Rock throwing kids face 20 years in jail. Not even Apartheid South Africa tried this.

[Billo_Really]

The Israeli's level entire neighborhoods with 2000 pound bombs, but its rock throwing kids that we need to stop.

There's something seriously wrong with this picture.

 

[Phoenall]

So, the consensus among the zero IQ Israel Firsters is that the Palestinians should resign themselves to Jew rule forever, just because Jews are those doing the ruling.

These same hypocrites support the insurgency against the Syrian government and would arm the insurgents against the Syrian government.

A group of morons that proposed that the non-whites resign themselves to white-rule in Rhodesia, South West Africa and South Africa would have been deemed racists. The Israel Firsters are proposing an analogous behavior on the part of the Palestinians and are, by extension, racists. And yes, discrimination and oppression based on ethnicity and religion are considered racism.

TROLL

 

[Phoenall]

So, the consensus among the zero IQ Israel Firsters is that the Palestinians should resign themselves to Jew rule forever, just because Jews are those doing the ruling.

These same hypocrites support the insurgency against the Syrian government and would arm the insurgents against the Syrian government.

A group of morons that proposed that the non-whites resign themselves to white-rule in Rhodesia, South West Africa and South Africa would have been deemed racists. The Israel Firsters are proposing an analogous behavior on the part of the Palestinians and are, by extension, racists. And yes, discrimination and oppression based on ethnicity and religion are considered racism.

No, the Arab-Muslim Palestinians of (what little is left of) the West Bank, and Gaza, should pack up and leave Jewish Palestine (Eretz Yisrael), and head for Arab Palestine (Jordan).

They've been squatting on Jewish land long enough.

Only the worst under-performers are content to sit on their asses in refugee camp and refugee town shit-holes for 66 years, without improving their lot.

Time for them to stop blaming others, and to get off their asses, and build new and better lives for themselves, someplace else.

They lost - the Losing Side does not dictate terms - and it's time for them to take the losing side's "Sucker's Walk".

Time for them to leave.

Still posting propaganda. The Jews are the invaders who took land from the indigenous people. The indigenous people have every right to resist and convince the world to return their land. The Boers won the wars against the non-whites and subjugated them. Who ended up in charge?

Prior to 635 C.E. the indigenous were the Jews, then the muslim invaders came and took the land by force. So according to you the indigenous JEWS have the right to resist the muslim invaders and expel them from their land.

The neo Marxists ended up in charge and have destroyed S.A. in just a few short years. The rape capital of the world, the murder capital of the world, the violence capital of the world and all because the blacks can not control themselves. Just like gaza and the west bank is now and not a Jew in sight.

 

[Phoenall]

Eventually, the non-Jews will win. It's a matter of demographics, nothing more. The Jews should make a deal when they have the upper hand. There are no more millions of Russian Jews available to help the Jew demographics. Don't you get it? The American Jews aren't going to leave America, trust me.

They have had the benefit of demographics since 1900 and still they fail to take any advantage of it due to their inability to work together. They can only increase their population so much until nature steps in and starts killing them off. The Palestinians should make a deal while they still can because very shortly the world will force them into accepting whatever the Israeli's demand

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, this is merely a pro-Palestinian stance, for which they refuse to take through the agreed upon dispute process.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Either the Palestinian State is Occupied, as in the "territory occupied since 1967;" or it is not.

You keep bringing that up without the background of the responsibilities of an occupying power and how Israel does not fit in that category.

(COMMENT)

So, if Israel is not the "Occupying Power," then the State of Palestine is not occupied by Israel and there is no complaint on that score.

You cannot claim that Israel is not the Occupying Power on one hand --- and then --- on the other hand, claim to be part of the Resistance to Israeli Occupation. Either Israel is the Occupation Power --- or it is not an Occupation Power. You cannot have it both ways.

Please understand the ramifications of your answer.

Most Respectfully,
R

You have to look at the different phases of aggression.

Invading power. Yes.

Colonial power. Yes.

Occupying power. A little sometimes.

(COMMENT)

Acts of Aggression are defined by A/RES/3314(XXIX) 14 December 1974 --- Definition of Aggression. It is important to note that the codification comes seven (7) years after the Six-Day War [ex post facto application ("after the facts")]. It is also just as important to remember that the codification came during the periods in which the West Bank was Israeli Occupied Jordanian Territory and the Israeli Occupation of the Egyptian Military Governorship of Gaza.

