Right wing militia detains 200 migrants at gun point on New Mexico!! HELL YEAH!

[busybee01]

The Governor does not have the legal power to disregard the laws of this nation. That is not his job.

Leftist shitbags rationalize sanctuary policy by saying it's not their job to enforce federal law but that's not really the issue at all. No one is asking the governor of New Mexico to conduct ICE raids or check the status of suspected illegals.
It's an absurd straw man lie.

When a state directly orders employees NOT to speak or communicate with federal immigration officers under any circumstances, for instance, that crosses a line and sanctuary officials have gone from a hands off stance to actively
opposing US federal law.

MIchelle Lujan Grisham doesn't get to decide which laws she wants to follow or not. That's what Jim Crow politicians did.
She isn't entitled to pick and choose in an ala carte manner which laws she will deign to observe.

That's an absolute break down of law and order and the matter should be brought up to the Supreme Court. I can't believe it isn't illegal and improper to simply ignore the laws you don't wish to obey. ******* leftists liars!

Local officials are under no obligation to enforce federal laws. The Supreme Court made it clear that immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility. It has nothing to do with Jim Crow laws.

They arrested people that were helping to enforce the laws. That is more than just NOT enforcing them, that is actively undermining them.

No one says that these militias can enforce any laws. They are not trained in law enforcement and they are accountable to no one. Vigilantes should be arrested.

 

[busybee01]

Militias need to be destroyed. Militia members blew up the federal building in OKC. Militias are a threat to this country.

Militias have been given no authority to enforce laws so detaining people is kidnapping. Even the Border Patrol says people should call rather than taking the law into their own hands.

Ya and democrats call BP kidnappers..

At the end of the day we will be taking our country back.

We have been invaded by with supremacists and neo-nazis who have taken over the Republican Party.

If your kind left the country, the national IQ would double.

Wow. Stupider than I thought.


"With supremacists" and "neo nazis" are an irrelevant fringe in this society and only a lying asshole would claim otherwise.


To be clear, you are the lying asshole I was talking about.

You are the lying little asshole., Filth like you is a national disgrace.

You know what would have made that post really powerful?


If you had backed up your claim that I was lying, with a link proving that my claim,

ie, that "With supremacists" and "neo nazis" are an irrelevant fringe in this society and only a lying asshole would claim otherwise.



to some study or something that proved that white supremacists and neo nazis are a major force in America.



Funny you didn't do that....


Almost as though you know that you CAN'T.


To be clear, for the slower among us,


I challenge you to back up your shit claim, that white supremacists and neo nazis are a major force in America..



I look forward to seeing whether you do the norm lib response, and dodge or deflect, or whether you are stupid enough to even TRY to back up this shit, and if so, what incredible shit you post to try to do so.


FUn times.

The Proud Boys were invited to speak by Republicans in NY
2018 Virginia Republican Senate candidate Corey Stewart had ties to white supremacists
Stephen King R-Iowa
Trump's refusal to condemn white supremacists and neo-nazis in Charlottesville
Tennessee Republicans block a bill to condemn white supremacists and neo-nazis

1. The Proud Boys are not neo nazis.

2. Trump did condemn the white supremacists and neo nazis in charlottesville repeatedly. That you lie about that, shows that you know you need to lie.

1. They are a neo-Nazi group.

2. All you have to look at is then Chief of Staff General Kelly with his face buried in his hands. Trump tried to equate neo-nazis and white supremacists with peaceful protestors who were assaulted with 1 killed.

 

[busybee01]

The Proud Boys were invited to speak by Republicans in NY
2018 Virginia Republican Senate candidate Corey Stewart had ties to white supremacists
Stephen King R-Iowa
Trump's refusal to condemn white supremacists and neo-nazis in Charlottesville
Tennessee Republicans block a bill to condemn white supremacists and neo-nazis

Why can’t white people talk about other races like black people talk about other races?? It’s a free country

If you want to talk about other races, you have every Right to do so. You will not gain majority sentiment; you may even have to defend your Rights, but if you want to say it then you have every Right to do so.

BTW, whether I agree with you or not, I will fight to the death to protect your Right to say it. Will you do so for me? Read some of the earlier posts here. IIRC, it was on this thread that another poster threatened me with censorship.

We are a country of a culture built by white Americans blacks can assimilate or not, but I will make fun of there culture Perpetrated by whites or blacks

White America also introduced slavery for example. That is hardly anything to brag about.

Which does not contradict what he said. So, what is your point?

Whites went along with slavery. The inquisitions were conducted by whites. White missionaries sometimes brutally tried to force people into becoming Christians. WW I and WWII were started by whites. Whites are the source of a lot of suffering that has gone on throughout history. They are no better or worse than any others.

 

[busybee01]

Local officials are under no obligation to enforce federal laws. The Supreme Court made it clear that immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility. It has nothing to do with Jim Crow laws.

It has everything to do with Jim Crow laws! You can't choose which laws you will observe and which laws you will ignore.
You have to be an absolute moron to deny that. No one is asking Libby Schaff or Gavin Newsom or Michelle Lujan-Grisham to conduct ICE raids themselves or track down the immigration status of the people they give cover to.

The very word "sanctuary" itself means a safe haven from the law. It means the law doesn't matter to sanctuary quislings in California or New Mexico or wherever it happens to be.

Can you let a rapist live in your home because you are under no obligation to help the police? You know damned well you would be arrested as an accessory to a crime if you did that. Turning a blind eye to illegal immigration shouldn't be an option
and show me any other law that you can choose not to observe. Name one! Go ahead.

Your lies are tiresome and bullshit. They aren't even effective as rhetorical devices. You cannot selectively apply the law!
Stop pretending, you ass!

