Republicans Slam ATF For Attempting To Alter Legal Definition Of ‘Firearm’

[asaratis]

Again, Merrick Garland proves without doubt that his being withheld from consideration as a Justice on the SCOTUS bench was a wise move. He does not support our second amendment rights as guaranteed under our 2nd Amendment.

The proposed rule, the “Definition of Frame or Receiver and Identification of Firearms” was introduced in May and signed by Attorney General Merrick Garland. Public comments on the rule closed Thursday.

Republicans Slam ATF For Attempting To Alter Legal Definition Of 'Firearm'

More than two dozen GOP House members released a comment criticizing a proposed rule by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

thefederalist.com

 

[MisterBeale]

Why not?

It worked for redefining the term, "pandemic," and "vaccine," so why not this?

If you can't get the laws you want, change the meaning of the language to get the laws you want.

 

[Crepitus]

Again, Merrick Garland proves without doubt that his being withheld from consideration as a Justice on the SCOTUS bench was a wise move. He does not support our second amendment rights as guaranteed under our 2nd Amendment.

Republicans Slam ATF For Attempting To Alter Legal Definition Of 'Firearm'

More than two dozen GOP House members released a comment criticizing a proposed rule by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

thefederalist.com

It's a move to prevent "ghost" guns.

And it's a good idea.

You kids claim you want to stop criminals from.getting guns but not "law abiding gun owners"? This is a good way to start.

 

[whitehall]

ATF seems to be a federal law enforcement agency with an inferiority complex. It's not the FBI or the CIA but rather a tax collection agency with the mission to insure that taxes are paid on tobacco and alcohol. Somebody tacked on firearms to the mission and they never seemed to get the hang of it. The ATF is responsible for both the Ruby Ridge fiasco and the Waco tragedy but they are good at CYA because nobody was fired or charged. During the Obama administration somebody came up with the brilliant idea they called "Operation Fast/Furious" where they would ship hundreds of illegal weapons to Mexican drug cartels and track their movement. Duh, they immediately lost track and the weapons were used to murder Mexican citizens and at least one U.S. Border patrol Officer. That makes ranking ATF officials guilty of negligent homicide but nobody was charged or even fired as far as we know.

 

[asaratis]

It's a move to prevent "ghost" guns.

And it's a good idea.

You kids claim you want to stop criminals from.getting guns but not "law abiding gun owners"? This is a good way to start.

Laws do not stop criminals from doing their preferred crimes. Only idiots expect that everybody will obey laws. Liberalism is replete with such idiots.

 

[Crepitus]

Laws do not stop criminals from doing their preferred crimes. Only idiots expect that everybody will obey laws. Liberalism is replete with such idiots.

Preventing folks who aren't supposed to have guns from buying them piece by piece to avoid laws against them buying guns Is a good thing, right? It will not prevent folks who can legally buy them so no problems.

 

[asaratis]

Preventing folks who aren't supposed to have guns from buying them piece by piece to avoid laws against them buying guns Is a good thing, right? It will not prevent folks who can legally buy them so no problems.

Again you reiterate your absolutely stupid idea that criminals obey laws.

 

[Crepitus]

Again you reiterate your absolutely stupid idea that criminals obey laws.

Ok, so why have any laws at all? Do laws against bank robbery work? How about against rape? Murder? Theft? Parking in the wrong place?

What makes guns different?

 

[M14 Shooter]

"However, ATF has always deemed the lower receiver of an AR-15 to be a “frame or receiver” since it is compromised of the fire control group: the trigger, disconnector, hammer, and fire selector. The lower receiver is the portion that is currently marked by my manufacturers with a serial number, but the upper portion would be marked as well under the new rule."

Under current federal definitions, the lower is not a receiver.
Nor is the upper.

(3) The term "firearm'' means (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is
designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm

the terms “firearm frame or receiver” and “frame or receiver” were defined in regulations several decades ago as that part of a firearm that provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel

The barrel doe snot attach to the AR lower. Not a receiver.
The hammer and firing mechanism are not part of the upper. Not a receiver.

The Obama's adminstration let a crininal go free rather than see this distinction be ruled upon by a court.

 

[asaratis]

Ok, so why have any laws at all? Do laws against bank robbery work? How about against rape? Murder? Theft? Parking in the wrong place?

They work for law abiding citizens. They provide punishments for criminals that are convicted of breaking them. The provide lucrative jobs for hoards of lawyers, judges, court staffs, detention centers, DUI schools, probation officers and 9 justices.

What makes guns different?

Nothing.

 

[Crepitus]

They work for law abiding citizens. They provide punishments for criminals that are convicted of breaking them. The provide lucrative jobs for hoards of lawyers, judges, court staffs, detention centers, DUI schools, probation officers and 9 justices.



Nothing.

So why is a law that prevents criminals from buying guns any different?

 

[2aguy]

It's a move to prevent "ghost" guns.

And it's a good idea.

You kids claim you want to stop criminals from.getting guns but not "law abiding gun owners"? This is a good way to start.

No...it isn't......criminals will make guns if they want them. Mexican drug cartels have set up gun shops right across the U.S. border.....

You guys are so fixated on normal gun owners, you sit back and allow the democrats to release violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again, the actual criminals doing all of the actual shooting.

 

[asaratis]

So why is a law that prevents criminals from buying guns any different?

As I have said: Laws don't prevent criminals from being criminals. They don't prevent criminals from raping people. They don't prevent criminals from stealing. They don't prevent criminals from committing election fraud. They don't prevent criminals from embezzling. They don't prevent criminals from selling drugs. They don't prevent criminals from molesting children. They don't prevent criminals from committing murder.

Laws set the rules to keep law abiding people from becoming criminals and to punish criminals THAT GET ARRESTED AND CONVICTED. Taking the chance of being caught and convicted is made by the people that are subject to the laws.

 

[Crepitus]

As I have said: Laws don't prevent criminals from being criminals. They don't prevent criminals from raping people. They don't prevent criminals from stealing. They don't prevent criminals from committing election fraud. They don't prevent criminals from embezzling. They don't prevent criminals from selling drugs. They don't prevent criminals from molesting children. They don't prevent criminals from committing murder.

Laws set the rules to keep law abiding people from becoming criminals and to punish criminals THAT GET ARRESTED AND CONVICTED. Taking the chance of being caught and convicted is made by the people that are subject to the laws.

And why doesn't that apply to gun laws?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

It's a move to prevent "ghost" guns.

And it's a good idea.

You kids claim you want to stop criminals from.getting guns but not "law abiding gun owners"? This is a good way to start.

Then, pass a law. Take the chance that it won't get shit-canned by the courtd. Our laws aren't created by the un-elected bureaucrats.

Take the criminals off the street and you won't have to worry about them getting guns.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

And why doesn't that apply to gun laws?

Because gun ownership is a right, rape and murder aren't.

 

[Crepitus]

Because gun ownership is a right, rape and murder aren't.

Certain people have lost that right.

 

[asaratis]

And why doesn't that apply to gun laws?

It does.

Stop trolling, troll.

 

[Crepitus]

It does.

Stop trolling, troll.

Then why are you so against them?

 

[asaratis]

Then, pass a law. Take the chance that it won't get shit-canned by the courtd. Our laws aren't created by the un-elected bureaucrats.

Take the criminals off the street and you won't have to worry about them getting guns.

It is likely impossible to take all criminals off the streets. The liberal gun-grabbers think that strict gun laws and confiscation efforts will keep criminals from having guns. They will not.