Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians

[Shusha]

Btw, cessation of hostilities is also a universal condition to any peace talks.

So when is Israel going to cease its hostilities?

Israel is not committing any hostilities. Israel is only responding to hostilities committed against them.

 

[member]

We just can't have the SAME running chase of the history of this conflict in every thread in the I/P forum. If your post is not about the current event of changes in the US aid policy to the Palestinians, dont' hit reply. EVERY THREAD has a UNIQUE topic. No one wants to read the SAME 2400 year history of the region over and over and over again.

If you want to discuss the HISTORY of this stalemate -- use the "sticky threads' in the forum listings or start your own thread. Posts off topic will be deleted and warned. If you don't CARE about this current event -- find another thread.

Not gonna be an another mod note here. Just thread bans and warnings and deletions..

"If your post is not about the current event of changes in the US aid policy to the Palestinians, dont' hit reply.."





ok. i'll try.

"Reshaping US aid to the palestinians."

...i'm all for helping. Food, water, medicine, deodorant, diapers, baby formula, m&m's.....




....i'm not for cutting checks and mailing them to:

The Palestinians
c/o Hamass and Abbass
123 Jihad Way
An-Salah Township
West Bank, Palestine 000111-WB234

how does it work again? maybe that part can be better negotiated ...

who gets that check at Beth Israel Hospital that goes towards "treating the palestinians." what kind of treatment? no problem, here's....medicine and bandaids and other tangible medicine.

ask what's-his-face to [cut the zillion $$ check] to fund the jerusalem hospitals that help "treat the palestinians."




we need the $$$ to use for our own hospitals. all the $$$$$$$ illegal mexicans [and the rest of the moochers from south america] cost the the working people......we can use the extra couple of bucks [we're saving] to help pay for them to......continue to mooch more. Let's keep it "local."

 

[Coyote]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ Coyote, et al,

These are no preconditions for negotiation.

Preconditions involved recognizing Israel as a Jewish state and cessation of attempts to get international recognition through the UN.

(COMMENT)

These are long since past → the last session of negotiation mid-2014, the Arab Palestinians have demanded a freeze settlement building and release of convicted prisoners as conditions for further negotiations.

But the sit-down at the table is not the same thing as "Good Faith" as in the Principles of international law Concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States and the fulfillment of the obligations assumed by the Arab Palestines. IF the Arab Palestinians refuse to sit-down and make a 'Good Faith" effort THEN what. Does that mean that the status quo is acceptable to the Arab Palestinians? (RHETORICAL)

What are the consequences?

Most Respectfully,
R

What is the actual difference between pre-conditions for peace and pre-conditions for negotiating...none really. What is the point of negotiating something for which there are preconditions set? Shouldn’t those conditions be part of the good faith effort of sitting to talk rather being removed from the process all together? In end it is the same, an obstacle to negotiation.

 

[Coyote]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ Coyote, et al,

Is there a strategy here at all? (RHETORICAL) Don't assume there is a clever plan or political strategy when there is a lack of a discoverable Middle Policy.

Each new president is a new negotiation.
What carrots did Trump give the Palestinians? Be specific.

(COMMENT)

The current White House is just playing at foreign policy. But really, when you hear any seriously intelligent question put to them on the issues that face us today, all you get is babble, orbiting around the issues by with no clear or straight direction in a circular running track.

The White House is directing its energies to a coercive prodding based on a "no choice" (empty set) political alternative. It is an induced situation to make it worse to see what response is generated out of the Arab Palestinians. If the Arab Palestinians simply do nothing in response, then they simply have lost their position with respect to Jerusalem. Unable to respond, the Arab Palestinians accept the default position that Jerusalem is the Israeli Capitol which makes the Israeli holdings sovereign territory.

There is no carrot for the Arab Palestinians. And as for the sugar in the hand we feed to the Israelis, it was just an early Christmas present.

What sticks has Israel ever really gotten? The US blocks them. Has Trump brandished any sticks to coerce the Israelis to the table?

