Unless our moral standards are rooted in the real consequences to the lives of those individuals they affect, in this world, they are useless.
The point to that train-wreck is known only to you...
That you fail to understand the point indicates a certain shallowness to your self proclaimed intellectual superiority.
Huh... so where your opposition declares that your point is unknown... you return to establish as a point in FACT, that the point has meaningless; through your refusal to elucidate; to clarify that point...
Which FTR, was expected and was the point in stating that the point was indiscernible.
Thus, you're conceding THIS element of your argument... and we can close the book on at least this much. Feel free to re-open the book should you manage to rationalize a valid point from that drivel.
PubliusInfinitum said:
The entire point of my argument are the REAL CONSEQUENCES REALIZED BY THE DECLINE IN PUBLIC STANDARDS AS A RESULT OF THE NORMALIZATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY...
Bully said:
The "decline in public standards" by what objective measure?
ROFLMNAO... By the objective measure which is established in the etymological roots of the verb: decline: diminish: to decrease in number, amount, value, or quality.
Now would you like to offer an argument, where normalizing sexual deviancy and the aforementioned symptoms of same; where LAW which was debated and the exclusion of protections for PEDOPHILIA were REJECTED, thus establishing a de facto 'protected status' of those who advocate for sexual relationships with minor children... are indicative of in increase in the value and quality of US standards of public behavior?
Bully said:
Unless our moral standards are rooted in the real consequences to the lives of those individuals they affect, in this world, they are useless.
PI said:
The point to that train-wreck is known only to you...
The entire point of my argument are the REAL CONSEQUENCES REALIZED BY THE DECLINE IN PUBLIC STANDARDS AS A RESULT OF THE NORMALIZATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY...
To what 'real consequences' are YOU referring?
Bully said:
Physical, monetary or psychological harm.
ROFL... Ahh... so once again we come to your desperate need to redefine
"HARM" to service this argument... A point of fact established DAYS AGOÂ… but one which you naturally couldnÂ’t escape illustrating in undeniable termsÂ… But heyÂ… such is a function of your stark intellectual limitationsÂ…
(Again kids... note how the left MUST bastardize the language... how their most closely held 'feelings' and the specious reasoning used in advancing those 'feelings' can NOT be sustained UNLESS they REDEFINE THE LANGUAGE as if such were theirs to OWN.)
Let's review the definition of "HARM," shall we:
harm [haarm]
n
damage or injury: physical, mental, or moral impairment or deterioration
Now HARM is the noun that BULLY advanced in establishing his challenge... but when that chellenge is met, when the opposition defines the word, through an immutable resource "Webster's Dictionary" published THIS YEAR... thus establishing the current ACCEPTED defining traits of that concept... Bully must REDEFINE, modify and otherwise CHANGE the meaning of the word SHE USED to sustain her argument...
Which means that her argument as framed BY HER, is unsustainable... she's now simply trying to move the goal post, to limit the scope of the argument to only those elements which SHE feels are representative of harm; she's not advanced ANY argument which would provide a basis for such a limitation; as to do so would expose her point to the certainty that she rejects MORALITY as a potential element of harm; because to do so would illustrate in PERFECTION, THE SOUL OF MY ARGUMENT; that the decline in public standards, through the normalization of sexual deviancy is a DIRECZT FUNCTION OF SECULARISM... to strip morality from the equation; she opens the gate to every form of debauchery...
To wit: Let's assume for the sake of argument, that Homosexuality is determined to be suitable within the cultural definition of marriage.
Now setting aside morality... what argument will Buddy advance to prevent the TRIADS from being determined to be suitable for Marriage?
With regard to pedophilia... Absent morality... what argument will Buddy advance to prevent the cultural acceptance of adults engaging in 'loving, consensual, sexual relationships with children?
On this one, she must go to the legal threshold of 'childhood' as the threshold of legal consent... which sounds fine... but such is the nature of speciousness.. it SOUNDS great... but it's BULLSHIT.
What are the elements of Buddy's argument, wherein she advocates for the normalization of homosexuality?
Would anyone like to argue against the observation wherein I have come to conclude that the bedrock of Buddy's argument for the Normalization of Homosexuality is SCIENCE? The 'findings' of social scientists that through decades of many technologically advanced 'studies' that science has PROVEN that Homosexuality is NOT deviant? That such is quite 'normal' and as such, there can be said to be no trace of any cognitive disorder? Thus where such is normal and no functional disorder is present, that such is NORMAL... and all claims that such is not, are therefore invalid, antiquated notions, often set in superstition and skewed understandings of previous and long discredited notions of MORALITY?
Now... given that such is incontestable, we can readily see, that where SCIENCE has provided evidence that 'children often benefit from consensual sexual relationships with adults'... and that where SCIENCE is the arbiter of what becomes LAW... and Morality is rejected as such an arbiter... it is a certainty that the legal thresholds which establish 'legal consent' will be lowered to whatever threshold SCIENCE determines to be suitable; and thus, it is imperative to those who advocate for such, to do what?
