Romney pledges to veto federal DREAM Act for immigrants

[Flopper]

You don't see how the promise of eventual legalization for their young children would induce more people to take the risk and come here?

How can the law be an enticement to enter the US illegally when the law requires that the child has lived here for at least five years before the law was enacted enactment?

The DREAM Act

And of course there's no issues with proving how long an undocumented illegal immigrant has been here.

In most cases school records will be sufficient.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

How can the law be an enticement to enter the US illegally when the law requires that the child has lived here for at least five years before the law was enacted enactment?

The DREAM Act

And of course there's no issues with proving how long an undocumented illegal immigrant has been here.

In most cases school records will be sufficient.

I'm sorry, I just see way too much room for fraud and abuse with the Dream Act. And even if proving how long you've been here is sorted out, it would still encourage more illegal immigration, as illegal immigrants would be assured that if they just wait it out our idiot elected officials will make it worth their while.

 

[jillian]

You don't see how the promise of eventual legalization for their young children would induce more people to take the risk and come here?

How can the law be an enticement to enter the US illegally when the law requires that the child has lived here for at least five years before the law was enacted enactment?

The DREAM Act

And of course there's no issues with proving how long an undocumented illegal immigrant has been here.

any utility bill going back to first date of residence would be sufficient.

just say you don't like it... because that's really all you've offered by way of opposition....despite it being shown that there would be great benefits to the program...certainly greater benefits than letting things go on as they are.

 

[kyzr]

Who should get the limited funds, K-12 kids, or illegal immigrants as CA raises tuition & fees?
Capitol Alert: Analyst puts California's deficit at nearly $13 billion

The Dream Act is moronic. Any dems that whine about it had better be in spanish speaking hoods. Taxpayers are saying NO.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

How can the law be an enticement to enter the US illegally when the law requires that the child has lived here for at least five years before the law was enacted enactment?

The DREAM Act

And of course there's no issues with proving how long an undocumented illegal immigrant has been here.

any utility bill going back to first date of residence would be sufficient.

just say you don't like it... because that's really all you've offered by way of opposition....despite it being shown that there would be great benefits to the program...certainly greater benefits than letting things go on as they are.

I don't like anything that rewards and encourages breaking federal law.

 

[Zander]

I, like Mitt Romney, am all for immigration - LEGAL immigration.

 

[Flopper]

And of course there's no issues with proving how long an undocumented illegal immigrant has been here.

In most cases school records will be sufficient.

I'm sorry, I just see way too much room for fraud and abuse with the Dream Act. And even if proving how long you've been here is sorted out, it would still encourage more illegal immigration, as illegal immigrants would be assured that if they just wait it out our idiot elected officials will make it worth their while.

To think that the Dream Act would entice parents to come to this country when their kids clearly do not qualify is being just a bit paranoid.

These kids did not choose to violate our laws, their parents did. To hold them responsible for what their parents did is not right. Without documentation, the best these kids can hope for is menial jobs or a life of crime. This law would make it possible for those that wanted to make something of themselves to become an asset instead a liability to the country.


DREAM Act Provisions

The legislation would provide a path to conditional legal residency for undocumented immigrant students if he/she:

Was 15 years old or younger when brought to the United States
Has lived here for at least five years before enactment of law
Is of good moral character
Has earned a high school diploma or GED
Eligible students would have six years to earn permanent residency status if they:

Complete two years of higher education, or
Complete two years of military service with honorable discharge if discharged.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The Dream Act is unfair and would encourage even more illegal immigration.

As already correctly noted, it’s perfectly fair given the fact that most effected came to the US legally as minor children and lost their legal status through no fault of their own. Most came to the US as preschoolers or even infants, and know no other country – to ‘deport’ them would be cruel and inhumane.

He just had ICE issue a hotline number so illegals caught red handed can call for help to stay here.

To allow those eligible to apply for asylum, as proscribed by law. Can you tell an asylum-seeker from any other ‘illegal.’ And you wouldn’t want Obama to violate the law, would you?

Like it or not, we live in a country where everyone is innocent until proven guilty - even illegal immigrants. So I fully support a hotline for people to be informed of their rights. Still entirely irrelevant to my post, though.

Correct.

Now G. W. Bush understood this, and did a lot of outreach.

Indeed.

And his immigration reform proposal made for sound policy.

