that he will not be arrested. There was no reason for him to continue to resist as he was.

He was being told he wasn't gonna be arrested, yet he continued, Garner continued to resist. So what do you do? Pepper spray, Taser. Given officer training, I don't know what you do at that point. They're telling him he's not gonna be arrested, but he continues to fight 'em and resist and all this, and then he gets descended on by an increasing number of cops. The cops can't walk away. Remember, the cops had been summoned by a minority-owned business complaining this guy was hurting his business.

You had a minority-owned business owner call the cops and say, "Hey, look, I got a guy selling illegal black market cigarettes out in front of my store. You gotta come do something about it." The cops showed up, because it's a focal point for the city and its tax collection efforts. It was more than one local business. A bunch of them were saying that Garner and people like him were hurting their businesses with cheap cigarettes. He was driving business away.

Now, this man, Garner, had been arrested at least 31 times before. He was on parole from a previous charge of selling cigarettes. He should have known the drill, but he kept fighting back. He told the cops, "This ends now." Apparently he'd been fed up with what he thought was police harassment, and he had had enough of it, and he said, "This ends now." I remember what Chuck Barkley said, Charles Barkley said when the cops are trying to arrest you and you fight back, things go wrong, especially if you happen to be obese and have asthma and heart disease and diabetes.

Now, the media has skipped over some details about Garner's arrest. The police were sent to arrest Garner because local minority-owned businesses were complaining he was driving business away and that he was competing with businesses that sold cigarettes by selling illegal, untaxed cigarettes one at a time, loosies, so the cops were called. A second fact that the media is conveniently ignoring is it was a black precinct chief who ordered the police to arrest Garner, and a third fact is the arresting police team was under the supervision of a black female police sergeant.

Now, I don't know why the news media would leave all that information out, but they did. It totally amazes me why none of that information ended up in the media. A lot of people are saying, "See, Rush, see, no matter what you do, no matter what happens, no matter what you tell us, this is a perfect example of out-of-control cops." Well, is it?

I don't listen to Rush, but that makes a lot of sense. You won't get a single bedwetter to respond to this post. They can't stand the facts.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

There's no doubt that thanks to liberals pushing for incredibly high tobacco taxes, there is now a black market for cigarettes.
The scenario that ended up costing Garner's life, would have likely never occurred if cigarettes were affordable.

High taxes = creation of black market = law breakers = police response = Garner's death.

 

[Stephanie]

He makes a good point so what you call you it a rant

You can THANK Obama for this too.

SNIP:
Single Largest Cigarette Tax Hike Goes Into Effect Wednesday
Published March 29, 2009
AP

Tobacco taxes are soaring to finance a major expansion of health insurance for children. President Obama signed that health initiative soon after taking office.

ALL of it here:
Single Largest Cigarette Tax Hike Goes Into Effect Wednesday Fox News

 

[whitehall]

Good point ain't it? Police officers pass by marijuana smokers all day long and the D.A. refuses to prosecute so they ignore them but a guy who is selling cigarettes and untaxed cigarettes at that is a prime candidate for the slammers. You can focus on the fact that Garner knew he was committing a crime and refused arrest and had to be restrained but the reason he was targeted by law enforcement was because he was violating NYC tax regulations.

 

[B. Kidd]

De Blasio tried to ban 'Big Gulps' again! Will he instruct the police commissioner to have vice aggressively target that if it ever passes? Nanny state idiots FTW!!!

De Blasio Bloomberg Soda Ban New York City

 

[Katzndogz]

New York Cigarette Taxes Killed Eric Garner - The Rush Limbaugh Show

^ This elaborate statement by Rush ^ reminds me of someone ranting on another thread
how religions cause all the world's problems. And wants to destroy religions blamed on greed.

But what about all the other institutions that profit off greed, why not abolish those also. Why not abolish
cigarette manufacturers if that is all based on greed. Why blame only race or religion for problems.

Excerpt from Rush, linked above, where he points out govt dependence on taxes made off cigarette sales:

RUSH: I don't want anybody to misunderstand me here. There's a lot of nuance here and a lot of ancillary points that I'm focusing on. I'm not saying that Eric Garner was killed for selling cigarettes. He didn't die because he was selling cigarettes, untaxed or otherwise. He died because he resisted arrest and the cops -- I still can't believe the number of them. And you know something else that amazed me? This just an observation.

