RON PAUL VS Rockefeller

[Paulie]

When KKK leader David Duke switched parties to run for Louisiana governor as a Republican in 1991, then-President George H W Bush responded sharply, saying, "When someone asserts the Holocaust never took place, then I don't believe that person ever deserves one iota of public trust. When someone has so recently endorsed Nazism, it is inconceivable that someone can reasonably aspire to a leadership role in a free society."

Just to stray off topic for a second, I find it unbelievably ironic that HW Bush would make such a statement, considering his father helped fund the Nazi's into power.

As far as Kathianne's accusations, blogs are not a source. They are opinions.

As far as that article, Ron not denouncing someone who supports him does not categorize him as having the same opinion of said supporter.

Why should he anyway? This is fucking AMERICA. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and moreover, everyone who meets the legal requirements is entitled to VOTE.

I'm sure you could find something like this about every candidate running. There are people who support every candidate that have views that other people would not agree with. Using this logic that candidates not accept support from certain people, would end up alienating the voting population as a whole. Virtually no one would be voting, because they may have views that don't jive with someone else's. It's stupid.

I could make the same argument about Giuliani supporters, and their rabid desire to go pre-emptively attack Iran. A nuclear attack on Iran would cause a humanitarian and ecological disaster in that region, but so many of Giuliani's supporters advocate such a thing.

This is ridiculous Kathianne. Until you come back here with something that implicates Ron in some type of crime, or corruption, your smeer attempts are useless.

 

[Annie]

Just to stray off topic for a second, I find it unbelievably ironic that HW Bush would make such a statement, considering his father helped fund the Nazi's into power.

As far as Kathianne's accusations, blogs are not a source. They are opinions.

As far as that article, Ron not denouncing someone who supports him does not categorize him as having the same opinion of said supporter.

Why should he anyway? This is fucking AMERICA. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and moreover, everyone who meets the legal requirements is entitled to VOTE.

I'm sure you could find something like this about every candidate running. There are people who support every candidate that have views that other people would not agree with. Using this logic that candidates not accept support from certain people, would end up alienating the voting population as a whole. Virtually no one would be voting, because they may have views that don't jive with someone else's. It's stupid.

I could make the same argument about Giuliani supporters, and their rabid desire to go pre-emptively attack Iran. A nuclear attack on Iran would cause a humanitarian and ecological disaster in that region, but so many of Giuliani's supporters advocate such a thing.

This is ridiculous Kathianne. Until you come back here with something that implicates Ron in some type of crime, or corruption, your smeer attempts are useless.

Right, unless of course it's Ron's site, then it's cool. However, as I stated the article also cites news articles. It's not so much 'Ron' as who is keeping him company and donating those tons of dough.

 

[eots]

Right, unless of course it's Ron's site, then it's cool. However, as I stated the article also cites news articles. It's not so much 'Ron' as who is keeping him company and donating those tons of dough.

the bush family ties to the Nazis is a well documented fact

 

[Annie]

the bush family ties to the Nazis is a well documented fact

LOL! More coming out on Paul and his "Jews for Paul". Problem is, the leader of that group is not Jewish.

 

[jillian]

the bush family ties to the Nazis is a well documented fact

Yes, Prescott Bush absolutely had those ties. But to be fair I haven't seen either Bush the daddy or the son indicate any such sympathies. So I really don't have a problem with his comments on David Duke. Every family has his skeletons.

Just for the record.

 

[Annie]

I agree with Jillian, Joe Kennedy was not exactly a friend of the Jews either. He bought Nazi stocks from Granpappy Bush. So what? Sins of the father do not necessarily repeat the same in the sons. Not that I think the Bush's or Kennedy's of this and last generation aren't making their own skeleton's, but has zip for either to be with Neo-nazis and such.

Paul has too many ties to groups like Stormfront, to make me take him seriously, much less vote for him.

 

[Nevadamedic]

I agree with Jillian, Joe Kennedy was not exactly a friend of the Jews either. He bought Nazi stocks from Granpappy Bush. So what? Sins of the father do not necessarily repeat the same in the sons. Not that I think the Bush's or Kennedy's of this and last generation aren't making their own skeleton's, but has zip for either to be with Neo-nazis and such.

Paul has too many ties to groups like Stormfront, to make me take him seriously, much less vote for him.

What are Ron Paul's ties to Stormfront?

 

[Annie]

What are Ron Paul's ties to Stormfront?

Not hard to find, google: Paul Stormfront

 

[eots]

I agree with Jillian, Joe Kennedy was not exactly a friend of the Jews either. He bought Nazi stocks from Granpappy Bush. So what? Sins of the father do not necessarily repeat the same in the sons. Not that I think the Bush's or Kennedy's of this and last generation aren't making their own skeleton's, but has zip for either to be with Neo-nazis and such.

Paul has too many ties to groups like Stormfront, to make me take him seriously, much less vote for him.

why because some blog said so because of a 500 dollar donation
do you really think they can check ever donation .this is so stupid its not worth discussing why don't you do some real research and check out the candidates tied to the cfr and their agenda ...idiot

 

[Annie]

why because some blog said so because of a 500 dollar donation
do you really think they can check ever donation .this is so stupid its not worth discussing why don't you do some real research and check out the candidates tied to the cfr and their agenda ...idiot

Gee, name calling, tsk tsk.

