Revealed: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

[asterism]

OP-Yeah, and they may not look at it until you are seen to be talking to terrorists ZZZZZZZZZ. Pub dupes.

Does it have to be an actual terrorist or just a suspected terrorist?

So this means that if you are on an FBI watchlist (reported by your Psychiatrist) all of my online data is fair game because you and I post on the same board?

 

[asterism]

OP-Yeah, and they may not look at it until you are seen to be talking to terrorists ZZZZZZZZZ. Pub dupes.

You're fair minded, non-partisan analysis is most appreciated.

You're welcome. I'm always right and never lie. It's reading between the lines. Pubs and Fox etc lie, corporate media and the Dems they cover are PC outraged but actually media driven...this too will calm down. LUCKILY THE ADULTS ARE IN CHARGE. Fact.

Which adults are those?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

OP-Yeah, and they may not look at it until you are seen to be talking to terrorists ZZZZZZZZZ. Pub dupes.

Does it have to be an actual terrorist or just a suspected terrorist?

So this means that if you are on an FBI watchlist (reported by your Psychiatrist) all of my online data is fair game because you and I post on the same board?

‘Fair game’ for what?

What does that even mean?

Is this just paranoia or ignorance? Or both?

‘The government’ can’t prosecute you based on the information gathered by the surveillance programs. They don’t want to prosecute anyone, as the programs would likely be compromised.

 

[asterism]

OP-Yeah, and they may not look at it until you are seen to be talking to terrorists ZZZZZZZZZ. Pub dupes.

Does it have to be an actual terrorist or just a suspected terrorist?

So this means that if you are on an FBI watchlist (reported by your Psychiatrist) all of my online data is fair game because you and I post on the same board?

‘Fair game’ for what?

What does that even mean?

Is this just paranoia or ignorance? Or both?

‘The government’ can’t prosecute you based on the information gathered by the surveillance programs. They don’t want to prosecute anyone, as the programs would likely be compromised.

You've never been audited by the IRS have you?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Does it have to be an actual terrorist or just a suspected terrorist?

So this means that if you are on an FBI watchlist (reported by your Psychiatrist) all of my online data is fair game because you and I post on the same board?

‘Fair game’ for what?

What does that even mean?

Is this just paranoia or ignorance? Or both?

‘The government’ can’t prosecute you based on the information gathered by the surveillance programs. They don’t want to prosecute anyone, as the programs would likely be compromised.

You've never been audited by the IRS have you?

That has noting to do with the thread topic.

So we can infer you’re motivated by both paranoia and ignorance.

 

[Rct_Tsoul]

Don't forget about smart phones ............. and the forward facing VIDEO camra.
So ......... lawmakers, Congress & Senators should take note.
I am not going to name NAMES, but we got some horrid videos of individuals on porn websites and video of them spankin the monkey ..........
So ....... next time any gun control bills come through, it would be a good idea to vote correctly unless you want these videos of yourself on YouTube.
I know what your thinking ........... YouTube will take them down .......... but they won't, all we need to do is have your genitalia blurred out, but it is very clear what you are doing.
Vote Correctly !!!

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yanno.........................I talk to people via e-mail.

I watch internet porn on occasion.

I check news sites to see what's going on.

I also don't kill people.

I like to make friends.

I really don't care if the NSA, CIA, or FBI is looking in on me. I had a problem with the IRS, but that is fixed now, because not only did I pay back taxes, but I also paid the fines.

They can see whatever they wish as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing to hide.

 

[dblack]

Yanno.........................I talk to people via e-mail.

I watch internet porn on occasion.

I check news sites to see what's going on.

I also don't kill people.

I like to make friends.

I really don't care if the NSA, CIA, or FBI is looking in on me. I had a problem with the IRS, but that is fixed now, because not only did I pay back taxes, but I also paid the fines.

They can see whatever they wish as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing to hide.

Indeed. Only the guilty would ever be concerned about being spied on. What are you all up to that makes you so worried?

 

[editec]

Revealed: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

I'm counting on that.

You ought to, too.

Don't think of it as an invasion of your privacy, think of it as your DIRECT CONDUIT to your government.

 

[dilloduck]

Revealed: NSA program collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

I'm counting on that.

You ought to, too.

Don't think of it as an invasion of your privacy, think of it as your DIRECT CONDUIT to your government.

Are you intending on creating a super virus and hoping it infects NSA ?

 

[dilloduck]

So do they know what porno I watched the other day? I wonder if they enjoyed it as much as I did. I haven't heard anything back...

