Rightwing backlash against smart, educated people like Dr Tyson

[Stephanie]

oh luds believes he hit the jackpot with this ugly article

but he hate us or anyone who doesn't think or believe as he does just as much as the person who wrote that article, so it's quite fitting I guess

 

[Esmeralda]

Stephanie, what I stated was a fact. Perhaps you don't know anything about Mao. I have been to China and stayed in the homes of Chinese people. I spent an evening at the home of a couple, teachers, who had been made to work on farms during the Cultural Revolution instead of practicing their profession. I have had two very close friendships with people who lived through the Cultural Revolution. One of my friends' husbands is a physicist now, and both he and she have university degrees, but during the Cultural Revolution both of them were pulled out of high school for a few years and made to work on agricultural communes.

I know that Mao persecuted intellectuals. That was the point I was making. The rightwing in America, nowadays anyway and certainly this concept is found over and over again in threads on USMB, seems to revile intellectuals: teachers, artists, philosophers, the highly educated, etc. I made an observation based on my direct experience and my knowledge of history. You find that offensive for some reason, which is astounding. Read all the threads here in which the Right reviles teachers and intellectuals and tell me I am wrong.

You have no ability to think outside your narrow little black and white world of them versus us. You think the entire world is made up of the kind of right and left partisanship we see in America today. Perhaps you even think Mao was on the right track.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Read all the threads here in which the Right reviles teachers and intellectuals and tell me I am wrong.

As has been explained, no one is "reviling" these folks for their positions as teachers and intellectuals, they're being criticized for corrupting their disciplines by using them as cover to push leftist propaganda.

Meanwhile, the Western Left has learned from the communists how to treat people who displease them. Witness the fates of Dr. James Watson, Dr. Larry Summers, Dr. Jason Richwine, and Brendan Eich. Lives destroyed by liberal zealots.

 

[Esmeralda]

Read all the threads here in which the Right reviles teachers and intellectuals and tell me I am wrong.

As has been explained, no one is "reviling" these folks for their positions as teachers and intellectuals, they're being criticized for corrupting their disciplines by using them as cover to push leftist propaganda.
Meanwhile, the Western Left has learned from the communists how to treat people who displease them. Witness the fates of Dr. James Watson, Dr. Larry Summers, Dr. Jason Richwine, and Brendan Eich. Lives destroyed by liberal zealots.

Teachers are not leftwing propagandists. That is a myth perpetuated by rightwingers who think in terms of them versus us. There are just as many teachers who are conservative politically and socially as there are teachers who are liberal. There is no propaganda machine in the teaching profession. That's a nutty conspiracy theory. Extremists at either end don't do well in our public schools: the schools represent the broad base of ideology across the nation, from reasonable conservativism to reasonable liberalism. Thinking anything else makes you a paranoid or an extremist who can't accept the middle ground.

Anyone who constantly says educators in America are all leftwing propagandists is someone who does not know how to think. It is a ludicrous assertion without any logical basis. Half of your teachers are conservatives for God's sake. Get a brain.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Read all the threads here in which the Right reviles teachers and intellectuals and tell me I am wrong.

As has been explained, no one is "reviling" these folks for their positions as teachers and intellectuals, they're being criticized for corrupting their disciplines by using them as cover to push leftist propaganda.
Meanwhile, the Western Left has learned from the communists how to treat people who displease them. Witness the fates of Dr. James Watson, Dr. Larry Summers, Dr. Jason Richwine, and Brendan Eich. Lives destroyed by liberal zealots.

Teachers are not leftwing propagandists. That is a myth perpetuated by rightwingers who think in terms of them versus us. There are just as many teachers who are conservative politically and socially as there are teachers who are liberal. There is no propaganda machine in the teaching profession. That's a nutty conspiracy theory. Extremists at either end don't do well in our public schools: the schools represent the broad base of ideology across the nation, from reasonable conservativism to reasonable liberalism. Thinking anything else makes you a paranoid or an extremist who can't accept the middle ground.

Anyone who constantly says educators in America are all leftwing propagandists is someone who does not know how to think. It is a ludicrous assertion without any logical basis. Half of your teachers are conservatives for God's sake. Get a brain.

You don't seem to understand the distinction between a profession being captured by the left and all practitioners being leftists.

Here's a conservative who wanted to be a teacher.