 

[eots]

Gee, name calling, tsk tsk.

just be a real American and do a little research on the cfr and its members and its goals

 

[hjmick]

...idiot

This is the point where a person loses an argument or debate, when the name calling begins.

 

[Shogun]

I googled Ron Paul + Stormfront and this was my results:


Ron Paul Revolution - Recent & Upcoming Events messageboard
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ron-paul-one-388512.html

Why We Should Support Ron Paul messageboard
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/why-we-should-support-ron-388565.html

Dr. Ron Paul For President 2008
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/6/7/22824/87260

Ron Paul endorsed by Stormfront Radio
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2007/10/ron-paul-endorsed-by-stormfront-radio.html

Ron Paul supporters advertising on Stormfront now?
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/23/ron-paul-supporters-advertising-on-stormfront-now/

Paul and Stormfront
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=7046

Ron Paul and Stormfront: Perfect Together
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2007/10/ron-paul-and-stormfront-perfect.html

More On Stormfront And The Ron Paul Campaign
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/26/more-on-stormfront-and-the-ron-paul-campaign/

Amnesty and the Welfare State
http://www.davidduke.com/general/reclaiming-our-rights-as-a-sovereign-nation_1102.html



three things:

1. While I certainly don't rub elbows with the stormfront crowd is it really smart of republicans to point the "look whose hanging with racists" card? Am I the only one laughing at the idea that RP is the only candidate with racist supporters?

2. Who here wants to guess who the Abortion clinic bomber voted for? Does this reflect, in any way, on other Bush supporters or Bush himself?

3. This is about as significant as Howard Deans Yell, Dukakis's Tank ride, Kerry's swift boat vets for truth and Bob Doles Bob Dole. In fact, outside of the racist element I'm betting money, marbles and chalk that republicans have a world of common ideology with Duke's crowd.. Even if it's not, hehehehe, PC to admit all of em..

 

[Annie]

I googled Ron Paul + Stormfront and this was my results:


Ron Paul Revolution - Recent & Upcoming Events messageboard
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ron-paul-one-388512.html

Why We Should Support Ron Paul messageboard
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/why-we-should-support-ron-388565.html

Dr. Ron Paul For President 2008
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/6/7/22824/87260

Ron Paul endorsed by Stormfront Radio
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2007/10/ron-paul-endorsed-by-stormfront-radio.html

Ron Paul supporters advertising on Stormfront now?
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/23/ron-paul-supporters-advertising-on-stormfront-now/

Paul and Stormfront
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=7046

Ron Paul and Stormfront: Perfect Together
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2007/10/ron-paul-and-stormfront-perfect.html

More On Stormfront And The Ron Paul Campaign
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/10/26/more-on-stormfront-and-the-ron-paul-campaign/

Amnesty and the Welfare State
http://www.davidduke.com/general/reclaiming-our-rights-as-a-sovereign-nation_1102.html



three things:

1. While I certainly don't rub elbows with the stormfront crowd is it really smart of republicans to point the "look whose hanging with racists" card? Am I the only one laughing at the idea that RP is the only candidate with racist supporters?

2. Who here wants to guess who the Abortion clinic bomber voted for? Does this reflect, in any way, on other Bush supporters or Bush himself?

3. This is about as significant as Howard Deans Yell, Dukakis's Tank ride, Kerry's swift boat vets for truth and Bob Doles Bob Dole. In fact, outside of the racist element I'm betting money, marbles and chalk that republicans have a world of common ideology with Duke's crowd.. Even if it's not, hehehehe, PC to admit all of em..

Actually if other Republican candidates, of which Paul is one, have so many ties to these types of groups, I wouldn't vote for them either.

 

[Shogun]

TIES or merely supporters?


Do you think that any racists supported Bush in 00 and 04?

 

[Annie]

TIES or merely supporters?


Do you think that any racists supported Bush in 00 and 04?

Yep, but not endorsements. Nor were there fundraising going on from David Dukes sites, etc. I think there are racists supporting all of them, there's a hell of a lot of racists out there. That includes Obama, having racists supporting him, not that he is.

Difference is when their support seems to be a significant part of the operation. That is problematic. As for Jewish problems with Paul, check out what he's said and how he's voted regarding Israel.

 

[Shogun]

If Paul voted against israel it would be perfectly consistent with his PRIMARY concern for America. This nation doesn't exist for the sake of preserving Israel. It doesn't take an anti-semite to know that.


Did you just suggest that stormfront's donations were a significant part of RPs election campaign? Please clarify.

 

[Annie]

If Paul voted against israel it would be perfectly consistent with his PRIMARY concern for America. This nation doesn't exist for the sake of preserving Israel. It doesn't take an anti-semite to know that.


Did you just suggest that stormfront's donations were a significant part of RPs election campaign? Please clarify.

Just an educated guess. Usually when one goes making endorsements and encouraging members to donate, it follows.

 

[eots]

Just an educated guess. Usually when one goes making endorsements and encouraging members to donate, it follows.

translation; just a uniformed opinion, a shot in the dark. a unfounded accusation

 

[Shogun]

see.. that's not a very stable comment to stand on, is it? Would you let a guess stand when directed at your pony? Racists support republicans too. It's a mark against your credibility to insist on a connection between RP and Stormfront based on mere donation and platform support. If that were the criteria for demonization the GOP wouldn't have any candidates anywhere.


Did you get my drift about RP and his Israel vote? We are not a nation for the sake of Israel.