Good point. Then why is the left so opposed to E-verify…

They aren’t. E-Verify is perfectly appropriate as it’s applied to all equally; government has a reasonable motive for compelling employers to use it.

and a national ID?

Here government may lack a compelling reason, as the ID can be construed as a privacy violation. How can the state compel a citizen to obtain an ID he doesn’t want, one is not required to prove he’s a citizen or in the country legally without probable cause.

It also violates a fundamental principle that a truly free society can not be a ‘papers, please’ society.

(telling also in that conservatives should be opposed to ‘papers, please…’)

 

[Amelia]

I fail to see how the Dream Act would encourage more illegal immigration being that it only applies to people who were brought here illegally as children. You can't sneak across the border at 18 and then get the benefits of the Dream Act.

It's a sensible solution for people who essentially have no country.

You don't see how the promise of eventual legalization for their young children would induce more people to take the risk and come here?

How can the law be an enticement to enter the US illegally when the law requires that the child has lived here for at least five years before the law was enacted enactment?

The DREAM Act

Every time the U.S. wooses out on enforcement and grants amnesty in one form or another that is enticement for a new wave of illegal immigrants.

They know what a bunch of cowards our elected officials are.


Will we really enforce a cut off date of when the Dream Act was passed?


Suppose we do pass the Dream Act in 2012.

In 2013 will we start obeying the letter of the law and deporting young people who were brought here in 2008 or later?


I saw someone used the word "naive" in response to you in an earlier post.

I can't think of a better word right now.

 

[Unkotare]

Who should get the limited funds, K-12 kids, or illegal immigrants as CA raises tuition & fees?
Capitol Alert: Analyst puts California's deficit at nearly $13 billion

The Dream Act is moronic. Any dems that whine about it had better be in spanish speaking hoods. Taxpayers are saying NO.

Well, obama DID order us to teach our children Spanish...

 

[LoneLaugher]

Another thread where knee-jerk nutters express great outrage regarding an issue.....but little substance. As ususal, thinking people have taken the time to explain the complexity of the issue and how having an emotional solution is not possible. The nutters are impervious to this complex thinking, though....and carry on with their over-simplified tantrum.

 

[AmericanFirst]

It seems an odd time to be making this pledge. According to Intrade, Romney's stock has never been higher (77% odds of capturing the nomination), and some people have suggested that Romney's fierce hawkish immigration stance is hurting both him and his party. Now he is attacking a relatively popular pro-immigrant program (at one point, the DREAM Act had 54% approval Poll: 54 percent support DREAM Act – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs). It seems that Romney is not done running to the right.

The dream act stinks, always has. It is nothing but a libtard act to kiss illegal immigrants behinds and get their votes.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

In most cases school records will be sufficient.

I'm sorry, I just see way too much room for fraud and abuse with the Dream Act. And even if proving how long you've been here is sorted out, it would still encourage more illegal immigration, as illegal immigrants would be assured that if they just wait it out our idiot elected officials will make it worth their while.

To think that the Dream Act would entice parents to come to this country when their kids clearly do not qualify is being just a bit paranoid.

These kids did not choose to violate our laws, their parents did. To hold them responsible for what their parents did is not right. Without documentation, the best these kids can hope for is menial jobs or a life of crime. This law would make it possible for those that wanted to make something of themselves to become an asset instead a liability to the country.


DREAM Act Provisions

The legislation would provide a path to conditional legal residency for undocumented immigrant students if he/she:

Was 15 years old or younger when brought to the United States
Has lived here for at least five years before enactment of law
Is of good moral character
Has earned a high school diploma or GED
Eligible students would have six years to earn permanent residency status if they:

Complete two years of higher education, or
Complete two years of military service with honorable discharge if discharged.

They're not being enticed by the Dream Act itself, but more so the promise it makes saying that the US will undoubtedly pass more legislation which rewards breaking federal law. Our elected officials are sending a signal to would be illegal immigrants saying "Go ahead and break our laws, we won't hold it against you, and in fact we'll make it worth your while".

 

[JoeB131]

I, like Mitt Romney, am all for immigration - LEGAL immigration.

Isn't the issue with the DREAM act at all.

The issue is, should we hold people responsible for illegal actions taken by their parents when they were children? When they were children, they had no say in the matter, really.

If they get good grades and want to serve in the military (unlike Chickenhawk Romney's Childrens... they might soil their magic undies when a DI yelled at them), shouldn't we reward that choice?