I recall that Israel had pre conditions to be met...did she waive them?

(COMMENT)

Israel doesn't really have any negotiation pre-conditions other than that there be "NO" demands necessary to meet as a pre-condition to negotiations. The Israelis can sit on the status quo forever and it would not politically injure them. But the Arab Palestinians become ever more desperate as time trudges on. They are desperately trying to put pressure on the Israelis.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel has preconditions for peace. It is de facto preconditions for talks because what is the point of talking peace if you have preconditions s for peace. In the it is the same thing.

“I am not going to argue who Jerusalem should belong to [. . .].”



"But the reality is both sides feel:

strongly and passionately about it...."



"...both have long standing populations there and religious and historical connections. Up until now negotiations have recognized that it was part of the negotiation process.”


(imoo):

You can’t negotiate peace with terrorists …

I do not believe it. that you're naïve to terrorists.

a.f.a.i.c: Don’t get mixed up with the term resistor - we all know what it means….it’s just a fancy-schmancy, sugarcoated name for a Palestinian terrorist. The: “Israel created hamas, ij, etc” ideology. Sorry, it’s your "free horrible terrorist will..." not in God's name... LaLaLa, ka-boom.



Hey, I’m all for pt tickmore and his theatre group folk and face painting festival people to have their own…Country/state – without terrorists in the picture as leaders or anywhere near the place.....



and abbass….





i find them to be alike in their leadership. They let the terrorists handle their dirty work.


all his hand-shaking ....




















he knew what went along with being elected “President” for the Palestinian theatre group people:



- photo ops




- traveling around




ha! ....behind-the-scenes, they had a kite w/his name on it….


So, where’s the negotiators for peace?


Is it that........ you too, don’t see Hamass as a terrorist organization and see them in a different “resistance” light?


LIKE THIS? Is this better ? that resistance look....









The government of the Palestinian people are ½ terrorists and 1/2 asleep. Omg….



“Israel has preconditions for peace.”








i dunno...I bet they have a few legitimate "pre-conditions" set forth [for peace]. some i bet...



...revolve around the terrorists and their pre-conditons for peace charter.…




"It is de facto preconditions for talks because what is the point of talking peace if you have preconditions for peace. In the [ ?] it is the same thing.”




defacto- whaaah?

Your posts are extremely cumbersome to make sense of. If you are asking whether I see Hamas as a terrorist organization, the answer is yes.

 

[Coyote]

The United States is by far the largest donor of financial aid to the Palestinians, with this assistance touching nearly every aspect of life in the Palestinian Authority. But US President Donald Trump threatened on Tuesday to end this aid to the Palestinians, angered by Ramallah’s refusal to cooperate with the US’s efforts to jump-start Israeli-Palestinian peace talks after he declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel in December.

The Palestinians want East Jerusalem to be the capital of their future state.

Trump tweeted on Tuesday that Washington was paying the PA hundreds of millions of dollars a year “for nothing,” and complained that the US received “no appreciation or respect” in return.

How much aid does the US give Palestinians, and what’s it for?

How is the US jump starting negotiations? What is Trumps plan here?

Trump is pissed that the PA is angry over his Jerusalem move and refused to engage in talks because they feel the US can no longer be a good faith partner. That is what all this cutting of aid is about. Trump’s personal vendetta.

 

[Coyote]

Btw, cessation of hostilities is also a universal condition to any peace talks.

So when is Israel going to cease its hostilities?

Israel is not committing any hostilities. Israel is only responding to hostilities committed against them.

Settlement building can be considered a hostile action.

 

[Coyote]

Palestine has been uniquely called out for “punishment” despite the fact that other aid recipients have similar problems. Again, if it were Israel, folks would be calling it anti-semitism and condemning it.

There is nothing "unique" about aide being cut for Palestine. The Trump government has been notorious for cutting aide or calling for cutting aide to all sorts of countries for all sorts of reasons. Pakistan. India. Egypt. Honduras. Yemen. Mexico. El Salvador. Guatemala. Ghana. Vietnam. Zimbabwe.