You are the only moron that I see except for your fellow Trump supporters. The Constitution does not require local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration laws. They can be deputized by the federal government only if they agree to do so. They cannot be forced to do so. A sanctuary city or state means that they do not cooperate with federal immigration authorities not that they hide illegals.

It does not matter what they call themselves. They are doing nothing illegal. The Supreme Court stated that states have limited powers in enforcing immigration law. In the 1930's Dillinger robbed banks yet because he did it in 1 state, the FBI was unable to arrest him because he did not violate any federal laws only state laws.

You are the liar. You cannot stand the truth so you have to lie like the weasel that you are. You are3 the asshole and fascist pig.

 

[satrebil]

The Governor does not have the legal power to disregard the laws of this nation. That is not his job.

Leftist shitbags rationalize sanctuary policy by saying it's not their job to enforce federal law but that's not really the issue at all. No one is asking the governor of New Mexico to conduct ICE raids or check the status of suspected illegals.
It's an absurd straw man lie.

When a state directly orders employees NOT to speak or communicate with federal immigration officers under any circumstances, for instance, that crosses a line and sanctuary officials have gone from a hands off stance to actively
opposing US federal law.

MIchelle Lujan Grisham doesn't get to decide which laws she wants to follow or not. That's what Jim Crow politicians did.
She isn't entitled to pick and choose in an ala carte manner which laws she will deign to observe.

That's an absolute break down of law and order and the matter should be brought up to the Supreme Court. I can't believe it isn't illegal and improper to simply ignore the laws you don't wish to obey. ******* leftists liars!

Local officials are under no obligation to enforce federal laws. The Supreme Court made it clear that immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility. It has nothing to do with Jim Crow laws.

They arrested people that were helping to enforce the laws. That is more than just NOT enforcing them, that is actively undermining them.

No one says that these militias can enforce any laws. They are not trained in law enforcement and they are accountable to no one. Vigilantes should be arrested.

I take it you've never heard of a "citizens arrest".

 

[Jitss617]

Ya and democrats call BP kidnappers..

At the end of the day we will be taking our country back.

Wow. Stupider than I thought.


"With supremacists" and "neo nazis" are an irrelevant fringe in this society and only a lying asshole would claim otherwise.


To be clear, you are the lying asshole I was talking about.

You are the lying little asshole., Filth like you is a national disgrace.

You know what would have made that post really powerful?


If you had backed up your claim that I was lying, with a link proving that my claim,

ie, that "With supremacists" and "neo nazis" are an irrelevant fringe in this society and only a lying asshole would claim otherwise.



to some study or something that proved that white supremacists and neo nazis are a major force in America.



Funny you didn't do that....


Almost as though you know that you CAN'T.


To be clear, for the slower among us,


I challenge you to back up your shit claim, that white supremacists and neo nazis are a major force in America..



I look forward to seeing whether you do the norm lib response, and dodge or deflect, or whether you are stupid enough to even TRY to back up this shit, and if so, what incredible shit you post to try to do so.


FUn times.

The Proud Boys were invited to speak by Republicans in NY
2018 Virginia Republican Senate candidate Corey Stewart had ties to white supremacists
Stephen King R-Iowa
Trump's refusal to condemn white supremacists and neo-nazis in Charlottesville
Tennessee Republicans block a bill to condemn white supremacists and neo-nazis

1. The Proud Boys are not neo nazis.

2. Trump did condemn the white supremacists and neo nazis in charlottesville repeatedly. That you lie about that, shows that you know you need to lie.

1. They are a neo-Nazi group.

2. All you have to look at is then Chief of Staff General Kelly with his face buried in his hands. Trump tried to equate neo-nazis and white supremacists with peaceful protestors who were assaulted with 1 killed.

You are factually wrong.. it’s on video

 

[Jitss617]

Why can’t white people talk about other races like black people talk about other races?? It’s a free country

If you want to talk about other races, you have every Right to do so. You will not gain majority sentiment; you may even have to defend your Rights, but if you want to say it then you have every Right to do so.

BTW, whether I agree with you or not, I will fight to the death to protect your Right to say it. Will you do so for me? Read some of the earlier posts here. IIRC, it was on this thread that another poster threatened me with censorship.

We are a country of a culture built by white Americans blacks can assimilate or not, but I will make fun of there culture Perpetrated by whites or blacks

White America also introduced slavery for example. That is hardly anything to brag about.

Which does not contradict what he said. So, what is your point?

Whites went along with slavery. The inquisitions were conducted by whites. White missionaries sometimes brutally tried to force people into becoming Christians. WW I and WWII were started by whites. Whites are the source of a lot of suffering that has gone on throughout history. They are no better or worse than any others.

And we don’t forget about white democrats destroying black neighborhoods today

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Ya and democrats call BP kidnappers..

At the end of the day we will be taking our country back.

Wow. Stupider than I thought.


"With supremacists" and "neo nazis" are an irrelevant fringe in this society and only a lying asshole would claim otherwise.


To be clear, you are the lying asshole I was talking about.

You are the lying little asshole., Filth like you is a national disgrace.

You know what would have made that post really powerful?


If you had backed up your claim that I was lying, with a link proving that my claim,

ie, that "With supremacists" and "neo nazis" are an irrelevant fringe in this society and only a lying asshole would claim otherwise.



to some study or something that proved that white supremacists and neo nazis are a major force in America.



Funny you didn't do that....


Almost as though you know that you CAN'T.


To be clear, for the slower among us,


I challenge you to back up your shit claim, that white supremacists and neo nazis are a major force in America..



I look forward to seeing whether you do the norm lib response, and dodge or deflect, or whether you are stupid enough to even TRY to back up this shit, and if so, what incredible shit you post to try to do so.


FUn times.

