Roosevelt, Stalin and The Elusive "Second Front"

[JakeStarkey]

PC has had her arguments booted cleanly and squarely out of the field.

PC, if you are going to do simple comparisons, then you have to offer the comparisons that do not support your OP.

To only straight liar here is you.

Objective scholar you have yet to become.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm responsible because you didn't do your homework?
Not.
Post #183

That was Mussolini's take on Roosevelt, NOT Roosevelt's take on Mussolini. You've got to do better to fool me.

WHEN will you learn to never....NEVER.....doubt me?


1. It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution." p.63


2. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."

The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. p.47

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.

b. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington
until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48


BTW....Did you know that Tugwell, Johnson, and Perkins were all Franklin Roosevelt hirees.


Richard Hofstadter noted that critics from the left believed, "that the NRA was a clear imitation of Mussolini's corporate state."
Richard Hofstadter, "The Age of Reform: From Bryan to F.D.R.," . p. 327.

 

[Camp]

Where does Franklin Roosevelt come in? " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."

Perhaps you should do some actual research instead of simply parroting those that share your bias. Roosevelt warned against fascism before WW II even started.

The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.
Message to Congress on Curbing Monopolies- April 29, 1938

Franklin D. Roosevelt Message to Congress on Curbing Monopolies.

Really, you dunce?

When will you learn that reality, truth, is not based on words, it is defined by actions.

Roosevelt was of one mind with Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin when it came to economic policy and actions that resulted from same.

But Stalin was his first love.
Thus..."Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."


When you come right down to it, the megalomaniac Roosevelt was of the same totalitarian mind as those named above.

We caught you in a lie, PC. You can't post any of the Professor's evidence that supports your OP, can you?

Have you read the book? The answer is clearly no.

Your affirmation, kid, meet it.

Read it or not, she distorts it and insults Shivelbusch with her distortion of his thesis.

"To compare" Shivelbusch stesses, "is not the same as to equate. America during Roosevelt's New Deal did not become a one party state; it had no secret police; the constitution remained in force, and there were no concentration camps; the New Deal preserved the institutions of the liberal-democrat system that National Socialism abolished." Shivelbusch Three New Deals Reason Magazine Oct 2007

We run in circles. When a PC quote is refuted she simple ignores it and waits a little while and brings up her out of context quote again when she needs to stick her finger in a hole in the dyke. She continues to use Shivelbusch even after a Shivelbusch quote is shown to show her distortion and misrepresentation, How hard is it to comprehend "To compare is not the same as to equate"

Didn't I just reveal you to be a congenital liar???

No, and now you have become so pathetic that you make your debate opponents feel like bullies.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Where does Franklin Roosevelt come in? " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."

Perhaps you should do some actual research instead of simply parroting those that share your bias. Roosevelt warned against fascism before WW II even started.

The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.
Message to Congress on Curbing Monopolies- April 29, 1938

Franklin D. Roosevelt Message to Congress on Curbing Monopolies.

Really, you dunce?

When will you learn that reality, truth, is not based on words, it is defined by actions.

Roosevelt was of one mind with Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin when it came to economic policy and actions that resulted from same.

But Stalin was his first love.
Thus..."Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."


When you come right down to it, the megalomaniac Roosevelt was of the same totalitarian mind as those named above.

We caught you in a lie, PC. You can't post any of the Professor's evidence that supports your OP, can you?

Have you read the book? The answer is clearly no.

Your affirmation, kid, meet it.

Read it or not, she distorts it and insults Shivelbusch with her distortion of his thesis.

"To compare" Shivelbusch stesses, "is not the same as to equate. America during Roosevelt's New Deal did not become a one party state; it had no secret police; the constitution remained in force, and there were no concentration camps; the New Deal preserved the institutions of the liberal-democrat system that National Socialism abolished." Shivelbusch Three New Deals Reason Magazine Oct 2007

We run in circles. When a PC quote is refuted she simple ignores it and waits a little while and brings up her out of context quote again when she needs to stick her finger in a hole in the dyke. She continues to use Shivelbusch even after a Shivelbusch quote is shown to show her distortion and misrepresentation, How hard is it to comprehend "To compare is not the same as to equate"

Didn't I just reveal you to be a congenital liar???

No, and now you have become so pathetic that you make your debate opponents feel like bullies.

What???

The congenital liar lying???

Shocker.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists." Tugwell gave only an opinion, one that does not comport with FDR's administrations.

Mussolini copied the NRA not the other way.

Any use of Manly gives away that the OP is neither balanced or objective.

PC, did you know you got it wrong again?

 

[PoliticalChic]

"It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists." Tugwell gave only an opinion, one that does not comport with FDR's administrations.

Mussolini copied the NRA not the other way.