I know Eric Garner's a big guy, but what amazed me was how small the cops look compared to him. I know he's a big guy, but it took a lot of cops to subdue this guy, apparently. The whole thing here is just -- I don't know -- weird. The grand jury decision is what it is. And legal beagle friends of mine, some of them say that they have no problem with it; others are concerned with it. There's a lot of confusion about this. There's an earlier part of the audio where it is made clear that he will not be arrested. There was no reason for him to continue to resist as he was.

He was being told he wasn't gonna be arrested, yet he continued, Garner continued to resist. So what do you do? Pepper spray, Taser. Given officer training, I don't know what you do at that point. They're telling him he's not gonna be arrested, but he continues to fight 'em and resist and all this, and then he gets descended on by an increasing number of cops. The cops can't walk away. Remember, the cops had been summoned by a minority-owned business complaining this guy was hurting his business.

You had a minority-owned business owner call the cops and say, "Hey, look, I got a guy selling illegal black market cigarettes out in front of my store. You gotta come do something about it." The cops showed up, because it's a focal point for the city and its tax collection efforts. It was more than one local business. A bunch of them were saying that Garner and people like him were hurting their businesses with cheap cigarettes. He was driving business away.

Now, this man, Garner, had been arrested at least 31 times before. He was on parole from a previous charge of selling cigarettes. He should have known the drill, but he kept fighting back. He told the cops, "This ends now." Apparently he'd been fed up with what he thought was police harassment, and he had had enough of it, and he said, "This ends now." I remember what Chuck Barkley said, Charles Barkley said when the cops are trying to arrest you and you fight back, things go wrong, especially if you happen to be obese and have asthma and heart disease and diabetes.

Now, the media has skipped over some details about Garner's arrest. The police were sent to arrest Garner because local minority-owned businesses were complaining he was driving business away and that he was competing with businesses that sold cigarettes by selling illegal, untaxed cigarettes one at a time, loosies, so the cops were called. A second fact that the media is conveniently ignoring is it was a black precinct chief who ordered the police to arrest Garner, and a third fact is the arresting police team was under the supervision of a black female police sergeant.

Now, I don't know why the news media would leave all that information out, but they did. It totally amazes me why none of that information ended up in the media. A lot of people are saying, "See, Rush, see, no matter what you do, no matter what happens, no matter what you tell us, this is a perfect example of out-of-control cops." Well, is it?

After hearing more details it wasn't so much that he was selling illegal cigarettes. He was being very aggressive in selling the cigarettes and using his size to intimidate the customers of those businesses into buying his cigarettes. Garner's loitering in front of these businesses was causing customers to avoid patronizing these places.

 

[TooTall]

Good point ain't it? Police officers pass by marijuana smokers all day long and the D.A. refuses to prosecute so they ignore them but a guy who is selling cigarettes and untaxed cigarettes at that is a prime candidate for the slammers. You can focus on the fact that Garner knew he was committing a crime and refused arrest and had to be restrained but the reason he was targeted by law enforcement was because he was violating NYC tax regulations.

It seems to me he was busted because of this.

"You had a minority-owned business owner call the cops and say, "Hey, look, I got a guy selling illegal black market cigarettes out in front of my store. You gotta come do something about it." The cops showed up, because it's a focal point for the city and its tax collection efforts. It was more than one local business. A bunch of them were saying that Garner and people like him were hurting their businesses with cheap cigarettes. He was driving business away.

Now, this man, Garner, had been arrested at least 31 times before. He was on parole from a previous charge of selling cigarettes."

 

[bodecea]

New York Cigarette Taxes Killed Eric Garner - The Rush Limbaugh Show

^ This elaborate statement by Rush ^ reminds me of someone ranting on another thread
how religions cause all the world's problems. And wants to destroy religions blamed on greed.

But what about all the other institutions that profit off greed, why not abolish those also. Why not abolish
cigarette manufacturers if that is all based on greed. Why blame only race or religion for problems.

Excerpt from Rush, linked above, where he points out govt dependence on taxes made off cigarette sales:

RUSH: I don't want anybody to misunderstand me here. There's a lot of nuance here and a lot of ancillary points that I'm focusing on. I'm not saying that Eric Garner was killed for selling cigarettes. He didn't die because he was selling cigarettes, untaxed or otherwise. He died because he resisted arrest and the cops -- I still can't believe the number of them. And you know something else that amazed me? This just an observation.