There is nothing unique about Palestine. Unless you want to say they uniquely, as a government, not only incite terrorist acts but REWARD them. As a policy of government. That is abhorrent. It is inhumane. Is there another government which stands at the UN and proudly announces that millions of dollars of their annual budget goes toward paying terrorists to kill people?

US aide to Pakistan was cut because they didn't do enough to prevent and combat terrorism. Why shouldn't US aide to Palestine be cut for the abhorrent crime against humanity of having a government policy of paying wages to terrorists?!

What humanitarian aid has actually been cut from those countries? Have their diplomatic missions been shut down? Has aid to hospitals and education been cut? Has all aid been cut?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ Coyote, et al,

What is the actual difference between pre-conditions for peace and pre-conditions for negotiating...none really. What is the point of negotiating something for which there are preconditions set? Shouldn’t those conditions be part of the good faith effort of sitting to talk rather being removed from the process all together? In end it is the same, an obstacle to negotiation.

(ANSWER)

What are preconditions for negotiations?

• These are conditions set just to agree to sit down and talk (negotiate) terms.

Example: A precondition for before negotiation to take place might be that Israel to temporarily halt settlement construction.​

What are preconditions for peace?

• These are conditions set by negotiated terms before a permanent peace is set.

Example: A precondition for before permanent peace goes into effect might be that Israel agrees to withdraw from certain territory.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ Coyote, P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

Well this idea of something is "considered" by one side or the other has consequences; but, might on be valid.

Btw, cessation of hostilities is also a universal condition to any peace talks.

So when is Israel going to cease its hostilities?

Israel is not committing any hostilities. Israel is only responding to hostilities committed against them.

Settlement building can be considered a hostile action.

(COMMENT)

The West Bank, by prior agreement with the sole representatives of the Arab Palestinian People, was designed into one of three areas.

Area A
Area A • Full civil and security control by the Palestinian Authority

Area B
Area B •• Palestinian civil control and joint Israeli-Palestinian security control initially

Area C
Area C • Full Israeli civil and security control with Israeli settlements and Israeli military checkpoints, where the access is closed and restricted to Palestinians. Settlement were listed in the Oslo Accords as subject to the permanent status of negotiation.​

This again was done in the full light of day and witnessed by representatives of the international community.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Darkwind]

I originally posted this in another thread as a response...but it's intriguing enough to deserve it's own discussion. I adamently oppose the Trump administration's unilateral cutting off of all aid to the Palestinians. Trump has no Middle East plan - all he believes in is punishing people into submission without regard to human suffering. However, this article offers some good ideas on how aid could be structured more effectively.

Maybe You don't understand Trump's strategy, the only time when such new ideas surface regarding actual positive changes in Palestinian society - is only when other options are left unavailable. And it works.
There's another likely strategy in negotiation management - one puts the best offer on the table at the very beginning. Each new stage of negotiations is reacted with a reduction of the offer. It works as well.

Also one has to remember that the people on the other side of the table are wealthy govt leaders who's main personal income has been international aid, but barely show any real investment or interest in the development of the society.

Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians

With prospects for diplomacy dim, with the need to change reality on the ground to restore a sense of possibility, and with past lessons showing that assistance should be used to promote development and reduce Israeli-Palestinian friction, we propose three recommendations for Congress to reprogram the $200 million fiscal 2018 monies to create a more stable economic, political and security environment in Gaza and the West Bank:

First, use that assistance to take water off the negotiating table. In the not too distant past, water negotiations were zero-sum, given the limited supply of water between the Mediterranean and Jordan River. Now, due to technological gains in water desalination, water use and reuse, water negotiations are no longer binary trade-offs. Instead, they can focus on the much simpler challenges of distribution and pricing.