The Proud Boys were invited to speak by Republicans in NY
2018 Virginia Republican Senate candidate Corey Stewart had ties to white supremacists
Stephen King R-Iowa
Trump's refusal to condemn white supremacists and neo-nazis in Charlottesville
Tennessee Republicans block a bill to condemn white supremacists and neo-nazis

1. The Proud Boys are not neo nazis.

2. Trump did condemn the white supremacists and neo nazis in charlottesville repeatedly. That you lie about that, shows that you know you need to lie.

1. They are a neo-Nazi group.

2. All you have to look at is then Chief of Staff General Kelly with his face buried in his hands. Trump tried to equate neo-nazis and white supremacists with peaceful protestors who were assaulted with 1 killed.

I am not a Trump supporter, so don't go there when I tell you that you are wrong here.

The people who created the wallist religion (the whole wall worship thing) ARE nazis. That is a fact beyond any dispute. It is also a fact that the wallist religion predominates the effort that was made in Charlottesville.

Not all of the whites who attended the Charlottesville rally were violent white supremacists. That is made self evident that the Charlottesville rally was a one and done event. Contrast that to when the black community has their people shot or beaten in the streets. The outcry and rallies are constant.

We do have a problem with foreigners coming to this country. It is, however, one of our making. But, the people have a RIGHT to protest and seek out change. For anyone to say that all the Charlottesville protesters were white supremacists and so forth would be to claim that all black people are homosexuals just because the gay community marches with blacks when the black people feel their civil rights are being trampled on.

I wholly disagree with the neo nazis that are in charge of the nutty wall idea and I reject the principles of National Socialism. At the same time, I care about my country, my race, my culture and the destiny of this nation. I'm just not willing to step on the back of others to make my lot in life more pleasant. Once you learn that, it will put us closer to sitting down and having a civil conversation that will lead to a solution all sides can live with.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

You are the only moron that I see except for your fellow Trump supporters. The Constitution does not require local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration laws. They can be deputized by the federal government only if they agree to do so. They cannot be forced to do so. A sanctuary city or state means that they do not cooperate with federal immigration authorities not that they hide illegals.

Yeah, I've heard all that blullshit a hundred times now. It's a meme that justifies nothing.

Sanctuary cities knowingly assist people who are breaking the law. Let me know when you've figured out a way to square that with the law. By declaring themselves to be sanctuary destinations those cities, counties and states
are telling actual federal law breakers they will give them shelter and not rat these people out.
What would happen to a person who declared he was going to help out drug dealers by giving them a place to stay and he would not divulge their location to police?

You aren't bright enough to realize you've gone beyond simply not helping federal immigration officers to actively thwarting them by hiding out criminals in sanctuary cities.

It does not matter what they call themselves. They are doing nothing illegal. The Supreme Court stated that states have limited powers in enforcing immigration law. In the 1930's Dillinger robbed banks yet because he did it in 1 state, the FBI was unable to arrest him because he did not violate any federal laws only state laws.

Aiding and abetting criminal activity is illegal no matter how dishonestly you rationalize things. Aiding and Abetting/Accessory - FindLaw
You are simply an updated Jim Crow advocate. You think you can pick and chose the laws you will support and not.
Only a dishonest imbecile thinks that's okay.

You are the liar. You cannot stand the truth so you have to lie like the weasel that you are. You are3 the asshole and fascist pig.

If only you were half as smart and ethical as you are hate filled and vile you'd be almost right.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

I take it you've never heard of a "citizens arrest".

The militias are about as illegal as a citizen's neighborhood watch group. Citizen Corps | National Neighborhood Watch

Why are citizens helping police okay in a neighborhood but not on our border where our law enforcement forces are being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of people wanting admission to our nation, through various legal and illegal ways?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You are the only moron that I see except for your fellow Trump supporters. The Constitution does not require local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration laws. They can be deputized by the federal government only if they agree to do so. They cannot be forced to do so. A sanctuary city or state means that they do not cooperate with federal immigration authorities not that they hide illegals.

Yeah, I've heard all that blullshit a hundred times now. It's a meme that justifies nothing.

Sanctuary cities knowingly assist people who are breaking the law. Let me know when you've figured out a way to square that with the law. By declaring themselves to be sanctuary destinations those cities, counties and states
are telling actual federal law breakers they will give them shelter and not rat these people out.
What would happen to a person who declared he was going to help out drug dealers by giving them a place to stay and he would not divulge their location to police?

You aren't bright enough to realize you've gone beyond simply not helping federal immigration officers to actively thwarting them by hiding out criminals in sanctuary cities.

It does not matter what they call themselves. They are doing nothing illegal. The Supreme Court stated that states have limited powers in enforcing immigration law. In the 1930's Dillinger robbed banks yet because he did it in 1 state, the FBI was unable to arrest him because he did not violate any federal laws only state laws.

Aiding and abetting criminal activity is illegal no matter how dishonestly you rationalize things. Aiding and Abetting/Accessory - FindLaw
You are simply an updated Jim Crow advocate. You think you can pick and chose the laws you will support and not.
Only a dishonest imbecile thinks that's okay.

You are the liar. You cannot stand the truth so you have to lie like the weasel that you are. You are3 the asshole and fascist pig.

If only you were half as smart and ethical as you are hate filled and vile you'd be almost right.

Dealing in only the facts, the United States Supreme Court has ruled that being in the United States without papers is not a crime.

That is not a belief, a political statement, nor my support or non-support of either side. It's the law and THAT is what the LEO community enforces. They do not enforce your private interpretation of the law.

 

[Correll]

You accused Trump of being a liar, and me of being stupid for believing him.


My point, ie that he was the best choice, is not a strawman argument.


It was a very valid response to your point.



Your claim that it was not, is an obvious attempt to avoid admitting that my point was valid.




At this point, you should apologize to me for calling me stupid, and admit that my logic in supporting Trump was sound.