Washington State University (WSU) repealed partisan evaluative criteria used to punish a student whose views on diversity and gun control differed with those of other professors at WSU. Student Ed Swan had received poor evaluative teaching marks on his “dispositions” criteria, which had “required students to have a commitment to vague ideological concepts such as “appreciat[ing] and valu[ing] human diversity,” sensitivity to “community and cultural norms,” and respecting “others’ varied talents and perspectives.” Swan was penalized for admitting that he opposes gun control and does not believe that white privilege and male privilege exist, and was forced to sign a contract submitting him to more ideological litmus tests. FIRE intervened on behalf of Swan so he could have a clear a path to graduation, first convincing WSU to not use “dispositions” in an unconstitutional manner; WSU eventually revamped the dispositions evaluation forms that contained the unconstitutional requirements.​

So being a silent conservative and actually having to implement leftist nuttery in class, like reading "My Two Mommies" to your students because the liberal machinery in education ORDERS you to apparently is seen by you as a conservative being a conservative.

 

[Esmeralda]

You cite one anecdotal case, one which may be lifted from some right wing blog and presented out of context, or without the full context, in order to promote an agenda. Shows a real limit on your part of critical thinking skills.

Most parents, conservatives and liberals alike, are fine with our our teachers and do not believe our schools are leftwing propaganda machines. It is the extreme right and extreme conservatives who think our schools are "captured" and controlled by the left. It is just silly nonsense. As it is the case that half of our teachers are conservatives, half of our parents and families are too. Unless they are extremists, they are fine with the schools. They know they have the right to involve themselves in their children's education and to object to or question anything they think is out of order.

It is people like you who make it a problem, constantly screeching that the schools are nothing more than leftwing propaganda machines.

 

[Esmeralda]

As has been explained, no one is "reviling" these folks for their positions as teachers and intellectuals, they're being criticized for corrupting their disciplines by using them as cover to push leftist propaganda.
Meanwhile, the Western Left has learned from the communists how to treat people who displease them. Witness the fates of Dr. James Watson, Dr. Larry Summers, Dr. Jason Richwine, and Brendan Eich. Lives destroyed by liberal zealots.

Teachers are not leftwing propagandists. That is a myth perpetuated by rightwingers who think in terms of them versus us. There are just as many teachers who are conservative politically and socially as there are teachers who are liberal. There is no propaganda machine in the teaching profession. That's a nutty conspiracy theory. Extremists at either end don't do well in our public schools: the schools represent the broad base of ideology across the nation, from reasonable conservativism to reasonable liberalism. Thinking anything else makes you a paranoid or an extremist who can't accept the middle ground.

Anyone who constantly says educators in America are all leftwing propagandists is someone who does not know how to think. It is a ludicrous assertion without any logical basis. Half of your teachers are conservatives for God's sake. Get a brain.

You don't seem to understand the distinction between a profession being captured by the left and all practitioners being leftists.

Here's a conservative who wanted to be a teacher.

Washington State University (WSU) repealed partisan evaluative criteria used to punish a student whose views on diversity and gun control differed with those of other professors at WSU. Student Ed Swan had received poor evaluative teaching marks on his “dispositions” criteria, which had “required students to have a commitment to vague ideological concepts such as “appreciat[ing] and valu[ing] human diversity,” sensitivity to “community and cultural norms,” and respecting “others’ varied talents and perspectives.” Swan was penalized for admitting that he opposes gun control and does not believe that white privilege and male privilege exist, and was forced to sign a contract submitting him to more ideological litmus tests. FIRE intervened on behalf of Swan so he could have a clear a path to graduation, first convincing WSU to not use “dispositions” in an unconstitutional manner; WSU eventually revamped the dispositions evaluation forms that contained the unconstitutional requirements.​

So being a silent conservative and actually having to implement leftist nuttery in class, like reading "My Two Mommies" to your students because the liberal machinery in education ORDERS you to apparently is seen by you as a conservative being a conservative.

If this is even in part true, he was probably prostelsizing to his students about issues that had nothing to do with the course he taught. For example, a math teacher going on and on about gun control and other issues of his rightwing take on reality. There are no specifics about this case, hence why I suggest it is lifted from some rightwing blog that has edited it to look like something it isn't.

The 'My Two Mommies' example is another rightwing myth used to perpetuate your attack on education as being leftwing propaganda. What do you want? Do you want schools to teach kids that it's okay to hate other kids whose parents don't live the lifestyle conservatives believe to be okay? Are schools to allow bullying and taunting of kids who don't fit what the Right considers acceptable? Are schools supposed to show no respect for different cultures, religions, lifestyles, races? What you want is a purely conservative, Christian take on education: therefore, send your kids to Christian schools. End of. Or else accept the diversity that is America.