I know Eric Garner's a big guy, but what amazed me was how small the cops look compared to him. I know he's a big guy, but it took a lot of cops to subdue this guy, apparently. The whole thing here is just -- I don't know -- weird. The grand jury decision is what it is. And legal beagle friends of mine, some of them say that they have no problem with it; others are concerned with it. There's a lot of confusion about this. There's an earlier part of the audio where it is made clear that he will not be arrested. There was no reason for him to continue to resist as he was.

He was being told he wasn't gonna be arrested, yet he continued, Garner continued to resist. So what do you do? Pepper spray, Taser. Given officer training, I don't know what you do at that point. They're telling him he's not gonna be arrested, but he continues to fight 'em and resist and all this, and then he gets descended on by an increasing number of cops. The cops can't walk away. Remember, the cops had been summoned by a minority-owned business complaining this guy was hurting his business.

You had a minority-owned business owner call the cops and say, "Hey, look, I got a guy selling illegal black market cigarettes out in front of my store. You gotta come do something about it." The cops showed up, because it's a focal point for the city and its tax collection efforts. It was more than one local business. A bunch of them were saying that Garner and people like him were hurting their businesses with cheap cigarettes. He was driving business away.

Now, this man, Garner, had been arrested at least 31 times before. He was on parole from a previous charge of selling cigarettes. He should have known the drill, but he kept fighting back. He told the cops, "This ends now." Apparently he'd been fed up with what he thought was police harassment, and he had had enough of it, and he said, "This ends now." I remember what Chuck Barkley said, Charles Barkley said when the cops are trying to arrest you and you fight back, things go wrong, especially if you happen to be obese and have asthma and heart disease and diabetes.

Now, the media has skipped over some details about Garner's arrest. The police were sent to arrest Garner because local minority-owned businesses were complaining he was driving business away and that he was competing with businesses that sold cigarettes by selling illegal, untaxed cigarettes one at a time, loosies, so the cops were called. A second fact that the media is conveniently ignoring is it was a black precinct chief who ordered the police to arrest Garner, and a third fact is the arresting police team was under the supervision of a black female police sergeant.

Now, I don't know why the news media would leave all that information out, but they did. It totally amazes me why none of that information ended up in the media. A lot of people are saying, "See, Rush, see, no matter what you do, no matter what happens, no matter what you tell us, this is a perfect example of out-of-control cops." Well, is it?

Ok...having read all that, what does it have to do with the excessive use of force by the NYPD that got a guy killed?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

New York Cigarette Taxes Killed Eric Garner - The Rush Limbaugh Show

^ This elaborate statement by Rush ^ reminds me of someone ranting on another thread
how religions cause all the world's problems. And wants to destroy religions blamed on greed.

But what about all the other institutions that profit off greed, why not abolish those also. Why not abolish
cigarette manufacturers if that is all based on greed. Why blame only race or religion for problems.

Excerpt from Rush, linked above, where he points out govt dependence on taxes made off cigarette sales:

RUSH: I don't want anybody to misunderstand me here. There's a lot of nuance here and a lot of ancillary points that I'm focusing on. I'm not saying that Eric Garner was killed for selling cigarettes. He didn't die because he was selling cigarettes, untaxed or otherwise. He died because he resisted arrest and the cops -- I still can't believe the number of them. And you know something else that amazed me? This just an observation.

I know Eric Garner's a big guy, but what amazed me was how small the cops look compared to him. I know he's a big guy, but it took a lot of cops to subdue this guy, apparently. The whole thing here is just -- I don't know -- weird. The grand jury decision is what it is. And legal beagle friends of mine, some of them say that they have no problem with it; others are concerned with it. There's a lot of confusion about this. There's an earlier part of the audio where it is made clear that he will not be arrested. There was no reason for him to continue to resist as he was.

He was being told he wasn't gonna be arrested, yet he continued, Garner continued to resist. So what do you do? Pepper spray, Taser. Given officer training, I don't know what you do at that point. They're telling him he's not gonna be arrested, but he continues to fight 'em and resist and all this, and then he gets descended on by an increasing number of cops. The cops can't walk away. Remember, the cops had been summoned by a minority-owned business complaining this guy was hurting his business.

You had a minority-owned business owner call the cops and say, "Hey, look, I got a guy selling illegal black market cigarettes out in front of my store. You gotta come do something about it." The cops showed up, because it's a focal point for the city and its tax collection efforts. It was more than one local business. A bunch of them were saying that Garner and people like him were hurting their businesses with cheap cigarettes. He was driving business away.

