Roosevelt's Great Depression

[Dot Com]

FDR: Worst economy ever, worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years

Prolly 'cause the Teapublicans never allowed a vote on the Presidents legislation addressing that eh Frank1400PennAve CrusaderFrank

***edit- Silly me, I was thinking of "today's GObP"
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[CrusaderFrank]

Perhaps Lincoln's presidency has been studied more, but by this time, FDR's period has been researched to death by both liberals and conservatives, enough times to draw some conclusions about that epic in American history. There were no manuals on curing depressions at that time, (is there today?) and as FDR said we would try things, and he did. Not all were successful, and today an author can take those failures, make a book, and make conservatives feel better. Still for conservatives, FDR has got to be hard to take, I mean all historians rate him at least third best president; those that lived through that period elected him four times and would probably be electing him still today, even Reagan voted for him. That's gotta hurt conservatives.

Sorry, were you not aware of the 1920-21 Depression?

Harding and Coolidge ended it in 18 months, not 7 years and they didn't need Hitler to start WWII end it either

Frank, the recession of 1920-21 and the Great Depression were as different as night and day.
The Great Depression was worldwide, the recession of 1920-21 wasn't.
Because the 20-21 recession wasn't world wide, demand of American made goods by those countries not in a recession basically saved the US's ass.
Also, during the 20-21 recession, consumption levels remained fairly level but things were greatly different regarding the Great Depression. The same goes for investment levels. (See graphs)
Comparing the recession of 20-21 to the Great Depression is like comparing the recession of 2001 and the Great Recession of 2007. In neither care are they comparable, it's not even close.
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I don't think you could be wronger if you asked FranCoWtf to answer for you

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR: Worst economy ever, worse than the 7 Biblical Lean Years

Prolly 'cause the Teapublicans never allowed a vote on the Presidents legislation addressing that eh Frank1400PennAve CrusaderFrank

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Republicans were a Congressional rounding error during the FDR Jihad on the Constitution and US Economy

 

[Dot Com]

The rw hate force is strong in this PoliSpice thread. 'twas ever thus

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[rightwinger]

Personally, I think Republicans intentially created the Depression

Their inept management during Harding, Coolidge and Hoover created an economic disaster that FDR had to rescue us from

 

[Dot Com]

Personally, I think Republicans intentially created the Depression

Their inept management during Harding, Coolidge and Hoover created an economic disaster that FDR had to rescue us from

^ that CrusaderFrank. You KNOW rightwinger is right!!!

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[Camp]

8. While the United States had a spirituality, a certain religious element, in its founding.....Roosevelt lacked same. This accounts for willingness to accept atheistic, materialist Marxism with barely a shrug.
And, as with Marxist, he never understood the catastrophic results that came with the increases of unemployment during his regime.

a. The suicide rate remained high throughout Roosevelt's tenure. And deaths due to accidental fall, reckless driving and being hit by a train all hit record numbers of deaths per capita during the New Deal years.
"Down and Out in the Great Depression: Letters from the Forgotten Man," by Robert S. McElvaine, p.103-104



b. "Mass unemployment can be a frightening spectacle. When a working-age person has meaningful daily tasks—making a cappuccino, laying bricks, creating spreadsheets—his mind is active and occupied. He also has income, which means food on the table, a roof overhead, clothed children and a hopeful future. The employed mind tends to be happier, more stable, more content, more confident.

Take away employment, and two things begin to happen psychologically: First, as his bills mount and his stomach aches, the unemployed person becomes stressed and frustrated. As the situation persists, the anxiety evolves into desperation, hopelessness, even despair. Second, disenfranchised by his deteriorating circumstances—the loss of the family home, his decline in status, marital tension—the unemployed person can become emotionally and mentally vulnerable.

.... unemployment stops being merely an unfortunate economic issue and becomes an alarming social and political crisis that can lead to major..."
An Army Waiting for a Leader - theTrumpet.com

Welfare is no substitute for gainful employment.

c. "Man living on benefits killed wife of 32 years after being overcome by 'hopelessness'
An unemployed man stabbed to death his wife of 32 years because he felt their life on benefits was meaningless and they had nothing to do other than watch television.
He said: "They both felt their lives had no worth. He says that the difference between a bad day and a good day was if there was something on television they were both interested in, usually sport."
Man living on benefits killed wife of 32 years after being overcome by hopelessness - Telegraph

Well that's why FDR had work programs, work programs that improved America at the same time as providing jobs. Those work programs produced a thousand miles of airport runways, 651,000 miles of highways, 124,000 bridges, 18,000 playgrounds, 125,000 public buildings, 41,000 schools, and on and on.