 

[Political Junky]

Is it any wonder that our schools have such low ratings compared to the rest of the civilized nations? We used to be a leader.

 

[Meathead]

As has been explained, no one is "reviling" these folks for their positions as teachers and intellectuals, they're being criticized for corrupting their disciplines by using them as cover to push leftist propaganda.
Meanwhile, the Western Left has learned from the communists how to treat people who displease them. Witness the fates of Dr. James Watson, Dr. Larry Summers, Dr. Jason Richwine, and Brendan Eich. Lives destroyed by liberal zealots.

Teachers are not leftwing propagandists. That is a myth perpetuated by rightwingers who think in terms of them versus us. There are just as many teachers who are conservative politically and socially as there are teachers who are liberal. There is no propaganda machine in the teaching profession. That's a nutty conspiracy theory. Extremists at either end don't do well in our public schools: the schools represent the broad base of ideology across the nation, from reasonable conservativism to reasonable liberalism. Thinking anything else makes you a paranoid or an extremist who can't accept the middle ground.

Anyone who constantly says educators in America are all leftwing propagandists is someone who does not know how to think. It is a ludicrous assertion without any logical basis. Half of your teachers are conservatives for God's sake. Get a brain.

You don't seem to understand the distinction between a profession being captured by the left and all practitioners being leftists.

Here's a conservative who wanted to be a teacher.

Washington State University (WSU) repealed partisan evaluative criteria used to punish a student whose views on diversity and gun control differed with those of other professors at WSU. Student Ed Swan had received poor evaluative teaching marks on his “dispositions” criteria, which had “required students to have a commitment to vague ideological concepts such as “appreciat[ing] and valu[ing] human diversity,” sensitivity to “community and cultural norms,” and respecting “others’ varied talents and perspectives.” Swan was penalized for admitting that he opposes gun control and does not believe that white privilege and male privilege exist, and was forced to sign a contract submitting him to more ideological litmus tests. FIRE intervened on behalf of Swan so he could have a clear a path to graduation, first convincing WSU to not use “dispositions” in an unconstitutional manner; WSU eventually revamped the dispositions evaluation forms that contained the unconstitutional requirements.​

So being a silent conservative and actually having to implement leftist nuttery in class, like reading "My Two Mommies" to your students because the liberal machinery in education ORDERS you to apparently is seen by you as a conservative being a conservative.

I've little doubt that there is an ideological litmus test for school teachers. The ability to teach is doubtless a distant second to political correctness and the purity of thought demanded by their unions.

It is not surprising then, that we are generating generations of self-righteous and semi-literate students. If you can't afford to send your kids to a private school, may as well send them to a madrasa in Dearborn or Pakistan.

 

[Stephanie]

You can only laugh with pity mixed in at people like that author

get the title for starters: and then he goes on to rant about how rwinger hate the educated and snipe about other's

Rightwing backlash against smart, educated people like Dr Tyson

what a jerk, but it gave some here thrills. those that are just like him and who believes they are above everyone else

 

[Steven_R]

I love physicists.

And we love you.

We'll love you more if you get on some grant funding committees. Just saying...

 

[Steven_R]

WTF is wrong with Tyson? I love physicists.

The complaint about Tyson is when he leverages his celebrity for liberal political purposes. Just stick to explaining science and no one complains.

On a more fundamental level, Tyson is a celebrity because he's black. Look at his accomplishments in his field - his publication record is pathetic. He isn't an acclaimed physicist who earned his acclaim due to accomplishments, he's a famous physicist because he's black and breaks stereotypes. He's following the Obama route - no accomplishments, being rewarded for being black.

I'm not sure that's fair. Dr. Tyson has complained that he simply doesn't have time to do the science end of his job (e.g. time in labs, writing papers, begging for grant money, exploiting grad students) simply because he spends all his time doing other stuff like writing books, running the Hayden Planetarium, spending time doing science communication, killing planets, and so on. He also didn't intended to get away from doing hard science in favor of science communication and just sort of fell into it, but he's good at it, and popularizing science is very important.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why does the left wing do the same fucking thing, asshole? Why the fuck don't you pull you head out of your ass and look around at the real world instead of pretending that you are smart enough to actually debate things based on the posturing of idiots?

