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Get the vaccine, don't be stupid. It has nothing to do with "freedom" it has to do with stopping the pandemic.
If they ever try to take our guns, sign me up. But for now, just get vaccinated.
Do you know what "viral load" is?Do you know what transmission means? That is a serious question
How am I moving goal posts? I want the pandemic over ASAP.You keep moving the goal posts.
If there were serious side-effects they would have shown up already.You’re honestly not “worried” about your heart exploding from a blood clot?
How many other times in your life have you volunteered to be a lab rat and take an experimental vaccine?
The shot lasts about 6 months and we’re giving our booster shots to the countries that don’t provide health care for their own citizens.I had covid without vaccination.
I have over 10 friends with covid and all were vaccinated.
4 family members with the vaccination, have covid.
The fact is the vaccines were rushed. Vaccines take many years to be approved. That is how it typically works.
These Vaccines were pretty quick in being developed and now we are hearing about the upcoming mandate of a booster.
Uhhh huh..
So, well over 50% of the people I associate myself with have covid after getting the vaccine.
So I am asking. If the Vaccines are so good and trustworthy, why this move to the boosters that will be enforced (trust that?)
Any medical people here want to tell me how the Vaccines aren't working but if I get the booster it will?
Cause the Vaccines that the left are pushing on us..clearly aren't working.
Unless someone can explain why so many with the vaccine are getting covid.
Why is that? Hmmmmm?
Thanks for the explanation, I'm sure you know your stuff.The vaccine is not going to stop the pandemic. That is objectively inaccurate. These vaccines are what's known as "infection-permissive non-sterilizing vaccines." Meaning they do not prevent the targeted virus from infecting the vaccinated host or prevent viral replication from occurring. Therefore, not only does the vaccinated host undergo viral shedding (thus transmitting the virus to others), but in addition, the viral replication that occurs in hosts vaccinated with this type of vaccine results in virus variants known as "vaccine-escape mutations." These types of mutations regularly occur with other infection-permissive non-sterilizing vaccines (such as the trivalent influenza vaccines).
Equally significant is the fact that there are at least three known domestic animal viral vectors that are cross-infective with humans (including dogs). That alone makes the mask and vaccine mandates asinine, as it would be impossible to have domestic pets wear masks.
Lastly is the concerns raised by earlier peer reviewed research on the potential for mass vaccination with such vaccines to enhance the transmission of highly virulent variants. See, e.g., Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens
View attachment 528044Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens
Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens? Conventional wisdom is that natural selection will remove highly lethal pathogens if host death greatly reduces transmission. Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
View attachment 528043Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens
Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens? Conventional wisdom is that natural selection will remove highly lethal pathogens if host death greatly reduces transmission. Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
How is it that any full-blooded freedom loving American of any background, of any culture or ethnic origin or political slant, would even consider bowing down and kissing the feet of totalitarian rule?
If there were serious side-effects they would have shown up already.
That said, I would feel much better if the vaccines had 100% FDA approval.
It bothers me that they aren't fully approved yet, but are now pushing booster shots? WTF?
At this present moment (checking my watch) August 18, 2021, the population of these United States appears to be divided, actively, into two main groups: Americans who accept overt, blatant COVID-19 vaccine dictatorships arisen recently in their local governments and private businesses, and Americans (in the minority) who could be preparing to resist this developing tyranny with force of arms or by the sword, so to speak.
How is it that any full-blooded freedom loving American of any background, of any culture or ethnic origin or political slant, would even consider bowing down and kissing the feet of totalitarian rule? That is the question on the minds of many of my fellow countrymen today. If YOU, as an American, love the freedoms you were born entitled to exercise, such as walking or driving anywhere you choose, shopping anyplace you like, or choosing to decline ANY medical procedure without punishment, then there's just no way in Hell YOU can support, promote or stand for taking it up the ass with a public government or private employer/business mandated COVID vaccination. And if YOU are (taking it up the ass, at the point of a forced dripping needle) you can no longer call, classify or think of yourself as a FREE human being, let alone a free citizen of these United States.
New York City and some other places here in the U.S. are forging the way, as we speak, into totalitarian rule and iron fisted enforcement of totalitarian edicts. While there's no way to accurately predict the near future, many of my fellow veterans, close friends and some family members are scared shitless today thinking tomorrow will bring vaccine mandates from their employers, local governments and/or the places they buy food, clothing, etc. Personally, that pisses me off—seeing fear in the eyes of those I care for most.
