Robert E Lee

[Slash]

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Interesting. By "opposed slavery" do you mean to say him saying "The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. "

I mean he called slavery necessary. He OWNED slaves, and actually was taken to court and lost by holding free blacks as slaves. But hey, he opposed it.

Just like he opposed secession by joining the states seceding and taking up arms against the USA. Ted Bundy can talk all he wants about how he opposed murder. But his actions are what we judge him on.

And "impeachable integrity" Is that when Lee had to punish his slaves for the crime of escaping he was “not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.”

Maybe it was his response to the soldiers in the Battle of Mt Crater who slaughtered black Union troops trying to surrender by doing nothing at all to them.

Maybe it was his allowing his Army to abduct any free blacks they came across and enslave them?

Maybe he showed that "impeachable integrity" when Grant offered a POW exchange and asked for black soldiers to be returned as well and Lee responded “negroes belonging to our citizens are not considered subjects of exchange and were not included in my proposition.”

Or maybe it was that "impeachable integrity" that caused Lee to stop the Washington and Custis tradition of respecting slave families, by hiring them off to other plantations, and that by 1860 he had broken up every family but one on the estate, some of whom had been together since Mount Vernon days.

This is why we should read history from the mouths of those who lived it instead of wanting to re-write it based on memes and statues.

 

[Meathead]

Lee was an officer and a gentleman, in the truest sense. He was also brilliant commander who nearly led an inferior army to victory against all odds.

Political correctness and history rewritten changes nothing.

 

[Syriusly]

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Well Robert E. Lee did lead troops that killed American soldiers.

We generally frown upon people who intentionally kill American soldiers- not honor them.

 

[Syriusly]

It's just bullying and using any excuse to justify it. Because they have no valid supportive argument

Bullying of who? The statues?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Treason. Look it up.

You are a traitor ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

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Well Robert E. Lee did lead troops that killed American soldiers.

We generally frown upon people who intentionally kill American soldiers- not honor them.

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And he went to war against the United States .. criminal.

I'd take him over you any day of the year.

 

[Syriusly]

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D'souza is a phony 'intellectual' the right likes to trot out now and then. How convenient that this meme leaves out 'oh and he led an army against the United States, invaded the United States, and cause the deaths of tens of thousands of American soldiers. All for a group of states that wanted to preserve slavery.

Cons you are just looking for ANYTHING to support keeping all these images of slavery upright to continue to intimidate black people. You want to discuss Robert E Lee's life before the Civil War? Go to a library or a museum and knock yourself out.

Like it or not, this is part of America and our history.... I personally think arguing about statues is stupid. So many more important things going on

So we should have statues up honoring Benedict Arnold?

Really there is no reason to 'argue' about the statues- let the local communities decide.

Arrest any who vandalize or pull down statues illegally, but otherwise its the local communities decision- to honor Robert E. Lee or Benedict Arnold or Tokyo Rose.

 

[Political Junky]

Is there an argument against this?

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Well Robert E. Lee did lead troops that killed American soldiers.

We generally frown upon people who intentionally kill American soldiers- not honor them.

Is there an argument against this?

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And he went to war against the United States .. criminal.

I'd take him over you any day of the year.

No doubt.

 

[Syriusly]

Lee was an officer and a gentleman, in the truest sense. He was also brilliant commander who nearly led an inferior army to victory against all odds.

Political correctness and history rewritten changes nothing.

'nearly led an inferior army to victory'- against the troops of the United States- killing American soldiers.

Honor who you wish- but don't forget that Robert E. Lee was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American Army soldiers.

 

[Meathead]

Is there an argument against this?

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Well Robert E. Lee did lead troops that killed American soldiers.

We generally frown upon people who intentionally kill American soldiers- not honor them.

Assholes like you honor the like of Bradly Manning or whatever the fuck his/her name is now and Berdahl. Oh yeah, and the Beast for her bravery in the face of sniper fire in Bosnia.

 

[Syriusly]

Is there an argument against this?

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Well Robert E. Lee did lead troops that killed American soldiers.

We generally frown upon people who intentionally kill American soldiers- not honor them.

Assholes like you honor the like of Bradly Manning or whatever the fuck his/her name is now and Berdahl. Oh yeah, and the Beast for her bravery in the face of sniper fire in Bosnia.

Well I haven't honored Manning or Berdahl or suggested a statue going up for them- of course neither of them killed American troops like Robert E. Lee did.

Why do you want to honor a man who was responsible for the intentional deaths of thousands of American Army troops?

 

[Meathead]

Lee was an officer and a gentleman, in the truest sense. He was also brilliant commander who nearly led an inferior army to victory against all odds.

Political correctness and history rewritten changes nothing.

'nearly led an inferior army to victory'- against the troops of the United States- killing American soldiers.

Honor who you wish- but don't forget that Robert E. Lee was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American Army soldiers.

The South did not attack the North. The North initiated the war. It's akin to blaming Washington for fighting against England in a very real sense.

 

[Syriusly]

Is there an argument against this?

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Well Robert E. Lee did lead troops that killed American soldiers.