Seriously. You don't have to admit anything else, and we can continue the debate on immigration, and that admission will not undermine the rest of your position.

I'll tell you once more after this and then you will be wasting your time. I do not like responding to multi quotes and will not do so past today.

Correll, you are either an idiot or a liar. You cannot cite where I said you were stupid to vote for Donald Trump. I voted for him as the lesser of two evils. However, when he signed that Executive Order against bump stocks, he showed us he is no better than Hillary. Knowing his stance on the Second Amendment, you'd be an idiot to vote for him again.

I'm not here to debate immigration with you on this thread. My generation was winning that war until the National Socialists co-opted it and then allowed a new religion to pop up that revolves around wall worship. Today, that is all people like you obsess over. If you lose constitutional Liberties along the way and make resistance to tyranny impossible, you can live with that. I can't. There isn't much more to disagree with on that point.

This thread is about Larry Hopkins and whether or not civilian militias can run roughshod over border towns just because they disagree with the law. The courts say you are wrong. People who adopt your strategies will end up where Hopkins did. You won't because you don't have the intestinal fortitude it takes to do anything more than anonymously spew shit on the Internet.

1. You post long rambling posts, and I will respond as I need to, to make sure you can tell which point I am referring to.

2. Your words.

"Are you really that freaking stupid?

Donald Trump is"

Sounds to me like you were calling me stupid for supporting Trump or at least listening to what he was saying.


3. THe bump stock ban was bad. But Trump is still better than Hillary.

4. When and how was your generation supposedly winning the war on immigration? And try to be concise. Or you might get mulit-qoutes in response.

You give me four things to respond to and then ***** because the responses are over ten paragraphs. That is why I don't normally respond to them.

Second point, your first post directed at me on this thread was to call me a moron. What kind of response did you expect in return?

We all listened to Trump. But Trump proved to be a liar. Since he's really buddy buddy with the Clintons I'm not so sure now that he's the lesser of two evils, but in any event, none of us should extol the virtues of Trump when we know what he is. Not that you should have known this, but maybe had Hillary won the Republicans would rebel against unconstitutional power grabs.

In the 1990s my generation almost got rid of the income tax, the IRS and the 16th Amendment. There was no requirement that one get a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, "Social Security Number" and, without one, you could not be forced into the system and required to pay what was then a voluntary tax.

My own U.S. Congressman introduced the most researched legislation in U.S. history which would have repealed the 16th Amendment and eliminate the income tax. Had we done that, you could not say undocumented foreigners didn't pay the tax since the new system would have everybody paying a tax consistent with what they made - no loopholes, no B.S.

The people of my generation were challenging and winning the effort to regain their status as freemen by rescinding their contracts with the government. We knew the difference between a Preamble citizen and a 14th Amendment citizen. By reclaiming our status as freemen, it was nullifying the 14th Amendment incrementally. Your generation needed that Amendment to have something to ***** about (i.e. mythical "anchor babies.") AND your generation wanted Orwellian National ID (Hitler's tattoo idea on steroids) based upon the Socialist Surveillance Number (SSN.)

We were making taxes a non-issue, taking the anchor baby argument out of the equation, dealing immigration in general a heavy blow, restoring your Rights as individuals so that employers could hire whomever they wanted (which means that given a choice a lot of small companies - which should be the most representative in America - would be hiring their families, neighbors and people from the neighborhood.

I personally wrote a bill that would give businesses an opportunity to earn their tax breaks: a tax incentive for companies to hire an all American staff, another to bring jobs back to America, a tax incentive to have a pay scale with percentages above the poverty scale (the bigger the percentage, the greater the incentive.) There would be additional tax write offs for employers to take people off unemployment, welfare, and disability. There was more to it than that, but I'm just trying to fit all our efforts into a small enough post that you don't get confused by ten paragraphs. Heaven forbid you don't get a history lesson in twenty words or less.

1. I grant the many benefits of getting rid of the IRS.

2. But how do you consider that winning the immigration issue?

And you wonder why I call you stupid!

Most of the pretexts used in wallist theology is that foreigners don't pay taxes. You and me realize right now that is bullshit. Otherwise, you would not have asked that.

If you eliminate the pretext, if it has any merit, it deters foreigners from coming here. You and I realize that is not the case. I'm going to presume, for the moment, your IQ is at least a couple of digits higher than your shoe size.

So, if foreigners cannot avoid the income tax and Americans are being incentivized to hire their fellow Americans... and if you take the feds out of welfare, then you've removed most of the reasons your side claims the foreigners are coming here. It ain't rocket science, bro.

I'm more concerned with the downward pressure on wages, and the cultural and political impact of immigration.


But I will grant you the tax angle, though I think that claiming that that would be winning the immigration issue is vastly overstating it.

 

[Correll]

Could this be why your "hero" gives the militia a bad name?

More and more personal insults and "wall worship" idiocy. Blather on, Rambo. I'm sorry I ever gave you the attention you crave to begin with. But I won't keep making that same mistake.

No cherry, I was trying to have a civil conversation with you. But, your shoe size is larger than your IQ so it's best we don't address each other.

i don't think you realize how insulting your constant use of terms like "Nazi" or even "Wallist" is.


Not to mention your overall style of dismissing the arguments of those who you are discussing with.

Correll,

I spent the better part of FOUR DECADES learning what I know. I manned the border, went into courtrooms, went to marches, spoke out publicly (was on tv, radio, newspapers, magazines); even organized groups and financed the meeting places to discuss this and related issues.

I worked in think tanks, went to school and studied law so as to be able to apply it to these situations. I was elected as a Justice of the Peace and did research for the top names in wallist theology. Not wanting to be accused of prejudice, racism, etc. I worked in immigration law for a few years. So, I've been on ALL sides of the issue.