And what about our children? What about those born and those yet to come? What kind of future do all you parents out there beyond internet land hope your children get to have? A future where some teapot local dictator or Walmart manager forces them to get an experimental injection in order to fucking survive in society on a day to day basis? Do you want your children to live in constant fear of their government, teachers, fast food workers? If that does not seem like a big deal to you . . . or you believe being vaccinated equals an American's patriotic duty, then you are a broken soul and quite possibly beyond the point of no return as a human being fit to live in a free society.
As an American just how much of your waning freedom are YOU willing to surrender in the name of forced compliance? What politician's whim will be too much for you to swallow? What's next? A murder lottery in the name of population control to save the environment? Will YOU willingly participate in that as well? Who else, today, is feeling sickened by the level of his or her fellow Americans kowtowing to rising COVID dictatorships?
Wrong. Letting the virus run its course is the quickest way to herd immunity.How am I moving goal posts? I want the pandemic over ASAP.
Vaccinations are the quickest way to "herd immunity"
At this present moment (checking my watch) August 18, 2021, the population of these United States appears to be divided, actively, into two main groups: Americans who accept overt, blatant COVID-19 vaccine dictatorships arisen recently in their local governments and private businesses, and Americans (in the minority) who could be preparing to resist this developing tyranny with force of arms or by the sword, so to speak.
How is it that any full-blooded freedom loving American of any background, of any culture or ethnic origin or political slant, would even consider bowing down and kissing the feet of totalitarian rule? That is the question on the minds of many of my fellow countrymen today. If YOU, as an American, love the freedoms you were born entitled to exercise, such as walking or driving anywhere you choose, shopping anyplace you like, or choosing to decline ANY medical procedure without punishment, then there's just no way in Hell YOU can support, promote or stand for taking it up the ass with a public government or private employer/business mandated COVID vaccination. And if YOU are (taking it up the ass, at the point of a forced dripping needle) you can no longer call, classify or think of yourself as a FREE human being, let alone a free citizen of these United States.
New York City and some other places here in the U.S. are forging the way, as we speak, into totalitarian rule and iron fisted enforcement of totalitarian edicts. While there's no way to accurately predict the near future, many of my fellow veterans, close friends and some family members are scared shitless today thinking tomorrow will bring vaccine mandates from their employers, local governments and/or the places they buy food, clothing, etc. Personally, that pisses me off—seeing fear in the eyes of those I care for most.
And what about our children? What about those born and those yet to come? What kind of future do all you parents out there beyond internet land hope your children get to have? A future where some teapot local dictator or Walmart manager forces them to get an experimental injection in order to fucking survive in society on a day to day basis? Do you want your children to live in constant fear of their government, teachers, fast food workers? If that does not seem like a big deal to you . . . or you believe being vaccinated equals an American's patriotic duty, then you are a broken soul and quite possibly beyond the point of no return as a human being fit to live in a free society.
As an American just how much of your waning freedom are YOU willing to surrender in the name of forced compliance? What politician's whim will be too much for you to swallow? What's next? A murder lottery in the name of population control to save the environment? Will YOU willingly participate in that as well? Who else, today, is feeling sickened by the level of his or her fellow Americans kowtowing to rising COVID dictatorships?
Wrong. Letting the virus run its course is the quickest way to herd immunity.
Wait a minute….you’re bothered about FDA approval but that didn’t seem to be a concern when you chastised everyone to GET THE SHOT in your first response to this thread….Second thoughts?If there were serious side-effects they would have shown up already.
That said, I would feel much better if the vaccines had 100% FDA approval.
It bothers me that they aren't fully approved yet, but are now pushing booster shots? WTF?
How many unnecessary deaths would that option bring?Wrong. Letting the virus run its course is the quickest way to herd immunity.
Exactly, are the vaccines safe or not? You would think that the fucking FDA would have made a call by now.Wait a minute…you're bothered about FDA approval but that didn’t seem to be a concern when you chastised everyone to GET THE SHOT in your first response to this thread…second thoughts?
How many unnecessary deaths would that option bring?
Intensive cares are at capacity already.
Ah but there in lies the problem…You didn’t allow for people to make their own informed decision at first, what changed?Exactly, are the vaccines safe or not? You would think that the fucking FDA would have made a call by now.
If they are safe say so and approve them.
If there are issues, then explain them so people can evaluate the risks. I'm old, so I'll take the vaccine over risking covid. Our kids and grandkids may prefer to risk covid over long term vaccine issues.