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FDR was anti-American
Roosevelt, Stalin and The Elusive "Second Front"
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FDR was anti-American
Fascist and corporatist hate FDR. He proved beyond any doubt that New Deal policies could and did work. His policies end up being the most anti corporatist and anti fascist implemented in the 20th Century. Hate FDR or love him, his impact has had positive effects on the American way of life and his policies continue to be mimicked and to influence policies though every administration since his death as a sitting President in his fourth term in office. The impact of other Presidents pale in comparison to the impacts and legacy of FDR.
what I have noticed about her trolling in her obsession over FDR which is really scary,is how she always blatantly ignores how the republicans are as corrupt as well NEVER mentioning the pic I have posted a few times in the past of Eisenhower standing next to stalin while he has his soliders murder children. has she EVER once talked about any other president here before other than FDR? I sure as hell cant remember it if she ever did.
Despite what brainwashed idiots like Crazy Frank say, FDR is generally viewed favorably by Americans, beloved by many, voted by historians to be one of the best Presidents in history, sharing a spot alongside Washington and Lincoln.
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Fascist and corporatist hate FDR. He proved beyond any doubt that New Deal policies could and did work. His policies end up being the most anti corporatist and anti fascist implemented in the 20th Century. Hate FDR or love him, his impact has had positive effects on the American way of life and his policies continue to be mimicked and to influence policies though every administration since his death as a sitting President in his fourth term in office. The impact of other Presidents pale in comparison to the impacts and legacy of FDR.
what I have noticed about her trolling in her obsession over FDR which is really scary,is how she always blatantly ignores how the republicans are as corrupt as well NEVER mentioning the pic I have posted a few times in the past of Eisenhower standing next to stalin while he has his soliders murder children. has she EVER once talked about any other president here before other than FDR? I sure as hell cant remember it if she ever did.
Liar.
1. Fascists like Mussolini loved and supported Roosevelt.
- Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
- In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
- “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.
1. The Fascism of the 30’s was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later. The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.
a. American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.
From Schivelbusch, chapter one.
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Fascist and corporatist hate FDR. He proved beyond any doubt that New Deal policies could and did work. His policies end up being the most anti corporatist and anti fascist implemented in the 20th Century. Hate FDR or love him, his impact has had positive effects on the American way of life and his policies continue to be mimicked and to influence policies though every administration since his death as a sitting President in his fourth term in office. The impact of other Presidents pale in comparison to the impacts and legacy of FDR.
what I have noticed about her trolling in her obsession over FDR which is really scary,is how she always blatantly ignores how the republicans are as corrupt as well NEVER mentioning the pic I have posted a few times in the past of Eisenhower standing next to stalin while he has his soliders murder children. has she EVER once talked about any other president here before other than FDR? I sure as hell cant remember it if she ever did.
Despite what brainwashed idiots like Crazy Frank say, FDR is generally viewed favorably by Americans, beloved by many, voted by historians to be one of the best Presidents in history, sharing a spot alongside Washington and Lincoln.
No offense but you taken to school on this a long time ago how FDR betrayed americans and continued what Hoover started the same way Obama has continued what bush got started and of course he is voted by historians in the same class as them.
these historians are on our corrupt governments payroll so of course he will be up there in the likes of them.theses historians of course will hold back the facts how he deliberately allowed the japenese to murder American soliders knowing they were going to attack pearl harbor that day so he could jojn forces with churhhill to get approval from America to go to war with Germany and join England.
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Fascist and corporatist hate FDR. He proved beyond any doubt that New Deal policies could and did work. His policies end up being the most anti corporatist and anti fascist implemented in the 20th Century. Hate FDR or love him, his impact has had positive effects on the American way of life and his policies continue to be mimicked and to influence policies though every administration since his death as a sitting President in his fourth term in office. The impact of other Presidents pale in comparison to the impacts and legacy of FDR.
what I have noticed about her trolling in her obsession over FDR which is really scary,is how she always blatantly ignores how the republicans are as corrupt as well NEVER mentioning the pic I have posted a few times in the past of Eisenhower standing next to stalin while he has his soliders murder children. has she EVER once talked about any other president here before other than FDR? I sure as hell cant remember it if she ever did.
Despite what brainwashed idiots like Crazy Frank say, FDR is generally viewed favorably by Americans, beloved by many, voted by historians to be one of the best Presidents in history, sharing a spot alongside Washington and Lincoln.