What could this mean in practice? U.S. assistance in Gaza can fund a small solar field to power the existing Gaza Wastewater Treatment Plant, build up the community-based solar desalination units piloted by MIT, expand the UNICEF solar-fuel facility in Gaza’s Khan Younis neighborhood, initiate additional phases of the World Bank-funded North Gaza Emergency Sanitation Treatment plant, and repair water infrastructure degraded by three wars. Water also is directly linked to electricity; progress in water and sanitation will yield a better, more predictable power supply. There is real potential for small-scale, renewable power throughout Gaza, supplying energy at the community level while minimizing the risk of disruption historically associated with Gaza’s power plant.

Second, U.S. assistance should be used to substantially expand trade between Palestinians and Israelis. Consider the northern West Bank city of Jenin: Israel decided 15 years ago that if it opened a crossing point so Israeli Arabs could shop in the West Bank, it would be a stabilizer, even though the Second Intifada rebellion was ongoing. That calculation was successful; increased Palestinian trade has reduced unemployment in the northern West Bank from reportedly 50 percent in 2003 to below 20 percent now. These robust trading channels have opened sustainable opportunities for small and medium-sized businesses, improved local governance and fostered broad-based security for Palestinians and Israelis alike. In 2003, Jenin was the center for suicide bombers during the peak of the Second Intifada but now is one of the more successful Palestinian cities.

The Jenin model is replicable. American aid can help establish similar trading zones in the West Bank city of Qalqilya where Palestinian traders, shopkeepers and small businesses can sell directly to the large Israeli Arab community a few miles away. The Jenin model also can work in Gaza: Palestinian textile manufacturers have relationships with Israeli designers and European markets; Gaza historically supplied much of the fresh fruits and vegetables in Israel. These relationships could restart in months with the sustained, predictable opening of the Karem Shalom crossing and additional trading corridors from Erez or elsewhere.

Perhaps most interesting is the nascent but growing Gaza tech sector, where Gaza Sky Geeks is incubating Palestinian start-ups and more established firms are initiating software development with tech firms in Israel and beyond. Israel’s tech industry has more than 10,000 unfilled jobs which could be filled from the surplus of high-tech graduates in the West Bank and Gaza.

Third, education is a key foundation for a better future. Israelis and Americans have long criticized the Palestinian Authority for not educating its people for peace. Why not engage American universities and NGOs to elevate the Palestinian education system and prepare Palestinians for a 21st century economy? Bard College has provided long-term teacher training at Al Quds University in which teachers and principals earn an American master’s degree in education and serve as leaders in their schools. Imagine if education programming and people-to-people funding allowed the best cohort of Palestinian youth to study in Israeli universities, intern at Israeli high-tech firms, and do residencies at Israeli hospitals. ​

I see a plan to apply US aid, use of Israeli job-market, economy and campuses.
Q. What are the returns for the investment?

I'm actually and advocate for an opposite approach.

I would put My minimum offer on the table. Then, each time they counter, I would add conditions to the offer as counter.

When they get the idea that...

1. If they don't take it now, it is only going to get worse, and

2. Shows an iron-willed commitment to My position.

 

[Coyote]

These cuts aren’t to funds going to or through PA. They are funds going to organizations that help the Palestinian people.


Trump administration to cut $200 million from Palestinian aid

WASHINGTON - The Trump administration announced on Friday that it has decided to cut $200 million from the aid budget to the Palestinians that was approved by Congress earlier this year.

Most of this money was supposed to support humanitarian and economic projects in the West Bank and Gaza, and was not meant to go directly to the Palestinian Authority. The aid cut is expected to cause a deterioration in the humanitarian situation in Gaza.


Catholic workers say U.S. aid cuts to Palestinians could be disastrous

JERUSALEM — The United States budgetary cuts to humanitarian aid institutions helping Palestinians could lead to long-term disastrous consequences, said Catholic aid workers in the region.

...In early September, U.S. President Donald Trump said his administration would cut $200 million of aid to medical and humanitarian aid providers. He had already announced that the U.S. would withhold $350 million from the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East -- amounting to more than one-quarter of the organization's annual budget.

DuBose said CRS' five-year $50-million program "Envision Gaza 2020" program, which is funded by USAID and provides food and necessity vouchers as well as short-term employment opportunities for Palestinians in Gaza, will be directly impacted by Trump's decision.