You won't hear them coming until it's too late. If you were an American and they needed some blackmail material, they have.

 

[Wildman]

So do they know what porno I watched the other day? I wonder if they enjoyed it as much as I did. I haven't heard anything back...

did you get laid after watching that porno ? or during ?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The private sector does that too.

Uses it for adverts.

That bother you as well? It's another way public funds get funneled into private hands.

So what you're saying is that Amazon or Facebook, which are only able to collect my data by my willingly using their software, and which I may stop using at any time I'd like, is comparable to the NSA collecting the data on every single website I visit, reading the content and metadata of all my emails, and any chat I may happen to take part in without my consent? I don't think so.

Actually, yes.

You can stop using the internet and wireless communications as well to avoid perceived government surveillance.

The ‘argument’ that you ‘have’ to use the internet and wireless communications in the 21st Century, that it’s impossible to survive without doing so is not valid.

And the NSA collecting the data on every single website you visit, reading the content and metadata of all your emails, and any chat you may happen to take part in without your consent is legal and Constitutional because you have no expectation of privacy with regard to these communications once that information is provided to a private third party, such as an ISP or wireless phone company.

Moreover, because the data are not collected pursuant to a criminal investigation or prosecution, there are no 4th Amendment search and seizure issues in play. That you ‘feel’ the government ‘might’ use the information against you at some point and in some nefarious manner in the future is not Constitutionally valid, and not grounds for making a 4th Amendment right to privacy violation claim in Federal court. See: Clapper v. Amnesty International (2013).

What's disturbing is that you are serious.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Yanno.........................I talk to people via e-mail watch internet porn on occasion.

I check news sites to see what's going on.

I also don't kill people.

I like to make friends.

I really don't care if the NSA, CIA, or FBI is looking in on me. I had a problem with the IRS, but that is fixed now, because not only did I pay back taxes, but I also paid the fines.

They can see whatever they wish as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing to hide.

Exactly the same response the Rs were offering when HS was wiretapping emails....."if youre not doing anything wrong......". Y'all really don't care about freedom at all.

 

[dblack]

So what you're saying is that Amazon or Facebook, which are only able to collect my data by my willingly using their software, and which I may stop using at any time I'd like, is comparable to the NSA collecting the data on every single website I visit, reading the content and metadata of all my emails, and any chat I may happen to take part in without my consent? I don't think so.

Actually, yes.

You can stop using the internet and wireless communications as well to avoid perceived government surveillance.

The ‘argument’ that you ‘have’ to use the internet and wireless communications in the 21st Century, that it’s impossible to survive without doing so is not valid.

And the NSA collecting the data on every single website you visit, reading the content and metadata of all your emails, and any chat you may happen to take part in without your consent is legal and Constitutional because you have no expectation of privacy with regard to these communications once that information is provided to a private third party, such as an ISP or wireless phone company.

Moreover, because the data are not collected pursuant to a criminal investigation or prosecution, there are no 4th Amendment search and seizure issues in play. That you ‘feel’ the government ‘might’ use the information against you at some point and in some nefarious manner in the future is not Constitutionally valid, and not grounds for making a 4th Amendment right to privacy violation claim in Federal court. See: Clapper v. Amnesty International (2013).

What's disturbing is that you are serious.

Yeah. Tell me about it.

I keep thinking back about how I saw my nation in my youth - how most of us looked at these issues before 9/11. I certainly never dreamed American political dissidents would be seeking asylum in Russia.

9/11 didn't change everything. But it did change us. I crippled our spirit, our courage, and our willingness to stand up for our principles in the face of risk. I fear future generations will look back and see it as the beginning of the end of American exceptionalism*.


* To clarify, I'm not referring to American Exceptionalism in the neo-con sense - but rather de Tocqueville's original conception.

 

[Rct_Tsoul]

So what you're saying is that Amazon or Facebook, which are only able to collect my data by my willingly using their software, and which I may stop using at any time I'd like, is comparable to the NSA collecting the data on every single website I visit, reading the content and metadata of all my emails, and any chat I may happen to take part in without my consent? I don't think so.

Actually, yes.

You can stop using the internet and wireless communications as well to avoid perceived government surveillance.

The ‘argument’ that you ‘have’ to use the internet and wireless communications in the 21st Century, that it’s impossible to survive without doing so is not valid.

And the NSA collecting the data on every single website you visit, reading the content and metadata of all your emails, and any chat you may happen to take part in without your consent is legal and Constitutional because you have no expectation of privacy with regard to these communications once that information is provided to a private third party, such as an ISP or wireless phone company.