Now, when I sit at a table or go somewhere to speak, people either respect me and don't say silly shit like you and those of your ilk do OR they are genuinely afraid of me (and that is entirely plausible. too - good reason for it.) On the Internet, just like you, many wallists start out with a disrespectful tone AND, instead of asking questions, they make assumptions and start insulting people. Then you have the unmitigated gall to think you are due something you were not willing to give. I earned my spot in this discussion. I've been beaten, shot, jailed, run through the criminal justice system, threatened by the most powerful agencies in the government AND the biggest names in political organizations. I've been in court at least once for every year you've lived.

I'm not going to earn your respect on the Internet. I can tell people that your philosophy gets people killed - maybe imprisoned if you're lucky. But, I will continue to call you a wallist because it is a religion and if I don't chant the mantra, you will call me names that you would never do publicly. In all your arrogance, you do not understand the law and how one action impacts another. For example:

The wallists demanded the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify in order to find so - called "illegal aliens" and punish employers that hire these mythical "illegal aliens." What you guys did pretty much fucked your own people - NOT the foreigners. You cannot target foreigners with the National ID without targeting Americans. So, the background checks you supported keep Americans unemployed. Some poor sap got busted on a misdemeanor rap five years ago and now because he smoked a joint, he can't even work at Mickey Ds.

Instead of owning up to the mistake your side made, you start bullshit arguments about protecting kids from pedophiles in school - well Hell son, if an employer can show a relevancy to the job and info the government has, there has NEVER been a problem. But, when everybody's information is out there for everybody else, then we could never mount a resistance to a tyrannical government. Benjamin Franklin said that those who trade essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety deserved neither Liberty nor Safety. You simply don't understand the dynamics involved nor how one precedent will impact another.

The simple minded answers are "well this country (insert the name) built a wall and it works." Really? Is that country racially / religiously homogeneous? Does it have the influence we had? Until you guys screwed America we were the the world's superpower. Does that country guarantee foreigners the equal protection of the laws as does our 14th Amendment? I think the 14th Amendment is illegal, but I still have to work within its parameters. In short, you cannot look past your wall to see the big picture and the dynamics at play. You don't know how you're being conned by the left. You want respect, start showing respect. I believe that the government big enough to give you your daily bread is big enough to take it from you. That does not mean I'm on the right or the left... but I've never been left and you have. It might have been unintentional, but you are deaf, dumb, blind and stupid with regards as to how this system is letting the whites commit genocide.

I followed your reasoning, (not saying I agreed) up to.,


"letting whites commit genocide"?


Who are we supposedly committing genocide against?

 

[Correll]

The Governor does not have the legal power to disregard the laws of this nation. That is not his job.

Leftist shitbags rationalize sanctuary policy by saying it's not their job to enforce federal law but that's not really the issue at all. No one is asking the governor of New Mexico to conduct ICE raids or check the status of suspected illegals.
It's an absurd straw man lie.

When a state directly orders employees NOT to speak or communicate with federal immigration officers under any circumstances, for instance, that crosses a line and sanctuary officials have gone from a hands off stance to actively
opposing US federal law.

MIchelle Lujan Grisham doesn't get to decide which laws she wants to follow or not. That's what Jim Crow politicians did.
She isn't entitled to pick and choose in an ala carte manner which laws she will deign to observe.

That's an absolute break down of law and order and the matter should be brought up to the Supreme Court. I can't believe it isn't illegal and improper to simply ignore the laws you don't wish to obey. ******* leftists liars!

Local officials are under no obligation to enforce federal laws. The Supreme Court made it clear that immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility. It has nothing to do with Jim Crow laws.

They arrested people that were helping to enforce the laws. That is more than just NOT enforcing them, that is actively undermining them.

No one says that these militias can enforce any laws. They are not trained in law enforcement and they are accountable to no one. Vigilantes should be arrested.

Why do you want to let unvetted and unlimited numbers of foreign nationals enter our nation?

 

[Correll]

Ya and democrats call BP kidnappers..

At the end of the day we will be taking our country back.

Wow. Stupider than I thought.


"With supremacists" and "neo nazis" are an irrelevant fringe in this society and only a lying asshole would claim otherwise.


To be clear, you are the lying asshole I was talking about.

You are the lying little asshole., Filth like you is a national disgrace.

You know what would have made that post really powerful?


If you had backed up your claim that I was lying, with a link proving that my claim,

ie, that "With supremacists" and "neo nazis" are an irrelevant fringe in this society and only a lying asshole would claim otherwise.



to some study or something that proved that white supremacists and neo nazis are a major force in America.



Funny you didn't do that....


Almost as though you know that you CAN'T.


To be clear, for the slower among us,


I challenge you to back up your shit claim, that white supremacists and neo nazis are a major force in America..



I look forward to seeing whether you do the norm lib response, and dodge or deflect, or whether you are stupid enough to even TRY to back up this shit, and if so, what incredible shit you post to try to do so.


FUn times.

The Proud Boys were invited to speak by Republicans in NY
2018 Virginia Republican Senate candidate Corey Stewart had ties to white supremacists
Stephen King R-Iowa
Trump's refusal to condemn white supremacists and neo-nazis in Charlottesville
Tennessee Republicans block a bill to condemn white supremacists and neo-nazis

1. The Proud Boys are not neo nazis.

2. Trump did condemn the white supremacists and neo nazis in charlottesville repeatedly. That you lie about that, shows that you know you need to lie.

1. They are a neo-Nazi group.

2. All you have to look at is then Chief of Staff General Kelly with his face buried in his hands. Trump tried to equate neo-nazis and white supremacists with peaceful protestors who were assaulted with 1 killed.

1. They are not neo nazis.

2. Antifa are not peaceful. They showed up to fight, and they did. That you lie about that, is supporting their use of violence. I do not support the violence from either side.