• Question of: Invading power.
  • Israel did not invade and occupy Palestinian Territory in 1967. The Arab Palestinian has no real cause of action against the Israeli relative to the establishment of the occupation.
    • West Bank was Jordanian Territory
    • Gaza Strip was an Egyptian Military Governorship
• Question of: Colonial power.
  • In 1979 the permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace. (Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel)
  • In 1994, the international boundary between Israel and Jordan is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I(a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and co-ordinates specified therein. The boundary, as set out in Annex I (a), is the permanent, secure and recognised international boundary between Israel and Jordan, without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967. (The Treaty of Peace between the Government of the State of Israel and the Government of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan)
    
  • Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (sole representatives of the Palestinian People) negotiated certain arrangements pertaining to Area "C" [includes all Israeli settlements (cities, towns, and villages)] in the Oslo Accords [Oslo I (1993); Oslo II (1995)].
    • In order to guarantee public order and internal security for the Palestinians of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, the Council shall establish a strong police force as set out in Article XIV below. Israel shall continue to carry the responsibility for defense against external threats, including the responsibility for protecting the Egyptian and Jordanian borders, and for defense against external threats from the sea and from the air, as well as the responsibility for overall security of Israelis and Settlements, for the purpose of safeguarding their internal security and public order, and will have all the powers to take the steps necessary to meet this responsibility.
• Question of: Occupying power.
  • Occupation may be defined as the effective control of a foreign territory by hostile armed forces. This definition derives from Article 42 of the Hague Regulations of 1907, which states that “Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.”
    • The Gaza Strip occupation ended in 2005.
    • Area "C" of the West Bank is "Occupied" under the permanent status of negotiations pursuant to the Oslo Accords.
    • Areas "A" and "B" area questionable, as current law does not delineate such circumstances. An argument can be made that Israel has some measure of effective control in Area "B."

There is an argument to be made as to whether or not the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) represents a true hostile armed forces. The argument is based on the fact that Israeli Occupation is NOT founded on the subjugation of the Palestinian people, or exerting domination and exploitation that constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation. On the contrary, the IDF and Israeli Occupation is based on the suppression of Hostile Arab Palestinians the have declared Jihad against Israeli sovereignty; threatening the peace through the use of force and harboring terrorist and insurgents that target Israeli citizens.

Most Respectfully,
R

Load of crap. Rocco.

The Palestinians are defending their country.

What country, when was it declared and which treaties defined its borders with Egypt, Israel, Jordan etc. Who was the Palestinian negotiator that signed these treaties and were did the signing take place. Even the UN declares Palestine to be a nation without any land

 

[Phoenall]

Where would the non-Jews be expelled to? Do you really think that the world, the U.S. included would allow that level of ethnic cleansing? The Serbs tried that, see where it got them.

That did not matter when the ISLAMONAZI's expelled the Jews did it, so why should it matter now. But they can always go back to were they came from and throw themselves on the mercy of Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Iran and Syria. The world learnt many lessons in regards to the muslims and what happened in Serbia, and this is why so many arrest warrants are still in existence for muslim war criminals. Just look at the ethnic cleansing taking part in Palestine at the moment nearly 90% of the Christian population has been murdered, evicted or forced to convert in the last 10 years by hamas and fatah. And the world has said nothing at all, so why would it be any different if the Palestinians were kicked of Christian and Jewish land and sent back to Iran.

 

[Phoenall]

The Israeli's level entire neighborhoods with 2000 pound bombs, but its rock throwing kids that we need to stop.

There's something seriously wrong with this picture.

Yes the rock throwing kids parents should not be firing rockets at Israeli children then they would not see their homes flattened

 

[Billo_Really]

Yes the rock throwing kids parents should not be firing rockets at Israeli children then they would not see their homes flattened

Not a single home that was flattened, ever fired a rocket at Israel, or their children.

 

[Kondor3]

Yes the rock throwing kids parents should not be firing rockets at Israeli children then they would not see their homes flattened

Not a single home that was flattened, ever fired a rocket at Israel, or their children.

It really doesn't matter.

You seem to be hung up on the idea of Proportional Response.

You are dealing with an incendiary situation that the Israelis perceive as needful of an Overwhelming Response, in order to teach a lesson, on a case by case basis.

The Israelis were much closer to the idea of Proportional Response prior to the Intifadas.

Nowadays, they don't phukk around - you poke the bear with a stick, and the bear tries to take your head off.

And, because the bear is not going anywhere, and cannot be fought effectively to any useful end...

