Request: Please cut the marxist/stalinist/fascist/... bullshit

[Munin]

In a capitalist system, failure isn't the catastrophe you guys pretend it is.

Let's look at AIG. Had AIG "failed" (instead of being stupidly propped up on the false pretense that it could not be 'allowed" to fail) it's business would have gone ELSEWHERE. It's loss (a pruning of the dead branch) would very likely have assisted and helped nurture some of its competitors. The deservedly FIT would have survived. The SYSTEM should have been allowed to prevail.

Your concern with the temporary consequences of an economic dislocation (like AIG going bankrupt) OVERLOOKS the CONSEQUENCES that propping it up causes. Opportunities FOR other Insurance conglomerates were thereby lost and some of those competitors could go under, instead.

No thanks.

You guys keep your Marxist nonsense to yourselves. As for the rest of us, we prefer our LIMITED Government and capitalism. Do try to butt out, as OUR CONSTITUTION actually requires.

It is not marxist, you fail to acknowledge basic economic principles. If an economy is in a deep crisis and a massive bank falls over it will have longlasting consequences (compare it with a person being seriously sick, almost dying and kicking him in the stumag. If he s healthy this would not affect him very much, but when he is very vulnerable it may have long lasting consequences for him). Your limited knowledge makes you assume that everything you do not understand and moves more to the left than your left ear is marxist.

Your reasoning works for a cigaret company (example that works), because if a sigaret company goes broke it doesn't mean that their customers go broke as well. Therefor the customers that previously bought cigarettes from this brand will now buy from another brand: no harm done.

Big Insurance companies + banks, a hole different issue: customers of these companies will have huge financial losses if their go banks/insurance companies go bankrupt, as a result a huge number of people and other companies will be "infected" by its fall. For insurance companies: numerous assets will be decreased in value (especially products from other banks: which may then again cause more bankruptcies). There are only long term opportunities when 1 company breaks down in a deep economic crisis, customers that loose money can not invest the money they lost (and you d be surprised how many people put all their eggs/money in one basket/bank)!


Point in case: Lehman Brothers, any economy professor will tell you that the fall of Lehman Brothers had a profound impact on the worsening of the economic crisis.

Another point in case: Collapse of the Kaupting bank of Island resulted in the bankruptcy of Island.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

It is not marxist, you fail to acknowledge basic economic principles. If an economy is in a deep crisis and a massive bank falls over it will have longlasting consequences

Not as long lasting as crazy Keynesian schemes and borrowing money from unborn generations will have to payback.
Failure of banks and business is a necessary evil .To big to fail is a death sentence for all of US.

 

[California Girl]

Yup, PhD in genetics who hasn't lived at home and years and years. Keep making yourself look dumb, doesn't matter to me.

Talk about maturity and then make a post like this?

When you decide to lie, you go all out, don't you?

You may be a lying, dishonest scumbag, that doesn't mean everybody else is. You may go around making shit up, making claims about people you don't know, act like you know their intentions what not, but I don't.

Another asshole troll going on ignore list. SHould just find another forum, not much more than hackish trolls on this forum to discuss anything with.

You're a funny, funny guy. We laugh at you.

*Assuming for a moment that Dr G actually does have a PhD (I know, I know, but work with me here people......) rdean must be very pleased with his theory about intelligent people supporting Obama.

 

[Munin]

Not as long lasting as crazy Keynesian schemes and borrowing money from unborn generations will have to payback.
Failure of banks and business is a necessary evil .To big to fail is a death sentence for all of US.

Borrowing from unborn generations has been done for years: The biggest accumulation in debt was not during this administration, the spending of these few months are nothing in comparison of the spending that happened over the last decade.



Maybe you should make it that banks do not become to big to fail, it s like having a giant tree right next to your house ... an accident waiting to happen

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Not as long lasting as crazy Keynesian schemes and borrowing money from unborn generations will have to payback.
Failure of banks and business is a necessary evil .To big to fail is a death sentence for all of US.

Borrowing from unborn generations has been done for years: The biggest accumulation in debt was not during this administration, the spending of these few months are nothing in comparison of the spending that happened over the last decade.

Bush and Obama are the same thing, Progressive slobs
Obama will make Bush look like a piker by the time he is done .

Medicare (hospital insurance). In 1965, as Congress considered legislation to establish a national Medicare program, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital insurance portion of the program, Part A, would cost about $9 billion annually by 1990.v Actual Part A spending in 1990 was $67 billion. The actuary who provided the original cost estimates acknowledged in 1994 that, even after conservatively discounting for the unexpectedly high inflation rates of the early ‘70s and other factors, “the actual [Part A] experience was 165% higher than the estimate.”

Medicare (entire program). In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee predicted that the new Medicare program, launched the previous year, would cost about $12 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending in 1990 was $110 billion—off by nearly a factor of 10.

Medicaid DSH program. In 1987, Congress estimated that Medicaid’s disproportionate share hospital (DSH) payments—which states use to provide relief to hospitals that serve especially large numbers of Medicaid and uninsured patients—would cost less than $1 billion in 1992. The actual cost that year was a staggering $17 billion. Among other things, federal lawmakers had failed to detect loopholes in the legislation that enabled states to draw significantly more money from the federal treasury than they would otherwise have been entitled to claim under the program’s traditional 50-50 funding scheme.