We generally frown upon people who intentionally kill American soldiers- not honor them.

Is there an argument against this?

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And he went to war against the United States .. criminal.

I'd take him over you any day of the year.

I guess you prefer people who kill American soldiers.

You heading to join ISIS soon?

 

[charwin95]

It's hard not to notice that in general, people who demand that statues be removed are fueled by emotion. They are not very attentive to factual details.

That is why the KKK, White Supremacist, Alt right, NAZIS -------- Idolize Gen. Lee. Those statues belong in museum.

 

[Syriusly]

Lee was an officer and a gentleman, in the truest sense. He was also brilliant commander who nearly led an inferior army to victory against all odds.

Political correctness and history rewritten changes nothing.

'nearly led an inferior army to victory'- against the troops of the United States- killing American soldiers.

Honor who you wish- but don't forget that Robert E. Lee was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American Army soldiers.

The South did not attack the North. The North initiated the war. It's akin to blaming Washington for fighting against England in a very real sense.

The South fired the very first shots of the war. The South initiated it all with its unconstitional attempt to split up the United States.

And t Robert E. Lee was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American Army soldiers.

When are you going to be raising your statue to the men who committed the attack on 9/11?

 

[Meathead]

Why do you want to honor a man who was responsible for the intentional deaths of thousands of American Army troops?

And yet we have a very large memorial to Abraham Lincoln in DC, a man that knew blacks were inferior and two slave owners and two slave owners about a mile away.

 

[Compost]

It's hard not to notice that in general, people who demand that statues be removed are fueled by emotion. They are not very attentive to factual details.

That is why the KKK, White Supremacist, Alt right, NAZIS -------- Idolize Gen. Lee. Those statues belong in museum.

Nice job proving your ignorance and emotion with that remark!

 

[charwin95]

Why do you want to honor a man who was responsible for the intentional deaths of thousands of American Army troops?

And yet we have a very large memorial to Abraham Lincoln in DC, a man that knew blacks were inferior and two slave owners and two slave owners about a mile away.

Wrong comparison dude.

During that time anyone that can afford slaves have slaves that includes rich blacks or Abraham Lincoln.

Gen. Robert Lee wants to legitimize slavery even after the civil war. That blacks do not have rights and only white power. Purely racism, bigotry and hatred. That's the difference dude.


Let's say as an example your great grand parents, uncles, cousins were brutalized, rapes and keep raping, molesting kids or murdered some just for fun. Here's Gen. Lee fighting to make sure slavery is a law and killed thousands of soldiers who are fighting against slavery, racism and bigotry. You go to a park or school you see these monuments or pictures right at your face. How do you feel?

If you are a supporter or a member of KKK, NAZIS, White Supremacist, Alt Right or other hate groups ------ Then Gen. Lee is your god.

Racism must be STOP and should be STOP NOW.

 

[Meathead]

Why do you want to honor a man who was responsible for the intentional deaths of thousands of American Army troops?

And yet we have a very large memorial to Abraham Lincoln in DC, a man that knew blacks were inferior and two slave owners and two slave owners about a mile away.

Wrong comparison dude.

During that time anyone that can afford slaves have slaves that includes rich blacks or Abraham Lincoln.

Gen. Robert Lee wants to legitimize slavery even after the civil war. That blacks do not have rights and only white power. Purely racism, bigotry and hatred. That's the difference dude.


Let's say as an example your great grand parents, uncles, cousins were brutalized, rapes and keep raping, molesting kids or murdered some just for fun. Here's Gen. Lee fighting to make sure slavery is a law and killed thousands of soldiers who are fighting against slavery, racism and bigotry. You go to a park or school you see these monuments or pictures right at your face. How do you feel?

If you are a supporter or a member of KKK, NAZIS, White Supremacist, Alt Right or other hate groups ------ Then Gen. Lee is your god.

Racism must be STOP and should be STOP NOW.

You are one sick puppy. You still don't get why the left lost. Keep spewing ignorant and hateful BS. People notice.

 

[Yarddog]

Treason. Look it up.

Lee was an officer and a gentleman, in the truest sense. He was also brilliant commander who nearly led an inferior army to victory against all odds.

Political correctness and history rewritten changes nothing.

'nearly led an inferior army to victory'- against the troops of the United States- killing American soldiers.

Honor who you wish- but don't forget that Robert E. Lee was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American Army soldiers.

The South did not attack the North. The North initiated the war. It's akin to blaming Washington for fighting against England in a very real sense.

The South fired the very first shots of the war. The South initiated it all with its unconstitional attempt to split up the United States.

And t Robert E. Lee was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American Army soldiers.

When are you going to be raising your statue to the men who committed the attack on 9/11?

Which ever way you want to argue this, that is a horrible comparison. It was a civil war which is now over for some time and part of the issue is looking at how much it is worth to attack every symbol of the south, when that same action will create tensions between Americans, possibly damaging relations between fellow citizens.

Why would we ever raise a monument to non- American terrorists who only targeted civilians? There is very little reference at all except that they are people who took lives. I cant see that comparison providing any insight into anything