 

[Shusha]

Btw, cessation of hostilities is also a universal condition to any peace talks.

So when is Israel going to cease its hostilities?

Israel is not committing any hostilities. Israel is only responding to hostilities committed against them.

Settlement building can be considered a hostile action.

Really? The presence of Jews (because we ARE only talking about Jews here) in certain places in the world is considered a hostile act?!

The presence of Jews in places they returned to after being ethnically cleansed is an act of hostility? Places like the Old City where Jews have lived for thousands of years? Places like Hebron where the patriarchs are buried?

Is the presence of Arabs on the Temple Mount, the Holiest place in Judaism also a hostile act? Why or why not?

 

[Coyote]

Btw, cessation of hostilities is also a universal condition to any peace talks.

So when is Israel going to cease its hostilities?

Israel is not committing any hostilities. Israel is only responding to hostilities committed against them.

Settlement building can be considered a hostile action.

Really? The presence of Jews (because we ARE only talking about Jews here) in certain places in the world is considered a hostile act?!

The presence of Jews in places they returned to after being ethnically cleansed is an act of hostility? Places like the Old City where Jews have lived for thousands of years? Places like Hebron where the patriarchs are buried?

Is the presence of Arabs on the Temple Mount, the Holiest place in Judaism also a hostile act? Why or why not?

No.

It isn’t the presence of Jews. It is the building of new settlements in contested areas and moving people into them.

And gee all these settlements seem to be Jewish only. Any Arab ones are deemed illegal.

So yes. Ina contested a territory it certainly can be viewed as a hostile action and not because it is Jews.

 

[flacaltenn]

The United States is by far the largest donor of financial aid to the Palestinians, with this assistance touching nearly every aspect of life in the Palestinian Authority. But US President Donald Trump threatened on Tuesday to end this aid to the Palestinians, angered by Ramallah’s refusal to cooperate with the US’s efforts to jump-start Israeli-Palestinian peace talks after he declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel in December.

The Palestinians want East Jerusalem to be the capital of their future state.

Trump tweeted on Tuesday that Washington was paying the PA hundreds of millions of dollars a year “for nothing,” and complained that the US received “no appreciation or respect” in return.

How much aid does the US give Palestinians, and what’s it for?

How is the US jump starting negotiations? What is Trumps plan here?

Trump is pissed that the PA is angry over his Jerusalem move and refused to engage in talks because they feel the US can no longer be a good faith partner. That is what all this cutting of aid is about. Trump’s personal vendetta.

Doesn't appear to be a vendetta. Trump is just following the same failed strategy of trying to jump start the PA back to life so Israel can HAVE a partner to negotiate with. There have been no less than 6 peace pow wows between the PA and Hamas in the past 5 or 6 years. ALL HAVE FAILED.

The "pre-conditions" are irrelevant if you don't HAVE a diplomatic delegation to negotiate with. Can you REFUTE that last statement? And "foreign aid" is also iffy if you don't have an address of a responsible govt to allocate and distribute it.

The "negotiation" here by the Trump Admin is no different in lack of brilliance from the Bush Admin PUSHING premature elections on the PA. The PA is NOT the structure that is in a POSITION to negotiate for peace on behalf of ALL Palestinians. They need to reform their governance to THEIR expectations and comfort levels. And then add a very light "federated" govt on top of that -- that will speak for the all the Palestinians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Btw, cessation of hostilities is also a universal condition to any peace talks.

So when is Israel going to cease its hostilities?

Israel is not committing any hostilities. Israel is only responding to hostilities committed against them.

Settlement building can be considered a hostile action.

Building settlements does not sound that bad. It is the destruction and theft of Palestinian property and the attack and expulsion of the Palestinians that is the problem.

 

[fncceo]

What good faith carrots have they been given by Trump? What sticks has Israel received?

They were given the greenhouses to grow their own carrots ... they destroyed them.