Now, this man, Garner, had been arrested at least 31 times before. He was on parole from a previous charge of selling cigarettes. He should have known the drill, but he kept fighting back. He told the cops, "This ends now." Apparently he'd been fed up with what he thought was police harassment, and he had had enough of it, and he said, "This ends now." I remember what Chuck Barkley said, Charles Barkley said when the cops are trying to arrest you and you fight back, things go wrong, especially if you happen to be obese and have asthma and heart disease and diabetes.

Now, the media has skipped over some details about Garner's arrest. The police were sent to arrest Garner because local minority-owned businesses were complaining he was driving business away and that he was competing with businesses that sold cigarettes by selling illegal, untaxed cigarettes one at a time, loosies, so the cops were called. A second fact that the media is conveniently ignoring is it was a black precinct chief who ordered the police to arrest Garner, and a third fact is the arresting police team was under the supervision of a black female police sergeant.

Now, I don't know why the news media would leave all that information out, but they did. It totally amazes me why none of that information ended up in the media. A lot of people are saying, "See, Rush, see, no matter what you do, no matter what happens, no matter what you tell us, this is a perfect example of out-of-control cops." Well, is it?

Ok...having read all that, what does it have to do with the excessive use of force by the NYPD that got a guy killed?

The fact that the cops probably wouldn't have been there in the first place if the black market didn't exist.

 

[emilynghiem]

New York Cigarette Taxes Killed Eric Garner - The Rush Limbaugh Show

^ This elaborate statement by Rush ^ reminds me of someone ranting on another thread
how religions cause all the world's problems. And wants to destroy religions blamed on greed.

But what about all the other institutions that profit off greed, why not abolish those also. Why not abolish
cigarette manufacturers if that is all based on greed. Why blame only race or religion for problems.

Excerpt from Rush, linked above, where he points out govt dependence on taxes made off cigarette sales:

RUSH: I don't want anybody to misunderstand me here. There's a lot of nuance here and a lot of ancillary points that I'm focusing on. I'm not saying that Eric Garner was killed for selling cigarettes. He didn't die because he was selling cigarettes, untaxed or otherwise. He died because he resisted arrest and the cops -- I still can't believe the number of them. And you know something else that amazed me? This just an observation.

I know Eric Garner's a big guy, but what amazed me was how small the cops look compared to him. I know he's a big guy, but it took a lot of cops to subdue this guy, apparently. The whole thing here is just -- I don't know -- weird. The grand jury decision is what it is. And legal beagle friends of mine, some of them say that they have no problem with it; others are concerned with it. There's a lot of confusion about this. There's an earlier part of the audio where it is made clear that he will not be arrested. There was no reason for him to continue to resist as he was.

He was being told he wasn't gonna be arrested, yet he continued, Garner continued to resist. So what do you do? Pepper spray, Taser. Given officer training, I don't know what you do at that point. They're telling him he's not gonna be arrested, but he continues to fight 'em and resist and all this, and then he gets descended on by an increasing number of cops. The cops can't walk away. Remember, the cops had been summoned by a minority-owned business complaining this guy was hurting his business.

You had a minority-owned business owner call the cops and say, "Hey, look, I got a guy selling illegal black market cigarettes out in front of my store. You gotta come do something about it." The cops showed up, because it's a focal point for the city and its tax collection efforts. It was more than one local business. A bunch of them were saying that Garner and people like him were hurting their businesses with cheap cigarettes. He was driving business away.

Now, this man, Garner, had been arrested at least 31 times before. He was on parole from a previous charge of selling cigarettes. He should have known the drill, but he kept fighting back. He told the cops, "This ends now." Apparently he'd been fed up with what he thought was police harassment, and he had had enough of it, and he said, "This ends now." I remember what Chuck Barkley said, Charles Barkley said when the cops are trying to arrest you and you fight back, things go wrong, especially if you happen to be obese and have asthma and heart disease and diabetes.

Now, the media has skipped over some details about Garner's arrest. The police were sent to arrest Garner because local minority-owned businesses were complaining he was driving business away and that he was competing with businesses that sold cigarettes by selling illegal, untaxed cigarettes one at a time, loosies, so the cops were called. A second fact that the media is conveniently ignoring is it was a black precinct chief who ordered the police to arrest Garner, and a third fact is the arresting police team was under the supervision of a black female police sergeant.

Now, I don't know why the news media would leave all that information out, but they did. It totally amazes me why none of that information ended up in the media. A lot of people are saying, "See, Rush, see, no matter what you do, no matter what happens, no matter what you tell us, this is a perfect example of out-of-control cops." Well, is it?