The best course of action is not to poke the bear with a stick.

This is not a difficult concept.

Actually, an even better course of action is to pack up and move to someplace where the bear isn't.

Fair has nothing to do with it.

This, too, is not a difficult concept.

 

[Billo_Really]

It really doesn't matter.

You seem to be hung up on the idea of Proportional Response.

You are dealing with an incendiary situation that the Israelis perceive as needful of an Overwhelming Response, in order to teach a lesson, on a case by case basis.

The Israelis were much closer to the idea of Proportional Response prior to the Intifadas.

Nowadays, they don't phukk around - you poke the bear with a stick, and the bear tries to take your head off.

And, because the bear is not going anywhere, and cannot be fought effectively to any useful end...

The best course of action is not to poke the bear with a stick.

This is not a difficult concept.

Actually, an even better course of action is to pack up and move to someplace where the bear isn't.

Fair has nothing to do with it.

This, too, is not a difficult concept.

American's believe the punishment should fit the crime. You don't.

 

[toastman]

It really doesn't matter.

You seem to be hung up on the idea of Proportional Response.

You are dealing with an incendiary situation that the Israelis perceive as needful of an Overwhelming Response, in order to teach a lesson, on a case by case basis.

The Israelis were much closer to the idea of Proportional Response prior to the Intifadas.

Nowadays, they don't phukk around - you poke the bear with a stick, and the bear tries to take your head off.

And, because the bear is not going anywhere, and cannot be fought effectively to any useful end...

The best course of action is not to poke the bear with a stick.

This is not a difficult concept.

Actually, an even better course of action is to pack up and move to someplace where the bear isn't.

Fair has nothing to do with it.

This, too, is not a difficult concept.

American's believe the punishment should fit the crime. You don't.

The American Government doesn't

 

[Billo_Really]

The American Government doesn't

That's because the government doesn't represent American's.

 

[toastman]

The American Government doesn't

That's because the government doesn't represent American's.

Yes they do. Weather you like it or not.

 

[Billo_Really]

Yes they do. Weather you like it or not.

No they don't. That's why they didn't show up at the polls. It's not our government. It's a corporate oligarchy.

 

[Kondor3]

...American's believe the punishment should fit the crime. You don't.

You really are a simple creature, Bilbo.

This is not an American issue - it is an Israeli-Palestinian issue - what you and I think about this is virtually meaningless.

What you say does not change in the slightest, the truth or accuracy of what I served up immediately prior to your response.

Oh, and when you can come back and tell us that you hold an Honorable Discharge from the US military, like I do, then I will take your implications of un-American-ism just a wee bit more seriously.

I wasn't even a combat vet, as are some of my brethren and sisters here, but I volunteered during wartime, and was simply sent elsewhere - but at least I showed up to the party during a time of danger and served my country and took and fulfilled an an oath to defend our Constitution, which I still consider operative, years after leaving active service.

I am acknowledged in my community as a veteran and as a loyal American citizen - with some considerable justification.

As it is, your implication that - if I do not think the same way you do on this issue, that I am un-American - is damned hilarious, boy.

Damned funny stuff there, junior.

Besides, you do not know whether or not I believe the punishment should fit the crime, in this or any other situation.

I did not pass a value-judgment upon the scenario.

I merely interpreted the scenario, in the context of common sense - a quality grotesquely and comically lacking on the part of the under-performing Palestinians.

But you continue in your naive, gullible, childish belief that 'fair' is somehow relevant, in this context.

One of these days, the light-bulb will go on, over your head, and you'll get it.

It's just that you aren't 'there' yet.

But I have faith in you, that, one day, you'll attain that lofty plateau of Realism - even if it takes a while.

 

[Kondor3]

The American Government doesn't

That's because the government doesn't represent American's.

Yes they do. Weather you like it or not.

Typical and un-realistic Hyper-Liberal response, isn't it? - the Government doesn't represent The People, because the Government doesn't collectively think or act the way that I (and those who think like me) want it to act. Dangerous folk, to be *****-slapped - hard, and often. Plenty of room at the American Political Table for Liberals, and Centrists, and Conservatives - but the Hyper types - on both ends of the spectrum - get to sit at the Kiddie Table, until they get themselves under control, and can deal with Reality.

 

[Phoenall]

Yes the rock throwing kids parents should not be firing rockets at Israeli children then they would not see their homes flattened

Not a single home that was flattened, ever fired a rocket at Israel, or their children.

EVIDENCE ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?