 

[Coyote]

The United States is by far the largest donor of financial aid to the Palestinians, with this assistance touching nearly every aspect of life in the Palestinian Authority. But US President Donald Trump threatened on Tuesday to end this aid to the Palestinians, angered by Ramallah’s refusal to cooperate with the US’s efforts to jump-start Israeli-Palestinian peace talks after he declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel in December.

The Palestinians want East Jerusalem to be the capital of their future state.

Trump tweeted on Tuesday that Washington was paying the PA hundreds of millions of dollars a year “for nothing,” and complained that the US received “no appreciation or respect” in return.

How much aid does the US give Palestinians, and what’s it for?

How is the US jump starting negotiations? What is Trumps plan here?

Trump is pissed that the PA is angry over his Jerusalem move and refused to engage in talks because they feel the US can no longer be a good faith partner. That is what all this cutting of aid is about. Trump’s personal vendetta.

Doesn't appear to be a vendetta. Trump is just following the same failed strategy of trying to jump start the PA back to life so Israel can HAVE a partner to negotiate with. There have been no less than 6 peace pow wows between the PA and Hamas in the past 5 or 6 years. ALL HAVE FAILED.

The "pre-conditions" are irrelevant if you don't HAVE a diplomatic delegation to negotiate with. Can you REFUTE that last statement? And "foreign aid" is also iffy if you don't have an address of a responsible govt to allocate and distribute it.

The "negotiation" here by the Trump Admin is no different in lack of brilliance from the Bush Admin PUSHING premature elections on the PA. The PA is NOT the structure that is in a POSITION to negotiate for peace on behalf of ALL Palestinians. They need to reform their governance to THEIR expectations and comfort levels. And then add a very light "federated" govt on top of that -- that will speak for the all the Palestinians.

Actually you don’t have to have a responsible government to provide aid. You can bypass the government and work directly with communities which is being hurt by the cuts.

 

[flacaltenn]

The United States is by far the largest donor of financial aid to the Palestinians, with this assistance touching nearly every aspect of life in the Palestinian Authority. But US President Donald Trump threatened on Tuesday to end this aid to the Palestinians, angered by Ramallah’s refusal to cooperate with the US’s efforts to jump-start Israeli-Palestinian peace talks after he declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel in December.

The Palestinians want East Jerusalem to be the capital of their future state.

Trump tweeted on Tuesday that Washington was paying the PA hundreds of millions of dollars a year “for nothing,” and complained that the US received “no appreciation or respect” in return.

How much aid does the US give Palestinians, and what’s it for?

How is the US jump starting negotiations? What is Trumps plan here?

Trump is pissed that the PA is angry over his Jerusalem move and refused to engage in talks because they feel the US can no longer be a good faith partner. That is what all this cutting of aid is about. Trump’s personal vendetta.

Doesn't appear to be a vendetta. Trump is just following the same failed strategy of trying to jump start the PA back to life so Israel can HAVE a partner to negotiate with. There have been no less than 6 peace pow wows between the PA and Hamas in the past 5 or 6 years. ALL HAVE FAILED.

The "pre-conditions" are irrelevant if you don't HAVE a diplomatic delegation to negotiate with. Can you REFUTE that last statement? And "foreign aid" is also iffy if you don't have an address of a responsible govt to allocate and distribute it.

The "negotiation" here by the Trump Admin is no different in lack of brilliance from the Bush Admin PUSHING premature elections on the PA. The PA is NOT the structure that is in a POSITION to negotiate for peace on behalf of ALL Palestinians. They need to reform their governance to THEIR expectations and comfort levels. And then add a very light "federated" govt on top of that -- that will speak for the all the Palestinians.

Actually you don’t have to have a responsible government to provide aid. You can bypass the government and work directly with communities which is being hurt by the cuts.

That's something that NGOs are much better at. The US Fed govt SUCKS at direct LOCAL aid. I have any number of World Bank or NGO programs I can cite that CAN bypass the void of unity national govt much better then the USAID can..