Any use of Manly gives away that the OP is neither balanced or objective.

PC, did you know you got it wrong again?

You lying imbecile.....wrong again.

"In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation."
Schivelbusch




Get lost, dirt-bag

 

[JakeStarkey]

"It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists." Tugwell gave only an opinion, one that does not comport with FDR's administrations.

Mussolini copied the NRA not the other way.

Any use of Manly gives away that the OP is neither balanced or objective.

PC, did you know you got it wrong again?

You lying imbecile.....wrong again. "In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation." Schivelbusch Get lost, dirt-bag

Your sweeping allegations misuse the Professor's work yet again.

Prove that Italy did not copy the NRA. You can't.

PC your FDR material will be placed, I bet, in the Conspiracy Forum from now on.

 

[Ravi]

Test

 

[NYcarbineer]

FDR, SOTU, 1939:

"Dictatorship, however, involves costs which the American people will never pay: The cost of our spiritual values."

 

[JakeStarkey]

"It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists." Tugwell gave only an opinion, one that does not comport with FDR's administrations.

Mussolini copied the NRA not the other way.

Any use of Manly gives away that the OP is neither balanced or objective.

PC, did you know you got it wrong again?

You lying imbecile.....wrong again. "In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation." Schivelbusch Get lost, dirt-bag

Your sweeping allegations misuse the Professor's work yet again.

Prove that Italy did not copy the NRA. You can't.

PC your FDR material will be placed, I bet, in the Conspiracy Forum from now on.

Bump ^ PC got ran out of her own thread.

 

[NYcarbineer]

a. Where does Franklin Roosevelt come in? " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 48
.

Franklin D. Roosevelt Annual Message to Congress on the State of the Union

FDR's SOTU 1/41, well before the Nazis invaded the USSR. The threat of Hitler to the US is made very clear.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR, SOTU, 1939:

"Dictatorship, however, involves costs which the American people will never pay: The cost of our spiritual values."

September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there was freedom of religion in the USSR. "The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step in a massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow,"byDennis J. Dunn, p. 137

 

[NYcarbineer]

FDR, SOTU, 1939:

"Dictatorship, however, involves costs which the American people will never pay: The cost of our spiritual values."

September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there was freedom of religion in the USSR. "The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step in a massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow,"byDennis J. Dunn, p. 137

That in no way refutes what I've posted. FDR clearly spoke out against the threat of Hitler BEFORE the Nazis went to war against the Soviets...

...you claimed the opposite; you are ignorant of history, among your many talents in the genre of ignorance.

 

[NYcarbineer]

FDR, SOTU, 1939:

"Dictatorship, however, involves costs which the American people will never pay: The cost of our spiritual values."

September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there was freedom of religion in the USSR. "The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step in a massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow,"byDennis J. Dunn, p. 137

Winston Churchill considered it a great failure that Great Britain did not form an alliance with the Soviets in the 30's. Instead they allied with Poland, and let Hitler reach an accord with the Soviets.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR, SOTU, 1939:

"Dictatorship, however, involves costs which the American people will never pay: The cost of our spiritual values."

September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there was freedom of religion in the USSR. "The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step in a massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow,"byDennis J. Dunn, p. 137

That in no way refutes what I've posted. FDR clearly spoke out against the threat of Hitler BEFORE the Nazis went to war against the Soviets...

...you claimed the opposite; you are ignorant of history, among your many talents in the genre of ignorance.

You, being a known liar, quoted a liar.

I've revealed the truth about both of you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC has revealed the truth that she is more than willing "to lie for the Lord" with her false OP's and failed evidence.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC has revealed the truth that she is more than willing "to lie for the Lord" with her false OP's and failed evidence.

I've blistered you again,huh?

Great.


Now....back under your rock.

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC has revealed the truth that she is more than willing "to lie for the Lord" with her false OP's and failed evidence.

I've blistered you again,huh? Great. Now....back under your rock.

You express paranoia and delusion typical of most social cons.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Freedom of Religion and FDR re: the USSR

read Roosevelt-Litvinov Clearly from 1933 on FDR insisted the Americans overseas in the USSR would maintain their right to freedom and worship of religion.

The exchange clearly expresses that FDR knew the communists did not have the same freedoms as Americans, as well as demonstrating that PC and the far right reactionary revisionists are failing in new OP.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Freedom of Religion and FDR re: the USSR

read Roosevelt-Litvinov Clearly from 1933 on FDR insisted the Americans overseas in the USSR would maintain their right to freedom and worship of religion.

The exchange clearly expresses that FDR knew the communists did not have the same freedoms as Americans, as well as demonstrating that PC and the far right reactionary revisionists are failing in new OP.

Reactionary Democrats can never say a bad word against Uncle Joe Stalin