 

[Correll]

Why can’t white people talk about other races like black people talk about other races?? It’s a free country

If you want to talk about other races, you have every Right to do so. You will not gain majority sentiment; you may even have to defend your Rights, but if you want to say it then you have every Right to do so.

BTW, whether I agree with you or not, I will fight to the death to protect your Right to say it. Will you do so for me? Read some of the earlier posts here. IIRC, it was on this thread that another poster threatened me with censorship.

We are a country of a culture built by white Americans blacks can assimilate or not, but I will make fun of there culture Perpetrated by whites or blacks

White America also introduced slavery for example. That is hardly anything to brag about.

Which does not contradict what he said. So, what is your point?

Whites went along with slavery. The inquisitions were conducted by whites. White missionaries sometimes brutally tried to force people into becoming Christians. WW I and WWII were started by whites. Whites are the source of a lot of suffering that has gone on throughout history. They are no better or worse than any others.

Whites also fought against slavery. Whites fought for religious freedom. WWI and WWII were ended by whites. Whites are a source of a lot of peace, prosperity, freedom, and love that has gone on through out history.

We are no better or worse than others.


And I still don't get your point.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I'll tell you once more after this and then you will be wasting your time. I do not like responding to multi quotes and will not do so past today.

Correll, you are either an idiot or a liar. You cannot cite where I said you were stupid to vote for Donald Trump. I voted for him as the lesser of two evils. However, when he signed that Executive Order against bump stocks, he showed us he is no better than Hillary. Knowing his stance on the Second Amendment, you'd be an idiot to vote for him again.

I'm not here to debate immigration with you on this thread. My generation was winning that war until the National Socialists co-opted it and then allowed a new religion to pop up that revolves around wall worship. Today, that is all people like you obsess over. If you lose constitutional Liberties along the way and make resistance to tyranny impossible, you can live with that. I can't. There isn't much more to disagree with on that point.

This thread is about Larry Hopkins and whether or not civilian militias can run roughshod over border towns just because they disagree with the law. The courts say you are wrong. People who adopt your strategies will end up where Hopkins did. You won't because you don't have the intestinal fortitude it takes to do anything more than anonymously spew shit on the Internet.

1. You post long rambling posts, and I will respond as I need to, to make sure you can tell which point I am referring to.

2. Your words.

"Are you really that freaking stupid?

Donald Trump is"

Sounds to me like you were calling me stupid for supporting Trump or at least listening to what he was saying.


3. THe bump stock ban was bad. But Trump is still better than Hillary.

4. When and how was your generation supposedly winning the war on immigration? And try to be concise. Or you might get mulit-qoutes in response.

You give me four things to respond to and then ***** because the responses are over ten paragraphs. That is why I don't normally respond to them.

Second point, your first post directed at me on this thread was to call me a moron. What kind of response did you expect in return?

We all listened to Trump. But Trump proved to be a liar. Since he's really buddy buddy with the Clintons I'm not so sure now that he's the lesser of two evils, but in any event, none of us should extol the virtues of Trump when we know what he is. Not that you should have known this, but maybe had Hillary won the Republicans would rebel against unconstitutional power grabs.

In the 1990s my generation almost got rid of the income tax, the IRS and the 16th Amendment. There was no requirement that one get a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, "Social Security Number" and, without one, you could not be forced into the system and required to pay what was then a voluntary tax.

My own U.S. Congressman introduced the most researched legislation in U.S. history which would have repealed the 16th Amendment and eliminate the income tax. Had we done that, you could not say undocumented foreigners didn't pay the tax since the new system would have everybody paying a tax consistent with what they made - no loopholes, no B.S.

The people of my generation were challenging and winning the effort to regain their status as freemen by rescinding their contracts with the government. We knew the difference between a Preamble citizen and a 14th Amendment citizen. By reclaiming our status as freemen, it was nullifying the 14th Amendment incrementally. Your generation needed that Amendment to have something to ***** about (i.e. mythical "anchor babies.") AND your generation wanted Orwellian National ID (Hitler's tattoo idea on steroids) based upon the Socialist Surveillance Number (SSN.)

We were making taxes a non-issue, taking the anchor baby argument out of the equation, dealing immigration in general a heavy blow, restoring your Rights as individuals so that employers could hire whomever they wanted (which means that given a choice a lot of small companies - which should be the most representative in America - would be hiring their families, neighbors and people from the neighborhood.

I personally wrote a bill that would give businesses an opportunity to earn their tax breaks: a tax incentive for companies to hire an all American staff, another to bring jobs back to America, a tax incentive to have a pay scale with percentages above the poverty scale (the bigger the percentage, the greater the incentive.) There would be additional tax write offs for employers to take people off unemployment, welfare, and disability. There was more to it than that, but I'm just trying to fit all our efforts into a small enough post that you don't get confused by ten paragraphs. Heaven forbid you don't get a history lesson in twenty words or less.

1. I grant the many benefits of getting rid of the IRS.

2. But how do you consider that winning the immigration issue?

And you wonder why I call you stupid!

Most of the pretexts used in wallist theology is that foreigners don't pay taxes. You and me realize right now that is bullshit. Otherwise, you would not have asked that.

If you eliminate the pretext, if it has any merit, it deters foreigners from coming here. You and I realize that is not the case. I'm going to presume, for the moment, your IQ is at least a couple of digits higher than your shoe size.

So, if foreigners cannot avoid the income tax and Americans are being incentivized to hire their fellow Americans... and if you take the feds out of welfare, then you've removed most of the reasons your side claims the foreigners are coming here. It ain't rocket science, bro.

I'm more concerned with the downward pressure on wages, and the cultural and political impact of immigration.


But I will grant you the tax angle, though I think that claiming that that would be winning the immigration issue is vastly overstating it.