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ Coyote, et al,

What is the actual difference between pre-conditions for peace and pre-conditions for negotiating...none really. What is the point of negotiating something for which there are preconditions set? Shouldn’t those conditions be part of the good faith effort of sitting to talk rather being removed from the process all together? In end it is the same, an obstacle to negotiation.

(ANSWER)

What are preconditions for negotiations?

• These are conditions set just to agree to sit down and talk (negotiate) terms.

Example: A precondition for before negotiation to take place might be that Israel to temporarily halt settlement construction.​

What are preconditions for peace?

• These are conditions set by negotiated terms before a permanent peace is set.

Example: A precondition for before permanent peace goes into effect might be that Israel agrees to withdraw from certain territory.​

Most Respectfully,
R

As we have seen in the past, Abbas would make demands to have prisoners released, or for Jewish settlement building to be frozen.

Then, what happened about 3 to four times......AFTER he got his wishes......
he reneged on coming to the table to negotiate.

This is how there are nearly 1000 ex prisoners loose around Gaza and areas A and B, with some of them murdering Jews again, attempting to do so, or helping plan new attacks on Israelis.

These are the consequences of giving in to the conditions before one has actually signed a Peace Treaty with the Arab Palestinian leaders.

What they are continuing to do, as we know it, is the same Mohammad did with the Jewish tribe in Arabia in the 7th century.

They sit it out, wait as long as it takes........promises and more promises....

It is known as the Hudna. Hamas is Playing it. The PA is playing it. The UN is playing it. The EU is playing it.

The only way to put an end to this charlatan ways is to put an end to not only UNWRA, but an end to any and all possible aid to the Palestinian leaders.
Much of that aid, does indeed end up in their pockets, and not in the poor people's care.

I posted in Who are the Palestinians, an article where people in Gaza said exactly things to this effect.
And the same would come out of people in Areas A and B.

As long as the PA leaders and Hamas leaders remain wealthy, there will be no need for them to want to make any deals.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The United States is by far the largest donor of financial aid to the Palestinians, with this assistance touching nearly every aspect of life in the Palestinian Authority. But US President Donald Trump threatened on Tuesday to end this aid to the Palestinians, angered by Ramallah’s refusal to cooperate with the US’s efforts to jump-start Israeli-Palestinian peace talks after he declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel in December.

The Palestinians want East Jerusalem to be the capital of their future state.

Trump tweeted on Tuesday that Washington was paying the PA hundreds of millions of dollars a year “for nothing,” and complained that the US received “no appreciation or respect” in return.

How much aid does the US give Palestinians, and what’s it for?

How is the US jump starting negotiations? What is Trumps plan here?

Trump is pissed that the PA is angry over his Jerusalem move and refused to engage in talks because they feel the US can no longer be a good faith partner. That is what all this cutting of aid is about. Trump’s personal vendetta.

Doesn't appear to be a vendetta. Trump is just following the same failed strategy of trying to jump start the PA back to life so Israel can HAVE a partner to negotiate with. There have been no less than 6 peace pow wows between the PA and Hamas in the past 5 or 6 years. ALL HAVE FAILED.

The "pre-conditions" are irrelevant if you don't HAVE a diplomatic delegation to negotiate with. Can you REFUTE that last statement? And "foreign aid" is also iffy if you don't have an address of a responsible govt to allocate and distribute it.

The "negotiation" here by the Trump Admin is no different in lack of brilliance from the Bush Admin PUSHING premature elections on the PA. The PA is NOT the structure that is in a POSITION to negotiate for peace on behalf of ALL Palestinians. They need to reform their governance to THEIR expectations and comfort levels. And then add a very light "federated" govt on top of that -- that will speak for the all the Palestinians.

Actually you don’t have to have a responsible government to provide aid. You can bypass the government and work directly with communities which is being hurt by the cuts.

Can you show us where that is actually happening in Gaza and the PA?
How is the help towards Palestinians in Syria going? Are they being allowed to get any food, water, etc while stuck without being allowed to leave, the "refugee camps" they are forced to stay in, instead of being allowed to become citizens of Syria, or in Lebanon, etc