All those projects were done by the unemployed. The figures used by PC for employment during the FDR years in the 30's does not recognize those workers as being employed because they got government generated pay checks. Even though they were working for their pay checks, they were considered to be on a type of welfare, hence, unemployed. If they are counted as employed, the unemployment rate during FDR depression years fall below 10%.

 

[rightwinger]

The Great Depression was an attempt by Republicans to destroy the American workforce and create a permanent class of slave labor

They almost succeeded.......thank god FDR came in and stopped them

When it was all over, FDR turned America into an economic superpower

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Republican deregulation and hands off economic policies gave us the Great Depression

We didn't elect another Republican for 20 years

George Bushs deregulation and hands off economic policies gave us the Great Bush Recession

It will be over 20 years before we elect another Republican

Fannie and Freddie were "Deregulated"?

Really?

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans Harding, Coolidge and Hoover conspired with capitalists to drive labor into poverty and create a permanent slave labor workforce willing to work for pennies

They created a Dust Bowl to destroy the farmers in the Midwest and force them from their homes

 

[PoliticalChic]

Personally, I think Republicans intentially created the Depression

Their inept management during Harding, Coolidge and Hoover created an economic disaster that FDR had to rescue us from

Life is so very simple for you Liberal automatons....you not only don't have to have an education, but you never have to wonder about inconsistencies in the propaganda that you accept.
Your masters tell you something...anything....and you just go " er...yup...yup....that's it."

Roosevelt's historians say the most absurd things....and it's your doctrine.

1. Those historians, in fact, have the highest regard for Roosevelt. Reggie tells me so every day....

Commager, Morris, Leuchtenburg....and the best known such historian, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr....all praise FDR.

Why? Well, most often the basis offered is what the first two have written: "The character of the Republican ascendancy of the twenties has be pervasively negative; the character of the New Deal was overwhelmingly positive." Guess Who by Thomas Sowell on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent

Just what Leftwinger was saying, right?



a. That view must mean that the 1920s were an economic disaster, that led to the Great Depression, and the Roosevelt policies and foresight provided the programs, tools, which mitigated, relieved, reformed the economy, leading to economic recovery.

Is there any other way to understand that quote???



The "Roaring Twenties"...an economic disaster?

"The Roaring Twenties is a phrase used to refer to the 1920s in the United States,Canada, and the United Kingdom, characterizing the decade's distinctive cultural edge in New York City,Chicago, Berlin,London, Los Angeles, and many other major cities during a period of sustained economic prosperity"
Roaring Twenties - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Again? "...a period of sustained economic prosperity"


So....what to make of the works of Roosevelt's historians?

An outright, bald-faced lie.
And you bought it like it was on sale.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"This thread is not about Hoover, you dunce. Cut to the chase: did FDR's economic policies shorten the depression?"

You have to compare it with Hoover's inadequacy to get an in-context answer.

No one doesn't. One simply must be fearlessly honest. That leaves you out.

Your fearless honesty (I am trying to not laugh as I type that) does not equate to in-context analysis.

PC, Hoover was a failure in reform, relief, and regulation.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Great Depression was an attempt by Republicans to destroy the American workforce and create a permanent class of slave labor

They almost succeeded.......thank god FDR came in and stopped them

When it was all over, FDR turned America into an economic superpower

^ Stockholm Syndrome

 

[rightwinger]

Personally, I think Republicans intentially created the Depression

Their inept management during Harding, Coolidge and Hoover created an economic disaster that FDR had to rescue us from

Life is so very simple for you Liberal automatons....you not only don't have to have an education, but you never have to wonder about inconsistencies in the propaganda that you accept.
Your masters tell you something...anything....and you just go " er...yup...yup....that's it."

Roosevelt's historians say the most absurd things....and it's your doctrine.

1. Those historians, in fact, have the highest regard for Roosevelt. Reggie tells me so every day....

Commager, Morris, Leuchtenburg....and the best known such historian, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr....all praise FDR.

Why? Well, most often the basis offered is what the first two have written: "The character of the Republican ascendancy of the twenties has be pervasively negative; the character of the New Deal was overwhelmingly positive." Guess Who by Thomas Sowell on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent

Just what Leftwinger was saying, right?



a. That view must mean that the 1920s were an economic disaster, that led to the Great Depression, and the Roosevelt policies and foresight provided the programs, tools, which mitigated, relieved, reformed the economy, leading to economic recovery.

Is there any other way to understand that quote???



The "Roaring Twenties"...an economic disaster?