Ok...having read all that, what does it have to do with the excessive use of force by the NYPD that got a guy killed?

Hi bodecea
Actually I had two points to make at the same time
A. one is how this case has more to it than just race, so it's not either/or, but ALL the above factors contributed
I guess it is too much to expect people to address ALL the paths that went wrong and collided
So it seems one party takes on half the issues, one party takes on the other, to cover it all.
But they feel insulted by focus on the other half of the issues, as if that is demeaning to theirs!

B. the other is closer to what you bring up
in the thread about destroying religions to get rid of the lies and evil in the world,
other things are going wrong. Not just that one thing pointed out as the cause.

So indirectly I am showing how this same pattern repeats:
one person blames race, and other say now wait a minute there were these OTHER factors
one person blames religions, and others say that's not the main cause of the problems
here, it's not just race, it's not just the money off cigarettes, but a combination affecting this case

C. I hope we grow to a better place where we recognize there are multiple factors
and are Okay with different people focusing and specializing in each area to solve it.

That doesn't mean to blame anyone, but can be for the purpose of correction.
And it doesn't mean that one factor is more important than another, because it's actually a combination of many factors.

Thanks, bodecea and I hope to see more threads
where people can discuss issues openly,
and not fear that choosing a focus different from someone else
means blaming one group or factor more than others. These do not need to compete or conflict.

Thanks to everyone for posting added comments here!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Rush Limbaugh: NY Cigarette Taxes killed Eric Garner"

That Limbaugh is an idiot comes as no surprise, his moronic 'premise' fails as a post hoc fallacy, as Garner's death had nothing to do with 'taxes.'

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

New York Cigarette Taxes Killed Eric Garner - The Rush Limbaugh Show

^ This elaborate statement by Rush ^ reminds me of someone ranting on another thread
how religions cause all the world's problems. And wants to destroy religions blamed on greed.

But what about all the other institutions that profit off greed, why not abolish those also. Why not abolish
cigarette manufacturers if that is all based on greed. Why blame only race or religion for problems.

Excerpt from Rush, linked above, where he points out govt dependence on taxes made off cigarette sales:

RUSH: I don't want anybody to misunderstand me here. There's a lot of nuance here and a lot of ancillary points that I'm focusing on. I'm not saying that Eric Garner was killed for selling cigarettes. He didn't die because he was selling cigarettes, untaxed or otherwise. He died because he resisted arrest and the cops -- I still can't believe the number of them. And you know something else that amazed me? This just an observation.

I know Eric Garner's a big guy, but what amazed me was how small the cops look compared to him. I know he's a big guy, but it took a lot of cops to subdue this guy, apparently. The whole thing here is just -- I don't know -- weird. The grand jury decision is what it is. And legal beagle friends of mine, some of them say that they have no problem with it; others are concerned with it. There's a lot of confusion about this. There's an earlier part of the audio where it is made clear that he will not be arrested. There was no reason for him to continue to resist as he was.

He was being told he wasn't gonna be arrested, yet he continued, Garner continued to resist. So what do you do? Pepper spray, Taser. Given officer training, I don't know what you do at that point. They're telling him he's not gonna be arrested, but he continues to fight 'em and resist and all this, and then he gets descended on by an increasing number of cops. The cops can't walk away. Remember, the cops had been summoned by a minority-owned business complaining this guy was hurting his business.

You had a minority-owned business owner call the cops and say, "Hey, look, I got a guy selling illegal black market cigarettes out in front of my store. You gotta come do something about it." The cops showed up, because it's a focal point for the city and its tax collection efforts. It was more than one local business. A bunch of them were saying that Garner and people like him were hurting their businesses with cheap cigarettes. He was driving business away.

Now, this man, Garner, had been arrested at least 31 times before. He was on parole from a previous charge of selling cigarettes. He should have known the drill, but he kept fighting back. He told the cops, "This ends now." Apparently he'd been fed up with what he thought was police harassment, and he had had enough of it, and he said, "This ends now." I remember what Chuck Barkley said, Charles Barkley said when the cops are trying to arrest you and you fight back, things go wrong, especially if you happen to be obese and have asthma and heart disease and diabetes.