Why I defend Bjorn Lomborg | The Prussian

The Liberals' War on Science - Scientific American

Idiots will be idiots I guess, and Duddly do Wrong is an idiot.

@Quantum Windbag

No sarcasm, not being nasty, just stating the truth when I say that coming from you, this is a true compliment.

Thanks very much.

Okay, you're back on ignore.

Yep. Being told I can't think by folks like Stephanie and Windbag is a real compliment. They have only a narrow, biased perspective on reality and few critical thinking skills. They exist in a black and white world of them versus us, of everything on Earth being rightwing or leftwing, of complete tunnel vision and partisanship.

Anyone that thinks Democrats are smarter just because they are Democrats, while ignoring the fact that Democrats routinely trash science, can't think. If you take me pointing that out as a compliment, it just shows how close minded and ignorant you chose to be.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Stephanie, what I stated was a fact. Perhaps you don't know anything about Mao. I have been to China and stayed in the homes of Chinese people. I spent an evening at the home of a couple, teachers, who had been made to work on farms during the Cultural Revolution instead of practicing their profession. I have had two very close friendships with people who lived through the Cultural Revolution. One of my friends' husbands is a physicist now, and both he and she have university degrees, but during the Cultural Revolution both of them were pulled out of high school for a few years and made to work on agricultural communes.

I know that Mao persecuted intellectuals. That was the point I was making. The rightwing in America, nowadays anyway and certainly this concept is found over and over again in threads on USMB, seems to revile intellectuals: teachers, artists, philosophers, the highly educated, etc. I made an observation based on my direct experience and my knowledge of history. You find that offensive for some reason, which is astounding. Read all the threads here in which the Right reviles teachers and intellectuals and tell me I am wrong.

You have no ability to think outside your narrow little black and white world of them versus us. You think the entire world is made up of the kind of right and left partisanship we see in America today. Perhaps you even think Mao was on the right track.

Would you like me to point out all the examples of the left wing persecuting intellectuals who depart from the approved speech codes, or would you personal hatred render them all irrelevant?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Read all the threads here in which the Right reviles teachers and intellectuals and tell me I am wrong.

As has been explained, no one is "reviling" these folks for their positions as teachers and intellectuals, they're being criticized for corrupting their disciplines by using them as cover to push leftist propaganda.
Meanwhile, the Western Left has learned from the communists how to treat people who displease them. Witness the fates of Dr. James Watson, Dr. Larry Summers, Dr. Jason Richwine, and Brendan Eich. Lives destroyed by liberal zealots.

Teachers are not leftwing propagandists. That is a myth perpetuated by rightwingers who think in terms of them versus us. There are just as many teachers who are conservative politically and socially as there are teachers who are liberal. There is no propaganda machine in the teaching profession. That's a nutty conspiracy theory. Extremists at either end don't do well in our public schools: the schools represent the broad base of ideology across the nation, from reasonable conservativism to reasonable liberalism. Thinking anything else makes you a paranoid or an extremist who can't accept the middle ground.

Anyone who constantly says educators in America are all leftwing propagandists is someone who does not know how to think. It is a ludicrous assertion without any logical basis. Half of your teachers are conservatives for God's sake. Get a brain.

Some are, and the fact that you ignore that fact is indicative of the entire fucking problem in this country.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You cite one anecdotal case, one which may be lifted from some right wing blog and presented out of context, or without the full context, in order to promote an agenda. Shows a real limit on your part of critical thinking skills.

Most parents, conservatives and liberals alike, are fine with our our teachers and do not believe our schools are leftwing propaganda machines. It is the extreme right and extreme conservatives who think our schools are "captured" and controlled by the left. It is just silly nonsense. As it is the case that half of our teachers are conservatives, half of our parents and families are too. Unless they are extremists, they are fine with the schools. They know they have the right to involve themselves in their children's education and to object to or question anything they think is out of order.

It is people like you who make it a problem, constantly screeching that the schools are nothing more than leftwing propaganda machines.

I suggest you go look up the work FIRE does, you might be surprised to find out how bad it really is out there.

Then again, you would probably support speech codes that stifle opposing viewpoints, it would make your life easier of people like me couldn't throw facts in you way.

Like this one.

Hope a real liberal doesn't upset your Progressive idiocracy too much.

(I lied, I hope it destroys it.)