If they stay in school, keep out of trouble and get good grades, should we give them access to the same educational advantages other people have?

 

[JoeB131]

They're not being enticed by the Dream Act itself, but more so the promise it makes saying that the US will undoubtedly pass more legislation which rewards breaking federal law. Our elected officials are sending a signal to would be illegal immigrants saying "Go ahead and break our laws, we won't hold it against you, and in fact we'll make it worth your while".

You really think most illegals are thinking that far in advance?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Oh, an adult conversation, eh? Pretending that granting amnesty won't encourage more illegal immigration is "adult"?

What amnesty?

Try to pay attention, moron.

Go ahead, smart guy, tell us all about the "amnesty" in the bill.

 

[Flopper]

I'm sorry, I just see way too much room for fraud and abuse with the Dream Act. And even if proving how long you've been here is sorted out, it would still encourage more illegal immigration, as illegal immigrants would be assured that if they just wait it out our idiot elected officials will make it worth their while.

To think that the Dream Act would entice parents to come to this country when their kids clearly do not qualify is being just a bit paranoid.

These kids did not choose to violate our laws, their parents did. To hold them responsible for what their parents did is not right. Without documentation, the best these kids can hope for is menial jobs or a life of crime. This law would make it possible for those that wanted to make something of themselves to become an asset instead a liability to the country.

The message this bill sends to those considering illegal entry is that future legislation will be not benefit you.



DREAM Act Provisions

The legislation would provide a path to conditional legal residency for undocumented immigrant students if he/she:

Was 15 years old or younger when brought to the United States
Has lived here for at least five years before enactment of law
Is of good moral character
Has earned a high school diploma or GED
Eligible students would have six years to earn permanent residency status if they:

Complete two years of higher education, or
Complete two years of military service with honorable discharge if discharged.

They're not being enticed by the Dream Act itself, but more so the promise it makes saying that the US will undoubtedly pass more legislation which rewards breaking federal law. Our elected officials are sending a signal to would be illegal immigrants saying "Go ahead and break our laws, we won't hold it against you, and in fact we'll make it worth your while".

We aren't about to deport 11 million people because the American public doesn't support it. In fact polls show that most Americans believe there should be a path to citizenship. The Dream Act is a sensible way to begin dealing with the problem. It gives those that are here illegally through no fault of their own a chance at the American dream if they are willing work for it. It's good legislation and should have been passed 10 years ago when it was first introduced.

The only message this bill sends to those considering illegal entry is that future legislation will be written so it does not benefit you.

 

[Amelia]

To think that the Dream Act would entice parents to come to this country when their kids clearly do not qualify is being just a bit paranoid.

These kids did not choose to violate our laws, their parents did. To hold them responsible for what their parents did is not right. Without documentation, the best these kids can hope for is menial jobs or a life of crime. This law would make it possible for those that wanted to make something of themselves to become an asset instead a liability to the country.

The message this bill sends to those considering illegal entry is that future legislation will be not benefit you.



DREAM Act Provisions

The legislation would provide a path to conditional legal residency for undocumented immigrant students if he/she:

Was 15 years old or younger when brought to the United States
Has lived here for at least five years before enactment of law
Is of good moral character
Has earned a high school diploma or GED
Eligible students would have six years to earn permanent residency status if they:

Complete two years of higher education, or
Complete two years of military service with honorable discharge if discharged.

They're not being enticed by the Dream Act itself, but more so the promise it makes saying that the US will undoubtedly pass more legislation which rewards breaking federal law. Our elected officials are sending a signal to would be illegal immigrants saying "Go ahead and break our laws, we won't hold it against you, and in fact we'll make it worth your while".

We aren't about to deport 11 million people because the American public doesn't support it. In fact polls show that most Americans believe there should be a path to citizenship. The Dream Act is a sensible way to begin dealing with the problem. It gives those that are here illegally through no fault of their own a chance at the American dream if they are willing work for it. It's good legislation and should have been passed 10 years ago when it was first introduced.

The only message this bill sends to those considering illegal entry is that future legislation will be written so it does not benefit you.

Sure.

 

[Unkotare]

What amnesty?

Try to pay attention, moron.

Go ahead, smart guy, tell us all about the "amnesty" in the bill.

Start by reading ALL the posts, idiot.

 

[FactFinder]

Romney pledges to veto federal DREAM Act for immigrants

Okay...when you start believing any Romny pledges you have now entered 'Neverland". Good luck to ya.