Now, the media has skipped over some details about Garner's arrest. The police were sent to arrest Garner because local minority-owned businesses were complaining he was driving business away and that he was competing with businesses that sold cigarettes by selling illegal, untaxed cigarettes one at a time, loosies, so the cops were called. A second fact that the media is conveniently ignoring is it was a black precinct chief who ordered the police to arrest Garner, and a third fact is the arresting police team was under the supervision of a black female police sergeant.

Now, I don't know why the news media would leave all that information out, but they did. It totally amazes me why none of that information ended up in the media. A lot of people are saying, "See, Rush, see, no matter what you do, no matter what happens, no matter what you tell us, this is a perfect example of out-of-control cops." Well, is it?

Ok...having read all that, what does it have to do with the excessive use of force by the NYPD that got a guy killed?

Nothing.

 

[Roadrunner]

New York Cigarette Taxes Killed Eric Garner - The Rush Limbaugh Show

^ This elaborate statement by Rush ^ reminds me of someone ranting on another thread
how religions cause all the world's problems. And wants to destroy religions blamed on greed.

But what about all the other institutions that profit off greed, why not abolish those also. Why not abolish
cigarette manufacturers if that is all based on greed. Why blame only race or religion for problems.

Excerpt from Rush, linked above, where he points out govt dependence on taxes made off cigarette sales:

RUSH: I don't want anybody to misunderstand me here. There's a lot of nuance here and a lot of ancillary points that I'm focusing on. I'm not saying that Eric Garner was killed for selling cigarettes. He didn't die because he was selling cigarettes, untaxed or otherwise. He died because he resisted arrest and the cops -- I still can't believe the number of them. And you know something else that amazed me? This just an observation.

I know Eric Garner's a big guy, but what amazed me was how small the cops look compared to him. I know he's a big guy, but it took a lot of cops to subdue this guy, apparently. The whole thing here is just -- I don't know -- weird. The grand jury decision is what it is. And legal beagle friends of mine, some of them say that they have no problem with it; others are concerned with it. There's a lot of confusion about this. There's an earlier part of the audio where it is made clear that he will not be arrested. There was no reason for him to continue to resist as he was.

He was being told he wasn't gonna be arrested, yet he continued, Garner continued to resist. So what do you do? Pepper spray, Taser. Given officer training, I don't know what you do at that point. They're telling him he's not gonna be arrested, but he continues to fight 'em and resist and all this, and then he gets descended on by an increasing number of cops. The cops can't walk away. Remember, the cops had been summoned by a minority-owned business complaining this guy was hurting his business.

You had a minority-owned business owner call the cops and say, "Hey, look, I got a guy selling illegal black market cigarettes out in front of my store. You gotta come do something about it." The cops showed up, because it's a focal point for the city and its tax collection efforts. It was more than one local business. A bunch of them were saying that Garner and people like him were hurting their businesses with cheap cigarettes. He was driving business away.

Now, this man, Garner, had been arrested at least 31 times before. He was on parole from a previous charge of selling cigarettes. He should have known the drill, but he kept fighting back. He told the cops, "This ends now." Apparently he'd been fed up with what he thought was police harassment, and he had had enough of it, and he said, "This ends now." I remember what Chuck Barkley said, Charles Barkley said when the cops are trying to arrest you and you fight back, things go wrong, especially if you happen to be obese and have asthma and heart disease and diabetes.

Now, the media has skipped over some details about Garner's arrest. The police were sent to arrest Garner because local minority-owned businesses were complaining he was driving business away and that he was competing with businesses that sold cigarettes by selling illegal, untaxed cigarettes one at a time, loosies, so the cops were called. A second fact that the media is conveniently ignoring is it was a black precinct chief who ordered the police to arrest Garner, and a third fact is the arresting police team was under the supervision of a black female police sergeant.

Now, I don't know why the news media would leave all that information out, but they did. It totally amazes me why none of that information ended up in the media. A lot of people are saying, "See, Rush, see, no matter what you do, no matter what happens, no matter what you tell us, this is a perfect example of out-of-control cops." Well, is it?

I pointed this out yesterday.

Fucker hacks my computer for his goddamned ideas.

 

[August West]

How many crimes CAN`T we blame on high taxes? Getting your talking points from a drug addled talk show host is never a good idea.

 

[Roadrunner]

New York Cigarette Taxes Killed Eric Garner - The Rush Limbaugh Show

^ This elaborate statement by Rush ^ reminds me of someone ranting on another thread
how religions cause all the world's problems. And wants to destroy religions blamed on greed.

But what about all the other institutions that profit off greed, why not abolish those also. Why not abolish
cigarette manufacturers if that is all based on greed. Why blame only race or religion for problems.