What is the ONLY ISSUE which stands between the normalization of ADULT/CHILD SEX and the moral thresholds which presently prevent such...?
Would anyone like to advance an argument which determines that there is SOMETHING OTHER THAN: MORALITY... which stands between the decline of such standards, which would LEGALIZE Pedophilia and the present laws which forbid it?
If so, bring it the HELL ON!...
Bully said:
While I am uncertain as to the basis of your peculiar brand of morality I feel certain in saying that it has little to do with real consequences in this life or this world.
PubliusInfinitum said:
I see...
Yet where such was otherwise necessary to sustain a valid point; you can't find the intellectual honesty
to even cite an example of 'real consequences'... despite your emphatic certainty... how positively clever.
My 'peculiar morality' simply requires that where standards are at the minimum, those who use those standards as a guide by which to measure their public behavior, will behave somewhere just south of what the standard requires.
Bully said:
The only regressive here is you, but let's not forget your fellow traveler PallidRetard. Your shared stance is based on little more than religious doctrine and blind prejudice, hearkening back to an earlier time...like the Dark Ages in Europe...
ROFLMNAO...
And this is based upon what precisely?
What is the basis of those standards? Deontological...? Theological...? Absolutist...? What, exactly serves as the foundation for your moral standards?
Welllll Alll righty THEN! So you're conceding that you've no basis for the irrational swirve to confuse religious principle with DOCTRINE...
Fair enough... Now feel free to DEMAND that ya didn't concede, despite the certain evidence provided above, where you did just that; through trying to prove that my 'peculiar value system' is found in judeo-Christian values... wherein you erroneously conclude that the PRINCIPLES on which those values rest amount to DOCTRINE; thus the application of those PRINCIPLES in establishing public law, thus public standards equate to the establishment of a CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY...
It's a well worn non sequitur of the absurd variety... but it is hysterical (in at least two contexts and on several levels) that you couldnÂ’t resist to trot such out as
the essence of pure reason...
ROFLMNAO...
Now, I eagerly await your evidence of "calamitous and catastrophic' consequences to individuals, communities and society as a whole in giving granting same gender couples the right to marry...A right it was never the government's to deny.
Sure... that's not a problem:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...rable-harm-marriage-same-sex.html#post1212227
In that link you'll find the argument wherein a timeline is measured against a rapidly falling moral standard; wherein the harmful ramifications of those crumbling standards are noted... the time frame is just post the free-love age of the 1960s, through to the present where the Homosexuality has been declared to be normal, marriage is being refined to include two people of the same gender; with polygamists stepping up to Re-redefine it to include three or more people and Congress is pass legislation which tacitly promote pedophiles to a protected class...
An argument against which no valid contest has yet to be advanced, so take a look at it and see what you can come up with...
My guess is you'll have you ass handed to you.
Your "timeline", as you call it, is nothing more than a string of unsupported assertions... [/quote]
Are they? Well then you'll be kind enough to point out the challenges to ANY of that timeline, wherein such support would be pointed...
As a general rule, a challenge would include something such as a contesting OPINION... where upon someone would claim something like: "There was no debate int he 1970s wherein an advocacy of homosexual rights assured the culture that Homosexuals would not ask the culture to redefine marriage to include Homosexuals... "
Now would you like to offer such a contest? If so BRING IT... otherwise, the OPINION wherein that timeline is set, remains whole and UNCHALLENGED...
Perhaps you want to contest the facts surrounding the exclusively homosexual advocacy for the normalization of adult/child sex...
Perhaps you want to challenge the Opinion I offered wherein the President of the US in the 1990s provided the cultural guidance that oral sex wasn't Sex... which resulted in a the middle school children being found engaging in oral sex 'group activities.'
Perhaps you'll find that there is no evidence of unfettered sexual material in our mass media... maybe you'll challenge my opinions regarding the sexualizing of children in that media... or my opinions that the normalization of homosexuality has resulted in prebuescent children are openly claiming amongst themselves that they are "Bi" or 'curious'...
Pick one or ALL... but where you chose to mount a CHALLENGE, the response to that challenge will be pointed directly to the content of your challenge and where you lazily proclaim that you're merely challenging them "ALL;" you'll find that where evidence of ANY SINGLE ONE, will refute the whole, which YOU ESTABLISHED...
So there's your homework Skippy... you best get right to it.
Opinions, in other words...with a link to an unrelated web page having something to do with triad marriages. Polyandry/Polygamy are not at issue here.
The link was to the web page of the TRIADS... which are a group which have LONG challenged the scope of Marriage, which limits Marriage to one male and one female...
Thus the issue of declining social standards, wherein the subtext sets the validity and sustainability of the present definition of marriage, would necessarily include those challenging such...
Unless you're attempting to deflect the debate from its current course... A course which leaves you looking like a bigger buffoon than you already do.
ROFLMNAO... Oh SWEET IRONY! She can be SUCH a BITCH!
Bully said:
Your ass is handed to you. Would you prefer it served hot?...Or cold?
Ain't delusion GRAND...?