Medicare home care benefit. When Congress debated changes to Medicare’s home care benefit in 1988, the projected 1993 cost of the benefit was $4 billion. The actual 1993 cost was more than twice that amount, $10 billion.

Medicare catastrophic coverage benefit. In 1988, Congress added a catastrophic coverage benefit to Medicare, to take effect in 1990. In July 1989, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) doubled its cost estimate for the program, for the four-year period 1990-1993, from $5.7 billion to $11.8 billion. CBO explained that it had received newer data showing it had significantly under-estimated prescription drug cost growth, and it warned Congress that even this revised estimate might be too low. This was a principal reason Congress repealed the program before it could take effect.

SCHIP. In 1997, Congress established the State Children’s Health Insurance Program as a capped grant program to states, and appropriated $40 billion to be doled out to states over 10 years at a rate of roughly $5 billion per year, once implemented. In each year, some states exceeded their allotments, requiring shifts of funds from other states that had not done so. By 2006, unspent reserves from prior years were nearly exhausted. To avert mass disenrollments, Congress decided to appropriate an additional $283 million in FY 2006 and an additional $650 million in FY 2007.

http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/p...orm_Cost_Estimates_Reliable__July_31_2009.pdf

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Oddball]

Not as long lasting as crazy Keynesian schemes and borrowing money from unborn generations will have to payback.
Failure of banks and business is a necessary evil .To big to fail is a death sentence for all of US.

Borrowing from unborn generations has been done for years: The biggest accumulation in debt was not during this administration, the spending of these few months are nothing in comparison of the spending that happened over the last decade.



Maybe you should make it that banks do not become to big to fail, it s like having a giant tree right next to your house ... an accident waiting to happen

You mean like the Federal Reserve, perhaps?

That one is, after all, the mother ship banking scam that made the last one possible.

 

[Darkwind]

Thank you for the graphic illustration of how the immature people among the Liberals show their true colors.
Don't take it personally, you can't help being a high school dropout who lives with his mother.

Yup, PhD in genetics who hasn't lived at home and years and years. Keep making yourself look dumb, doesn't matter to me.

Talk about maturity and then make a post like this?

When you decide to lie, you go all out, don't you?

You know what they say. If the lie is large enough.....

I think I'll assign Myself two PhD's in quantum mechanical theories.

 

[JWBooth]

Bush and Obama are the same thing, Progressive slobs
Obama will make Bush look like a piker by the time he is done .

With the exception of Harding and possibly Coolidge the march of greater government spending, growth, debt, and power continues unabated. Each potus passes the progressivist torch to the next.

 

[asaratis]

I m getting really annoyed by how much marxist/stalinist/fascist/... is being slept around these days, my advice would be:

a) go to the doctor and take a pill
b) go back to school
c) read a book
d) cut the crap


If you think yelling marxist/stalinist/fascist/... at everything that doesn't fit you makes you sound intelligent, than you couldn't be more dumb. If you have an argument make it with facts, not by yelling names. It is like some people think they re back in the kindergarden

Request denied!

Obama is a Marxist! ...and I'm not yelling it out. I am simply speaking the truth. Qbama is a Marxist!

Get that through your thick skull!

 

[Liability]

I m getting really annoyed by how much marxist/stalinist/fascist/... is being slept around these days, my advice would be:

a) go to the doctor and take a pill
b) go back to school
c) read a book
d) cut the crap


If you think yelling marxist/stalinist/fascist/... at everything that doesn't fit you makes you sound intelligent, than you couldn't be more dumb. If you have an argument make it with facts, not by yelling names. It is like some people think they re back in the kindergarden

Request denied!

Obama is a Marxist! ...and I'm not yelling it out. I am simply speaking the truth. Qbama is a Marxist!

Get that through your thick skull!

I like that post. Application DENIED.

As long as President Obama and his cadre continue to pursue his Marxist agendas, then I shall happily continue to refer to the Marxist AS a Marxist.

Objecting to proper and accurate nomenclature is simply silly, Munin.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

One of hitlers first act as ruler was to provide socialized medicine. It was one of the National Socialist German Workers' Party's (NAZIS) central core values. I think thats why people are making that comparison

I can see the stretch being made, remember people compairing bush to hiltler? Or people calling him a fascist? Pure idiocracy no matter which side does it.

Dems aren't nazi fascists, repubs aren't nazi fascists however fascists can both be conservative and liberal. Do you even know what fascism is?

From the merriam-webster dictionary:

Main Entry: fas·cism.Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\.
Function: noun.
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces.
Date: 1921.
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>

See now, it has nothing to do with right or left. More to do with how a government uses it's power to achieve it's means.

I see many of the liberal and a few of the conservative posters in here have either not read the definition of fascism or choose to ignore it since it destroys their preconceived notion of it being a "conservative" thing.

 

[Zona]

It is what it is ,
Ive never seen it laid bare more clearly starting at about 2:45

YouTube - social justice 2

You are seriously using Beck...and his magic chalkboard....as a reference to some kind of sensical point?

Beck is the biggest asshole out there. Well, the second biggest now.

Get off my phone.

 

[Zona]

20 years with bulllfrog preaching Black Liberation Theology,, 1 year of re distribution of wealth, looks pretty doggone marxist to me.

Perhaps that has something to do with your total ignorance of what Marxism is?

Hint: racial supremacy is counter to Marxism

Hint: Marx was not a friend of organized religion

Hint: Marxism does not belong to the reformist branch of communist thought

Stop doing that. Stop providing FACTS!