Excerpt from Rush, linked above, where he points out govt dependence on taxes made off cigarette sales:

RUSH: I don't want anybody to misunderstand me here. There's a lot of nuance here and a lot of ancillary points that I'm focusing on. I'm not saying that Eric Garner was killed for selling cigarettes. He didn't die because he was selling cigarettes, untaxed or otherwise. He died because he resisted arrest and the cops -- I still can't believe the number of them. And you know something else that amazed me? This just an observation.

I know Eric Garner's a big guy, but what amazed me was how small the cops look compared to him. I know he's a big guy, but it took a lot of cops to subdue this guy, apparently. The whole thing here is just -- I don't know -- weird. The grand jury decision is what it is. And legal beagle friends of mine, some of them say that they have no problem with it; others are concerned with it. There's a lot of confusion about this. There's an earlier part of the audio where it is made clear that he will not be arrested. There was no reason for him to continue to resist as he was.

He was being told he wasn't gonna be arrested, yet he continued, Garner continued to resist. So what do you do? Pepper spray, Taser. Given officer training, I don't know what you do at that point. They're telling him he's not gonna be arrested, but he continues to fight 'em and resist and all this, and then he gets descended on by an increasing number of cops. The cops can't walk away. Remember, the cops had been summoned by a minority-owned business complaining this guy was hurting his business.

You had a minority-owned business owner call the cops and say, "Hey, look, I got a guy selling illegal black market cigarettes out in front of my store. You gotta come do something about it." The cops showed up, because it's a focal point for the city and its tax collection efforts. It was more than one local business. A bunch of them were saying that Garner and people like him were hurting their businesses with cheap cigarettes. He was driving business away.

Now, this man, Garner, had been arrested at least 31 times before. He was on parole from a previous charge of selling cigarettes. He should have known the drill, but he kept fighting back. He told the cops, "This ends now." Apparently he'd been fed up with what he thought was police harassment, and he had had enough of it, and he said, "This ends now." I remember what Chuck Barkley said, Charles Barkley said when the cops are trying to arrest you and you fight back, things go wrong, especially if you happen to be obese and have asthma and heart disease and diabetes.

Now, the media has skipped over some details about Garner's arrest. The police were sent to arrest Garner because local minority-owned businesses were complaining he was driving business away and that he was competing with businesses that sold cigarettes by selling illegal, untaxed cigarettes one at a time, loosies, so the cops were called. A second fact that the media is conveniently ignoring is it was a black precinct chief who ordered the police to arrest Garner, and a third fact is the arresting police team was under the supervision of a black female police sergeant.

Now, I don't know why the news media would leave all that information out, but they did. It totally amazes me why none of that information ended up in the media. A lot of people are saying, "See, Rush, see, no matter what you do, no matter what happens, no matter what you tell us, this is a perfect example of out-of-control cops." Well, is it?

I don't listen to Rush, but that makes a lot of sense. You won't get a single bedwetter to respond to this post. They can't stand the facts.

Rush listens to me; I haven't figured out how yet, but the fucker should pay me.

 

[emilynghiem]

New York Cigarette Taxes Killed Eric Garner - The Rush Limbaugh Show

^ This elaborate statement by Rush ^ reminds me of someone ranting on another thread
how religions cause all the world's problems. And wants to destroy religions blamed on greed.

But what about all the other institutions that profit off greed, why not abolish those also. Why not abolish
cigarette manufacturers if that is all based on greed. Why blame only race or religion for problems.

Excerpt from Rush, linked above, where he points out govt dependence on taxes made off cigarette sales:

RUSH: I don't want anybody to misunderstand me here. There's a lot of nuance here and a lot of ancillary points that I'm focusing on. I'm not saying that Eric Garner was killed for selling cigarettes. He didn't die because he was selling cigarettes, untaxed or otherwise. He died because he resisted arrest and the cops -- I still can't believe the number of them. And you know something else that amazed me? This just an observation.

I know Eric Garner's a big guy, but what amazed me was how small the cops look compared to him. I know he's a big guy, but it took a lot of cops to subdue this guy, apparently. The whole thing here is just -- I don't know -- weird. The grand jury decision is what it is. And legal beagle friends of mine, some of them say that they have no problem with it; others are concerned with it. There's a lot of confusion about this. There's an earlier part of the audio where it is made clear that he will not be arrested. There was no reason for him to continue to resist as he was.