If the Fair Tax had been debated and if the discussion ended with tax reform of which foreigners, regardless of so - called "legal status" were forced to pay, they would have to make more money.

You limited your argument to the 16th Amendment when, like it or not, believe it or not, some patriots made significant inroads against the 14th Amendment as well.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Could this be why your "hero" gives the militia a bad name?

More and more personal insults and "wall worship" idiocy. Blather on, Rambo. I'm sorry I ever gave you the attention you crave to begin with. But I won't keep making that same mistake.

No cherry, I was trying to have a civil conversation with you. But, your shoe size is larger than your IQ so it's best we don't address each other.

i don't think you realize how insulting your constant use of terms like "Nazi" or even "Wallist" is.


Not to mention your overall style of dismissing the arguments of those who you are discussing with.

Correll,

I spent the better part of FOUR DECADES learning what I know. I manned the border, went into courtrooms, went to marches, spoke out publicly (was on tv, radio, newspapers, magazines); even organized groups and financed the meeting places to discuss this and related issues.

I worked in think tanks, went to school and studied law so as to be able to apply it to these situations. I was elected as a Justice of the Peace and did research for the top names in wallist theology. Not wanting to be accused of prejudice, racism, etc. I worked in immigration law for a few years. So, I've been on ALL sides of the issue.

Now, when I sit at a table or go somewhere to speak, people either respect me and don't say silly shit like you and those of your ilk do OR they are genuinely afraid of me (and that is entirely plausible. too - good reason for it.) On the Internet, just like you, many wallists start out with a disrespectful tone AND, instead of asking questions, they make assumptions and start insulting people. Then you have the unmitigated gall to think you are due something you were not willing to give. I earned my spot in this discussion. I've been beaten, shot, jailed, run through the criminal justice system, threatened by the most powerful agencies in the government AND the biggest names in political organizations. I've been in court at least once for every year you've lived.

I'm not going to earn your respect on the Internet. I can tell people that your philosophy gets people killed - maybe imprisoned if you're lucky. But, I will continue to call you a wallist because it is a religion and if I don't chant the mantra, you will call me names that you would never do publicly. In all your arrogance, you do not understand the law and how one action impacts another. For example:

The wallists demanded the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify in order to find so - called "illegal aliens" and punish employers that hire these mythical "illegal aliens." What you guys did pretty much fucked your own people - NOT the foreigners. You cannot target foreigners with the National ID without targeting Americans. So, the background checks you supported keep Americans unemployed. Some poor sap got busted on a misdemeanor rap five years ago and now because he smoked a joint, he can't even work at Mickey Ds.

Instead of owning up to the mistake your side made, you start bullshit arguments about protecting kids from pedophiles in school - well Hell son, if an employer can show a relevancy to the job and info the government has, there has NEVER been a problem. But, when everybody's information is out there for everybody else, then we could never mount a resistance to a tyrannical government. Benjamin Franklin said that those who trade essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety deserved neither Liberty nor Safety. You simply don't understand the dynamics involved nor how one precedent will impact another.

The simple minded answers are "well this country (insert the name) built a wall and it works." Really? Is that country racially / religiously homogeneous? Does it have the influence we had? Until you guys screwed America we were the the world's superpower. Does that country guarantee foreigners the equal protection of the laws as does our 14th Amendment? I think the 14th Amendment is illegal, but I still have to work within its parameters. In short, you cannot look past your wall to see the big picture and the dynamics at play. You don't know how you're being conned by the left. You want respect, start showing respect. I believe that the government big enough to give you your daily bread is big enough to take it from you. That does not mean I'm on the right or the left... but I've never been left and you have. It might have been unintentional, but you are deaf, dumb, blind and stupid with regards as to how this system is letting the whites commit genocide.

I followed your reasoning, (not saying I agreed) up to.,


"letting whites commit genocide"?


Who are we supposedly committing genocide against?

Whites are unilaterally committing genocide against themselves.

 

[Correll]

1. You post long rambling posts, and I will respond as I need to, to make sure you can tell which point I am referring to.

2. Your words.

"Are you really that freaking stupid?

Donald Trump is"

Sounds to me like you were calling me stupid for supporting Trump or at least listening to what he was saying.


3. THe bump stock ban was bad. But Trump is still better than Hillary.

4. When and how was your generation supposedly winning the war on immigration? And try to be concise. Or you might get mulit-qoutes in response.

You give me four things to respond to and then ***** because the responses are over ten paragraphs. That is why I don't normally respond to them.

Second point, your first post directed at me on this thread was to call me a moron. What kind of response did you expect in return?

We all listened to Trump. But Trump proved to be a liar. Since he's really buddy buddy with the Clintons I'm not so sure now that he's the lesser of two evils, but in any event, none of us should extol the virtues of Trump when we know what he is. Not that you should have known this, but maybe had Hillary won the Republicans would rebel against unconstitutional power grabs.

In the 1990s my generation almost got rid of the income tax, the IRS and the 16th Amendment. There was no requirement that one get a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, "Social Security Number" and, without one, you could not be forced into the system and required to pay what was then a voluntary tax.

My own U.S. Congressman introduced the most researched legislation in U.S. history which would have repealed the 16th Amendment and eliminate the income tax. Had we done that, you could not say undocumented foreigners didn't pay the tax since the new system would have everybody paying a tax consistent with what they made - no loopholes, no B.S.

The people of my generation were challenging and winning the effort to regain their status as freemen by rescinding their contracts with the government. We knew the difference between a Preamble citizen and a 14th Amendment citizen. By reclaiming our status as freemen, it was nullifying the 14th Amendment incrementally. Your generation needed that Amendment to have something to ***** about (i.e. mythical "anchor babies.") AND your generation wanted Orwellian National ID (Hitler's tattoo idea on steroids) based upon the Socialist Surveillance Number (SSN.)