There is a disturbing story how this week concerning the U.S. Civil Rights Commission and specifically Commissioner Michael Yaki, a Democratic appointee who was a former senior adviser to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. Yaki spoke on sexual harassment law in education, a subject on which I have previously written to express my concerns over the loss of due process rights for accused students. Yaki’s comments however seem to threaten core free speech principles as he laid out his view of the need to curtail harmful speech. Yaki spoke of the need to outlaw unpopular or what he considers degrading speech because college students are too impressionable.
He highlighted the types of speech that he want banned as including certain types of fraternity or parody displays considered offensive. He also included pageants as possible speech crimes due to the dangers inherent in “a situation involving women” in which they “parade around in skimpy clothing and turn in some show or something.”
He then added: “I mean where do you think you can, that the university can’t deal with ensuring the route it has environment that is not oppressive or hostile because obviously a campus, especially certain types of campuses where there’s a lot of — where — that are geographically compact, that have a lot of working and living situations in a close area to create a campus atmosphere . . . Doesn’t that gravitate toward having greater ability to proscribe certain types of conduct that have the ability to escalate beyond what anyone would consider to be reasonable or acceptable?”
Whatever that may mean, Yaki then made the most dangerous turn of his comments in suggesting that speech limitations are appropriate on college campuses under the same theory as applied to elementary students: “It has to do with science. More and more, the vast majority, in fact — I think — overall in bodies of science is that young people, not just K through 12 but also between the ages of 16 to 20, 21 is where the brain is still in a stage of development.” Yaki’s distinction between “the juvenile or adolescent or young adult brain processes information” and “adult brains” would allow for sweeping speech limitations. He simply declared that even college brains are “vastly different from the way that we adults do.” He added that “when we sit back and talk about what is right or wrong in terms of First Amendment jurisprudence from a reasonable person’s standpoint, we are really not looking into the same referential viewpoint.” This distinction, he argued, offers “very good and compelling reasons why broader policies and prohibitions on conduct in activities and in some instances speech are acceptable on a college campus level that might not be acceptable say in an adult work environment or in an adult situation.”

Democratic Commissioner Suggests Need For Greater Speech Limitations On College Campuses | JONATHAN TURLEY

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Is it any wonder that our schools have such low ratings compared to the rest of the civilized nations? We used to be a leader.

After years of Democrats throwing money at them? Not in the least.

 

[Old Rocks]

It's interesting the people the Right hates the most: teachers, artists, muscians, philosophers, the highly educated, etc. The same people Mao hated and forced to work on farms instead of practicing their professions.

Do the political opinions of actors or musicians gain any stature from their expertise in music or theater?

Misusing authority or trust or station or position in order to advance any political position is not really something that should be admired.

And what's with this cockamamie notion that the Right doesn't like highly educated people? It's not the education which is off-putting, it's the liberal dogma being wrapped in a shiny new package by highly educated liberals that is objectionable. Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't disguise the pig.

Another dumb fuck that believes politics outweighs science when when addressing reality.

The right wing has denied reality in nearly every sphere for the last decade. They have earned the contempt of those with an education.

 

[Rikurzhen]

It's interesting the people the Right hates the most: teachers, artists, muscians, philosophers, the highly educated, etc. The same people Mao hated and forced to work on farms instead of practicing their professions.

Do the political opinions of actors or musicians gain any stature from their expertise in music or theater?

Misusing authority or trust or station or position in order to advance any political position is not really something that should be admired.

And what's with this cockamamie notion that the Right doesn't like highly educated people? It's not the education which is off-putting, it's the liberal dogma being wrapped in a shiny new package by highly educated liberals that is objectionable. Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't disguise the pig.

Another dumb fuck that believes politics outweighs science when when addressing reality.

The right wing has denied reality in nearly every sphere for the last decade. They have earned the contempt of those with an education.

And this from a guy whose compatriots, liberals, tend to believe that Astrology is a science.

 

[Political Junky]

Do the political opinions of actors or musicians gain any stature from their expertise in music or theater?

Misusing authority or trust or station or position in order to advance any political position is not really something that should be admired.

And what's with this cockamamie notion that the Right doesn't like highly educated people? It's not the education which is off-putting, it's the liberal dogma being wrapped in a shiny new package by highly educated liberals that is objectionable. Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't disguise the pig.

Another dumb fuck that believes politics outweighs science when when addressing reality.

The right wing has denied reality in nearly every sphere for the last decade. They have earned the contempt of those with an education.

And this from a guy whose compatriots, liberals, tend to believe that Astrology is a science.

Reagan ran his administration on astrology ... nice try.