Moreover, because the data are not collected pursuant to a criminal investigation or prosecution, there are no 4th Amendment search and seizure issues in play. That you ‘feel’ the government ‘might’ use the information against you at some point and in some nefarious manner in the future is not Constitutionally valid, and not grounds for making a 4th Amendment right to privacy violation claim in Federal court. See: Clapper v. Amnesty International (2013).

What's disturbing is that you are serious.

That is correct, 10 years ago I could have done what the NSA is doing right now from my home computer, wouldn't need a large building and 100's of employees.
If you read your service agreement with your ISP ....... all summed up it says that it is your responsibility to protect your computer thus using the internet ........... you are in the doggy-style position spreading your ass cheaks to the world, not just your government ........... then daring anyone to **** it ....... its all on you.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

OP-Yeah, and they may not look at it until you are seen to be talking to terrorists ZZZZZZZZZ. Pub dupes.

No, actually they can look at it if a friend of a friend of a friend happened to talk to somebody online or over the telephone who is not in the U.S. Doesn't matter whether anybody involved is actually a terrorist. As I said jokingly earlier in the thread, that there are people from countries outside the U.S. on this message board is likely enough for the NSA to justify looking through all of our communications, and our friends' communications, and their friends' communications, etc...

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

OP-Yeah, and they may not look at it until you are seen to be talking to terrorists ZZZZZZZZZ. Pub dupes.

You're fair minded, non-partisan analysis is most appreciated.

You're welcome. I'm always right and never lie. It's reading between the lines. Pubs and Fox etc lie, corporate media and the Dems they cover are PC outraged but actually media driven...this too will calm down. LUCKILY THE ADULTS ARE IN CHARGE. Fact.

Claiming you're always right is bold even for this message board.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Actually, yes.

You can stop using the internet and wireless communications as well to avoid perceived government surveillance.

The ‘argument’ that you ‘have’ to use the internet and wireless communications in the 21st Century, that it’s impossible to survive without doing so is not valid.

And the NSA collecting the data on every single website you visit, reading the content and metadata of all your emails, and any chat you may happen to take part in without your consent is legal and Constitutional because you have no expectation of privacy with regard to these communications once that information is provided to a private third party, such as an ISP or wireless phone company.

Moreover, because the data are not collected pursuant to a criminal investigation or prosecution, there are no 4th Amendment search and seizure issues in play. That you ‘feel’ the government ‘might’ use the information against you at some point and in some nefarious manner in the future is not Constitutionally valid, and not grounds for making a 4th Amendment right to privacy violation claim in Federal court. See: Clapper v. Amnesty International (2013).

What's disturbing is that you are serious.

That is correct, 10 years ago I could have done what the NSA is doing right now from my home computer, wouldn't need a large building and 100's of employees.
If you read your service agreement with your ISP ....... all summed up it says that it is your responsibility to protect your computer thus using the internet ........... you are in the doggy-style position spreading your ass cheaks to the world, not just your government ........... then daring anyone to **** it ....... its all on you.

Nope. Its all on the govt. I expect hackers to try to compromise electronic transmissions so I protect against those illegal acts. I don't expect govt to hack and look at my electronic data and transmissions. So no, the crime is on the govt.

 

[Plasmaball]

The private sector does that too.

Uses it for adverts.

That bother you as well? It's another way public funds get funneled into private hands.

So what you're saying is that Amazon or Facebook, which are only able to collect my data by my willingly using their software, and which I may stop using at any time I'd like, is comparable to the NSA collecting the data on every single website I visit, reading the content and metadata of all my emails, and any chat I may happen to take part in without my consent? I don't think so.

Actually, yes.

You can stop using the internet and wireless communications as well to avoid perceived government surveillance.

The ‘argument’ that you ‘have’ to use the internet and wireless communications in the 21st Century, that it’s impossible to survive without doing so is not valid.

And the NSA collecting the data on every single website you visit, reading the content and metadata of all your emails, and any chat you may happen to take part in without your consent is legal and Constitutional because you have no expectation of privacy with regard to these communications once that information is provided to a private third party, such as an ISP or wireless phone company.

Moreover, because the data are not collected pursuant to a criminal investigation or prosecution, there are no 4th Amendment search and seizure issues in play. That you ‘feel’ the government ‘might’ use the information against you at some point and in some nefarious manner in the future is not Constitutionally valid, and not grounds for making a 4th Amendment right to privacy violation claim in Federal court. See: Clapper v. Amnesty International (2013).

Sigh clay....its only legal because of the bill they passed. It doesnt make it right nor constitutional.