"The Roaring Twenties is a phrase used to refer to the 1920s in the United States,Canada, and the United Kingdom, characterizing the decade's distinctive cultural edge in New York City,Chicago, Berlin,London, Los Angeles, and many other major cities during a period of sustained economic prosperity"
Roaring Twenties - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Again? "...a period of sustained economic prosperity"


So....what to make of the works of Roosevelt's historians?

An outright, bald-faced lie.
And you bought it like it was on sale.

Republicans conspired with the Capitalists of the day to give them what they had always wanted, a workforce willing to work for pennies

Today's Republicans have the same playbook

 

[JakeStarkey]

Harding and Coolidge ended it in 18 months, not 7 years and they didn't need Hitler to start WWII end it either

Pent up economic demand, unleashed savings, and the re-integration of service personnel and industry eliminated the problem.

Apples and Oranges, Frank.

 

[JakeStarkey]

FDR was "Great" because:

1. Marxist history professors told me so
2. I reviewed the record and find 7 year Depression to be awesome. What can I say, I have low standards for greatness

Nope, you fail to understand history and economics, much like PC.

Your confirmation bias puts you into cognitive dissonance before you open any work on the material.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"This thread is not about Hoover, you dunce. Cut to the chase: did FDR's economic policies shorten the depression?"

You have to compare it with Hoover's inadequacy to get an in-context answer.

No one doesn't.

One simply must be fearlessly honest.

That leaves you out.

Being as biased as yourself, isn't being objective at all and is that really honest?

As joke goes, 'racist' is a conservative winning the argument.

It seems you have a similar way of defining 'biased.'

Are you claiming to be unbiased?

I'm indicating that the term has no bearing in the discussion, as I provide links, quotes and documentation. Get it, dope?

Yes, she admits she is suffering from confirmation bias.

 

[JakeStarkey]

FDR's "results fell behind that of nations not ruled by the "great" FDR."

Yup, her heroes of Germany re-armed and drove the economy up, but it required going to war in order to not collapse.

 

[JakeStarkey]

It is good to realize that PC's nonsense is used as cannon fodder in the great, great majority of public and private schools and universities.

She merely writes for almost nothing for a goof ball audience on the far right.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Republicans Harding, Coolidge and Hoover conspired with capitalists to drive labor into poverty and create a permanent slave labor workforce willing to work for pennies

They created a Dust Bowl to destroy the farmers in the Midwest and force them from their homes

Can you really be this dumb????
I mean...really?

Assuming that you actually believe that, watch me show what a liar both you and Roosevelt are.

1. Here is that view from demagogue Roosevelt, himself:
"Now it is worth remembering, and the cold figures of finance prove it, that during that time there was little or no drop in the prices that the consumer had to pay, although those same figures proved that the cost of production fell very greatly; corporate profit resulting from this period was enormous; at the same time little of that profit was devoted to the reduction of prices. The consumer was forgotten. Very little of it went into increased wages; the worker was forgotten, and by no means an adequate proportion was even paid out in dividends--the stockholder was forgotten."
Roosevelt's Nomination Address, Chicago, Ill., July 2, 1932

This is Franklin Roosevelt presenting the 'underconsumption thesis' : "... corporate profit resulting from this period was enormous; at the same time little of that profit was devoted to the reduction of prices. The consumer was forgotten. Very little of it went into increased wages;..."


Every one of those statements was a lie.

2. In order for the FDR's 'underconsumption thesis' to be true, these criteria must be met:
a. During the 1920s the rich had to be getting a significantly larger proportion of the national income. "... corporate profit resulting from this period was enormous..."

b. Employees must have been receiving a smaller share of corporate income. "... Very little of it went into increased wages; the worker was forgotten,..."

c. Consumers must have been consuming less of the GNP in the late '20s than in 1920. "... there was little or no drop in the prices that the consumer had to pay... The consumer was forgotten....."

True or false?



3. Time to slice and dice the Liberal propaganda.

a. In 1921, the top 5% earned 25.47% of the nation's income...in 1929, the top 5%'s share skyrocketed all the way up to ......26.09%!!!!

b. Corporate profits? They averaged 8.2% from 1900 to 1920. But what about from 1920 to 1929??? They remained at 8.2%.
For those in Rio Linda, that means that there was no upsurge in said profits during the decade.

c. But what about employee wages during the decade of the '20s?? They rose...from 55% to 60% of corporate income.

d. Wait...what about the percentage of GNP that went to consumption? Bet it fell, huh? Wrong.
It rose from 68% in 1920 to 75% in 1927, 1928, and 1929.
"Coolidge and the Historians," by Thomas B. Silver, p.124-136, and Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal," p.34-35



So....while you Leftists fail 'reality 101,' you pass 'indoctrination 101' with flying colors!
You will be awarded your"Reliable Democrat Voter"pin.
Wear it with pride!