"....corporatist hate FDR."
Again, you lie.
- The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
- The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’ Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"
- New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)
And this, just as FDR and the New Deal did:
Another early policy given high priority by the Nazi government was the organizing of all German businesses into cartels. The argument was that—in contrast to the disorderliness and egoism of free market capitalism—centralization and state control would increase efficiency and a sense of German unity. In July of 1933, membership in a cartel became compulsory for businesses, and by early 1934 the cartel structure was re-organized and placed firmly under the direction of the German government. Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz Stephen Hicks Ph.D.
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Fascist and corporatist hate FDR. He proved beyond any doubt that New Deal policies could and did work. His policies end up being the most anti corporatist and anti fascist implemented in the 20th Century. Hate FDR or love him, his impact has had positive effects on the American way of life and his policies continue to be mimicked and to influence policies though every administration since his death as a sitting President in his fourth term in office. The impact of other Presidents pale in comparison to the impacts and legacy of FDR.
what I have noticed about her trolling in her obsession over FDR which is really scary,is how she always blatantly ignores how the republicans are as corrupt as well NEVER mentioning the pic I have posted a few times in the past of Eisenhower standing next to stalin while he has his soliders murder children. has she EVER once talked about any other president here before other than FDR? I sure as hell cant remember it if she ever did.
Despite what brainwashed idiots like Crazy Frank say, FDR is generally viewed favorably by Americans, beloved by many, voted by historians to be one of the best Presidents in history, sharing a spot alongside Washington and Lincoln.
No offense but you taken to school on this a long time ago how FDR betrayed americans and continued what Hoover started the same way Obama has continued what bush got started and of course he is voted by historians in the same class as them.
these historians are on our corrupt governments payroll so of course he will be up there in the likes of them.theses historians of course will hold back the facts how he deliberately allowed the japenese to murder American soliders knowing they were going to attack pearl harbor that day so he could jojn forces with churhhill to get approval from America to go to war with Germany and join England.
I would actually enjoy this OP in fact if it was not created by a troll who has a scary obsession over FDR and has made so many multiple threads on him in the past and seldom ever makes any on any other presidents..
Ya, anyone and everyone who disagrees with your shallow and shortsighted agenda driven ideas and opinions is a liar. But while others answer your nonsense with academic and debate accepted methods using university level resource methods you continue to cut and paste selected out of context quotes that wouldn't be accepted at a community college. 19 pages of thread and you still have failed to answer the first question asked of you. All your boosting about your intellect and ability to present a thesis and you have yet to explain what Chesly Manly, Col McCormick or the American Party was. These are main sources of your thesis and used by other sources you use as sources. It is the foundation you use for many of your threads and particularly the ones about FDR. So, why do you have such a problem explaining to readers of your threads about FDR who your foundation source is? Of course you and I know the answer to that. Sources have to be sourced themselves. You can list a source, but you have to know where the source got the data. You have to be able to trace it back to it's origin for it to be of value in anything other than a poorly written conspiracy theory.Fascist and corporatist hate FDR. He proved beyond any doubt that New Deal policies could and did work. His policies end up being the most anti corporatist and anti fascist implemented in the 20th Century. Hate FDR or love him, his impact has had positive effects on the American way of life and his policies continue to be mimicked and to influence policies though every administration since his death as a sitting President in his fourth term in office. The impact of other Presidents pale in comparison to the impacts and legacy of FDR.
what I have noticed about her trolling in her obsession over FDR which is really scary,is how she always blatantly ignores how the republicans are as corrupt as well NEVER mentioning the pic I have posted a few times in the past of Eisenhower standing next to stalin while he has his soliders murder children. has she EVER once talked about any other president here before other than FDR? I sure as hell cant remember it if she ever did.
Liar.
1. Fascists like Mussolini loved and supported Roosevelt.
- Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
- In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
1. The Fascism of the 30’s was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later. The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.
- “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.
a. American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.
From Schivelbusch, chapter one.
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Camp's analysis above is spot on.