He was being told he wasn't gonna be arrested, yet he continued, Garner continued to resist. So what do you do? Pepper spray, Taser. Given officer training, I don't know what you do at that point. They're telling him he's not gonna be arrested, but he continues to fight 'em and resist and all this, and then he gets descended on by an increasing number of cops. The cops can't walk away. Remember, the cops had been summoned by a minority-owned business complaining this guy was hurting his business.

You had a minority-owned business owner call the cops and say, "Hey, look, I got a guy selling illegal black market cigarettes out in front of my store. You gotta come do something about it." The cops showed up, because it's a focal point for the city and its tax collection efforts. It was more than one local business. A bunch of them were saying that Garner and people like him were hurting their businesses with cheap cigarettes. He was driving business away.

Now, this man, Garner, had been arrested at least 31 times before. He was on parole from a previous charge of selling cigarettes. He should have known the drill, but he kept fighting back. He told the cops, "This ends now." Apparently he'd been fed up with what he thought was police harassment, and he had had enough of it, and he said, "This ends now." I remember what Chuck Barkley said, Charles Barkley said when the cops are trying to arrest you and you fight back, things go wrong, especially if you happen to be obese and have asthma and heart disease and diabetes.

Now, the media has skipped over some details about Garner's arrest. The police were sent to arrest Garner because local minority-owned businesses were complaining he was driving business away and that he was competing with businesses that sold cigarettes by selling illegal, untaxed cigarettes one at a time, loosies, so the cops were called. A second fact that the media is conveniently ignoring is it was a black precinct chief who ordered the police to arrest Garner, and a third fact is the arresting police team was under the supervision of a black female police sergeant.

Now, I don't know why the news media would leave all that information out, but they did. It totally amazes me why none of that information ended up in the media. A lot of people are saying, "See, Rush, see, no matter what you do, no matter what happens, no matter what you tell us, this is a perfect example of out-of-control cops." Well, is it?

I don't listen to Rush, but that makes a lot of sense. You won't get a single bedwetter to respond to this post. They can't stand the facts.

Rush listens to me; I haven't figured out how yet, but the fucker should pay me.

Maybe you should tax him, and then you can both blame everything on taxes!

 

[TooTall]

Good point ain't it? Police officers pass by marijuana smokers all day long and the D.A. refuses to prosecute so they ignore them but a guy who is selling cigarettes and untaxed cigarettes at that is a prime candidate for the slammers. You can focus on the fact that Garner knew he was committing a crime and refused arrest and had to be restrained but the reason he was targeted by law enforcement was because he was violating NYC tax regulations.

Arrests for openly smoking pot in NYC were 51,267 in 2000 and are projected to be 28,000 this year.

 

[reason10]

There's no doubt that thanks to liberals pushing for incredibly high tobacco taxes, there is now a black market for cigarettes.
The scenario that ended up costing Garner's life, would have likely never occurred if cigarettes were affordable.

High taxes = creation of black market = law breakers = police response = Garner's death.

Garner's obesity and his resisting arrest cost him his life.

 

[emilynghiem]

There's no doubt that thanks to liberals pushing for incredibly high tobacco taxes, there is now a black market for cigarettes.
The scenario that ended up costing Garner's life, would have likely never occurred if cigarettes were affordable.

High taxes = creation of black market = law breakers = police response = Garner's death.

Garner's obesity and his resisting arrest cost him his life.

I really blame the resistance part: there needs to be an AGREED procedure between police and all residents, so people KNOW who is and who isn't complying. Resolve issues in advance! This would protect both sides. It would force communities to get on the same page, and either build trusting good working relations or "weed out" both the police or the citizens that are causing the conflicts. Let communities hire the police they can work with. Whatever was going on with the cigarettes should be worked out WELL in advance to stop the conflicts and confrontations in the first place. Why wait until someone gets arrested, shot or dies? Now that people's deaths are getting into the news, maybe more communities will take this issue seriously, more will have meetings with police and residents, and hash out the policies and procedures in advance, so everyone knows what to expect and AGREES. We've never had full AGREEMENT before, so this "resisting arrest" could be avoided.

I'm glad ALL issues are coming out. It isn't going to be solved by saying it's only ONE factor that caused it. ALL factors need to be resolved anyway, to stop this and related issues from recurring.

There is no one-size-fits-all solution. You can't just blame race or crime and be done. Instead of taking shortcuts, each community can use this heightened awareness to address their unique issues they are having that are different from other cases. Quit trying to make them all the same.