We were making taxes a non-issue, taking the anchor baby argument out of the equation, dealing immigration in general a heavy blow, restoring your Rights as individuals so that employers could hire whomever they wanted (which means that given a choice a lot of small companies - which should be the most representative in America - would be hiring their families, neighbors and people from the neighborhood.

I personally wrote a bill that would give businesses an opportunity to earn their tax breaks: a tax incentive for companies to hire an all American staff, another to bring jobs back to America, a tax incentive to have a pay scale with percentages above the poverty scale (the bigger the percentage, the greater the incentive.) There would be additional tax write offs for employers to take people off unemployment, welfare, and disability. There was more to it than that, but I'm just trying to fit all our efforts into a small enough post that you don't get confused by ten paragraphs. Heaven forbid you don't get a history lesson in twenty words or less.

1. I grant the many benefits of getting rid of the IRS.

2. But how do you consider that winning the immigration issue?

And you wonder why I call you stupid!

Most of the pretexts used in wallist theology is that foreigners don't pay taxes. You and me realize right now that is bullshit. Otherwise, you would not have asked that.

If you eliminate the pretext, if it has any merit, it deters foreigners from coming here. You and I realize that is not the case. I'm going to presume, for the moment, your IQ is at least a couple of digits higher than your shoe size.

So, if foreigners cannot avoid the income tax and Americans are being incentivized to hire their fellow Americans... and if you take the feds out of welfare, then you've removed most of the reasons your side claims the foreigners are coming here. It ain't rocket science, bro.

I'm more concerned with the downward pressure on wages, and the cultural and political impact of immigration.


But I will grant you the tax angle, though I think that claiming that that would be winning the immigration issue is vastly overstating it.

If the Fair Tax had been debated and if the discussion ended with tax reform of which foreigners, regardless of so - called "legal status" were forced to pay, they would have to make more money.

You limited your argument to the 16th Amendment when, like it or not, believe it or not, some patriots made significant inroads against the 14th Amendment as well.

"making more money" would only have slightly decreased the impact of unlimited Third World labor on the US labor market and thus US wages.

AND, still does not change the cultural and political issues of Immigration.

 

[Correll]

More and more personal insults and "wall worship" idiocy. Blather on, Rambo. I'm sorry I ever gave you the attention you crave to begin with. But I won't keep making that same mistake.

No cherry, I was trying to have a civil conversation with you. But, your shoe size is larger than your IQ so it's best we don't address each other.

i don't think you realize how insulting your constant use of terms like "Nazi" or even "Wallist" is.


Not to mention your overall style of dismissing the arguments of those who you are discussing with.

Correll,

I spent the better part of FOUR DECADES learning what I know. I manned the border, went into courtrooms, went to marches, spoke out publicly (was on tv, radio, newspapers, magazines); even organized groups and financed the meeting places to discuss this and related issues.

I worked in think tanks, went to school and studied law so as to be able to apply it to these situations. I was elected as a Justice of the Peace and did research for the top names in wallist theology. Not wanting to be accused of prejudice, racism, etc. I worked in immigration law for a few years. So, I've been on ALL sides of the issue.

Now, when I sit at a table or go somewhere to speak, people either respect me and don't say silly shit like you and those of your ilk do OR they are genuinely afraid of me (and that is entirely plausible. too - good reason for it.) On the Internet, just like you, many wallists start out with a disrespectful tone AND, instead of asking questions, they make assumptions and start insulting people. Then you have the unmitigated gall to think you are due something you were not willing to give. I earned my spot in this discussion. I've been beaten, shot, jailed, run through the criminal justice system, threatened by the most powerful agencies in the government AND the biggest names in political organizations. I've been in court at least once for every year you've lived.

I'm not going to earn your respect on the Internet. I can tell people that your philosophy gets people killed - maybe imprisoned if you're lucky. But, I will continue to call you a wallist because it is a religion and if I don't chant the mantra, you will call me names that you would never do publicly. In all your arrogance, you do not understand the law and how one action impacts another. For example:

The wallists demanded the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify in order to find so - called "illegal aliens" and punish employers that hire these mythical "illegal aliens." What you guys did pretty much fucked your own people - NOT the foreigners. You cannot target foreigners with the National ID without targeting Americans. So, the background checks you supported keep Americans unemployed. Some poor sap got busted on a misdemeanor rap five years ago and now because he smoked a joint, he can't even work at Mickey Ds.

Instead of owning up to the mistake your side made, you start bullshit arguments about protecting kids from pedophiles in school - well Hell son, if an employer can show a relevancy to the job and info the government has, there has NEVER been a problem. But, when everybody's information is out there for everybody else, then we could never mount a resistance to a tyrannical government. Benjamin Franklin said that those who trade essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety deserved neither Liberty nor Safety. You simply don't understand the dynamics involved nor how one precedent will impact another.

The simple minded answers are "well this country (insert the name) built a wall and it works." Really? Is that country racially / religiously homogeneous? Does it have the influence we had? Until you guys screwed America we were the the world's superpower. Does that country guarantee foreigners the equal protection of the laws as does our 14th Amendment? I think the 14th Amendment is illegal, but I still have to work within its parameters. In short, you cannot look past your wall to see the big picture and the dynamics at play. You don't know how you're being conned by the left. You want respect, start showing respect. I believe that the government big enough to give you your daily bread is big enough to take it from you. That does not mean I'm on the right or the left... but I've never been left and you have. It might have been unintentional, but you are deaf, dumb, blind and stupid with regards as to how this system is letting the whites commit genocide.

I followed your reasoning, (not saying I agreed) up to.,


"letting whites commit genocide"?


Who are we supposedly committing genocide against?

Whites are unilaterally committing genocide against themselves.

Yet you seem more upset about ids, and land rights than genocide.