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Ya, anyone and everyone who disagrees with your shallow and shortsighted agenda driven ideas and opinions is a liar. But while others answer your nonsense with academic and debate accepted methods using university level resource methods you continue to cut and paste selected out of context quotes that wouldn't be accepted at a community college. 19 pages of thread and you still have failed to answer the first question asked of you. All your boosting about your intellect and ability to present a thesis and you have yet to explain what Chesly Manly, Col McCormick or the American Party was. These are main sources of your thesis and used by other sources you use as sources. It is the foundation you use for many of your threads and particularly the ones about FDR. So, why do you have such a problem explaining to readers of your threads about FDR who your foundation source is? Of course you and I know the answer to that. Sources have to be sourced themselves. You can list a source, but you have to know where the source got the data. You have to be able to trace it back to it's origin for it to be of value in anything other than a poorly written conspiracy theory.Fascist and corporatist hate FDR. He proved beyond any doubt that New Deal policies could and did work. His policies end up being the most anti corporatist and anti fascist implemented in the 20th Century. Hate FDR or love him, his impact has had positive effects on the American way of life and his policies continue to be mimicked and to influence policies though every administration since his death as a sitting President in his fourth term in office. The impact of other Presidents pale in comparison to the impacts and legacy of FDR.
what I have noticed about her trolling in her obsession over FDR which is really scary,is how she always blatantly ignores how the republicans are as corrupt as well NEVER mentioning the pic I have posted a few times in the past of Eisenhower standing next to stalin while he has his soliders murder children. has she EVER once talked about any other president here before other than FDR? I sure as hell cant remember it if she ever did.
Liar.
1. Fascists like Mussolini loved and supported Roosevelt.
- Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
- In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
1. The Fascism of the 30’s was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later. The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.
- “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.
a. American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.
From Schivelbusch, chapter one.
That's funny.
I just posted a ton of links and quotes proving you to be a congenital liar....FDR was a corporatist par excellence, and that Mussolini love him and FDR mirrored his policies.
Good thing you have dirt-bag's enduring support.
Your mancrush had a mancrush on him and voted for him 4 times, even called him hero.
Yea, saint ronnie.
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Ya, anyone and everyone who disagrees with your shallow and shortsighted agenda driven ideas and opinions is a liar. But while others answer your nonsense with academic and debate accepted methods using university level resource methods you continue to cut and paste selected out of context quotes that wouldn't be accepted at a community college. 19 pages of thread and you still have failed to answer the first question asked of you. All your boosting about your intellect and ability to present a thesis and you have yet to explain what Chesly Manly, Col McCormick or the American Party was. These are main sources of your thesis and used by other sources you use as sources. It is the foundation you use for many of your threads and particularly the ones about FDR. So, why do you have such a problem explaining to readers of your threads about FDR who your foundation source is? Of course you and I know the answer to that. Sources have to be sourced themselves. You can list a source, but you have to know where the source got the data. You have to be able to trace it back to it's origin for it to be of value in anything other than a poorly written conspiracy theory.Fascist and corporatist hate FDR. He proved beyond any doubt that New Deal policies could and did work. His policies end up being the most anti corporatist and anti fascist implemented in the 20th Century. Hate FDR or love him, his impact has had positive effects on the American way of life and his policies continue to be mimicked and to influence policies though every administration since his death as a sitting President in his fourth term in office. The impact of other Presidents pale in comparison to the impacts and legacy of FDR.
what I have noticed about her trolling in her obsession over FDR which is really scary,is how she always blatantly ignores how the republicans are as corrupt as well NEVER mentioning the pic I have posted a few times in the past of Eisenhower standing next to stalin while he has his soliders murder children. has she EVER once talked about any other president here before other than FDR? I sure as hell cant remember it if she ever did.
Liar.
1. Fascists like Mussolini loved and supported Roosevelt.
- Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
- In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
1. The Fascism of the 30’s was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later. The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.
- “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.
a. American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.
From Schivelbusch, chapter one.
what I love about this hypocrite troll liar is how she evades facts on how her idol reagan was an evil corrupt mass murderer,and uses the INTERNET for her sources in her desperate attempts to try and save face when she is cornered on this.
talk about a lying hypocrite troll.
she must be married to USMB's resident troll reagan lover troll crusader retard.Like him,she evades facts even if you show videos from the actual 80's taken back then of the media BACK THEN talking about how reagans policys ruined america and betrayed americans.somehow actual sources from the 80s themselves are not god enough for trolls like her and her husband crusader retard.
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Ya, anyone and everyone who disagrees with your shallow and shortsighted agenda driven ideas and opinions is a liar. But while others answer your nonsense with academic and debate accepted methods using university level resource methods you continue to cut and paste selected out of context quotes that wouldn't be accepted at a community college. 19 pages of thread and you still have failed to answer the first question asked of you. All your boosting about your intellect and ability to present a thesis and you have yet to explain what Chesly Manly, Col McCormick or the American Party was. These are main sources of your thesis and used by other sources you use as sources. It is the foundation you use for many of your threads and particularly the ones about FDR. So, why do you have such a problem explaining to readers of your threads about FDR who your foundation source is? Of course you and I know the answer to that. Sources have to be sourced themselves. You can list a source, but you have to know where the source got the data. You have to be able to trace it back to it's origin for it to be of value in anything other than a poorly written conspiracy theory.Fascist and corporatist hate FDR. He proved beyond any doubt that New Deal policies could and did work. His policies end up being the most anti corporatist and anti fascist implemented in the 20th Century. Hate FDR or love him, his impact has had positive effects on the American way of life and his policies continue to be mimicked and to influence policies though every administration since his death as a sitting President in his fourth term in office. The impact of other Presidents pale in comparison to the impacts and legacy of FDR.
what I have noticed about her trolling in her obsession over FDR which is really scary,is how she always blatantly ignores how the republicans are as corrupt as well NEVER mentioning the pic I have posted a few times in the past of Eisenhower standing next to stalin while he has his soliders murder children. has she EVER once talked about any other president here before other than FDR? I sure as hell cant remember it if she ever did.
Liar.
1. Fascists like Mussolini loved and supported Roosevelt.
- Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
- In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.
1. The Fascism of the 30’s was hardly new on the scene. In fact, by the 1920’s, American intellectuals, disappointed in what they perceived as the failures of classical liberalism allowed themselves to think that Fascism was the path toward their ideals, and the same path allowed them to stumble into Stalinism some time later. The jewels of the new thinking, according to these elites, was comprehensive state control, planning and direction, as long as the goals remained “a conscious, intelligent ordering of society,” as Columbia professor and disciple of John Dewey, Herbert W. Schneider stated.
- “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.
a. American progressives, pragmatists, viewed Fascism’s emphasis on political repression as a regrettable but entirely understandable corollary.
From Schivelbusch, chapter one.
what I love about this hypocrite troll liar is how she evades facts on how her idol reagan was an evil corrupt mass murderer,and uses the INTERNET for her sources in her desperate attempts to try and save face when she is cornered on this.
talk about a lying hypocrite troll.
Like him,she evades facts even if you show videos from the actual 80's taken back then of the media BACK THEN talking abotu how reagans policys ruined america and betrayed americans.somehow actual sources from the 80s themselves are not god enough for trolls like her and her husband crusader retard.
^ HW's personal disinformation troll still steaming that Reagan survived the assassination attempt arranged by HW and his Establishment Pals
Perhaps you should do some actual research instead of simply parroting those that share your bias. Roosevelt warned against fascism before WW II even started.
The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.
Message to Congress on Curbing Monopolies- April 29, 1938
Franklin D. Roosevelt Message to Congress on Curbing Monopolies.
PoliticalChic
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Really, you dunce?
When will you learn that reality, truth, is not based on words, it is defined by actions.
Roosevelt was of one mind with Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin when it came to economic policy and actions that resulted from same.
But Stalin was his first love.
Thus..."Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
When you come right down to it, the megalomaniac Roosevelt was of the same totalitarian mind as those named above.
I'd really be a dunce if I accepted your unsupported allegations. I had the decency to provide a cite. Shame you can't find the time to do the same.
PoliticalChic
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That was Mussolini's take on Roosevelt, NOT Roosevelt's take on Mussolini. You've got to do better to fool me.
We run in circles. When a PC quote is refuted she simple ignores it and waits a little while and brings up her out of context quote again when she needs to stick her finger in a hole in the dyke. She continues to use Shivelbusch even after a Shivelbusch quote is shown to show her distortion and misrepresentation, How hard is it to comprehend "To compare is not the same as to equate"
PoliticalChic
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That was Mussolini's take on Roosevelt, NOT Roosevelt's take on Mussolini. You've got to do better to fool me.
Fool a fool???
Really?
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