Republicans, Refugees and the Hysterical Politics of Fear

[bripat9643]

Riddle me this...........................why aren't the ones coming here set up in refugee camps..............GUARDED refugee camps..................
Contained...................Go back home when Syria is stabilized..........We have no reason to just turn them loose when we don't know who might be the enemy........They stay alive, and we don't have them running around the country.

What if the conflict in Syria lasts as long as Iraq or Afghanistan? How many of your tax dollars are you willing to pay to keep the Big Scawy Refugees behind razor wire? Your side's already in favor of privatized prison systems, so I guess that answers that.

The rest of us would like to see people become productive members of society. Kind of like we do with aliens. People with jobs who pay taxes and whose kids grow up to integrate into our aging-out population so we don't end up withering like Japan.

But you just run out and stock up on ammo and hide in your bunker with your blankie.

Let them become productive members of some other society. We gain nothing by admitting them to this country.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Well republicans certainly rushed to the thread to prove that Coyote was right about the hysteria. This is ebola all over again.

In other words, it's another call to act reasonably prudent.

Unreasonably prudent.

Hardly.

Whenever a lib says "Trust me. What's there to worry about?" That's when you should worry the most.

The ebola insanity and this refugee insanity cannot possibly be considered reasonable. You don't even know what the process is for a refugee to come here. And you probably still think they're all "military age males."

 

[mudwhistle]

Why do we want people who bomb, maim, kill, terrorize, rape, injure in this country?

Because only 1% of the refugees will do this. The other 99% will vote for Democrats.

From the Democrat perspective, a few thousand dead Americans is a small price to pay for electoral victory.

To Democrats......their sense of compassion for those who hate this country is stronger than their sense of self-preservation.
We can't leave our security up to these types. They will sell us out without a second thought.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Why would a terrorist try to sneak in as a refugee, a process that's long and arduous and can take 2 years or more when they could get into the country much easier by simply flying to JFK and entering the US on a tourist visa, or any number of other possible ways? It doesn't make sense.

They're flying these refugees in as we speak. And it makes plenty sense, actually. We've been settling refugees from Syria since the civil war began in 2011. There's been more than enough time for thousands of refugees to complete the process since AQP became ISIS/L. So, thus, the process is easy to exploit, Doc. Not hard to do.

 

[WelfareQueen]

It's funny how The Right castigates The Left for being all about "fweewings" when utterly shameful crap like this is going on. Fear is a "feeling" too and like many feelings not always rational.

Republicans' anti-refugee rhetoric is shameful and despicable — and probably good politics

As I write this, 26 Republican governors (and one Democrat) have said publicly that they oppose bringing Syrian refugees to their states, with most saying they'd refuse to accept them; by the time you read this, the other five Republican governors may have made similar statements. Meanwhile, every major GOP presidential candidate has come out against bringing Syrian refugees here, and Ted Cruz has introduced a bill to bar any Syrian refugees from settling in the United States.

This hurricane of xenophobia and cynical opportunism makes for a truly odious display. But sadly, it's also good politics for Republicans, at least in the short term.​

Yes...politics is certainly playing a big part. Let's analyze the reality.

Before we go any farther, we should acknowledge a simple fact: If you're concerned about stopping ISIS from committing an act of terrorism in the United States, the 10,000 Syrian refugees who will be admitted after a rigorous vetting process is one of the last things you should be worried about. It's possible (though far from necessary) for a member of ISIS to get to Europe by posing as a refugee, since large numbers of Syrians are somewhat chaotically making their way to places like Greece, and once they're on European soil they can move freely between countries. But the process of getting to the United States as a refugee is completely different.​

Rightwing Histrionic#1 -- we don't know who they are!!!! they could be anyone!!! they aren't vetted well!!!!!

The vetting process is far more extensive for a refugee coming in than it is for, say, someone with a tourist visa. It can take upwards of 2 years before they are admitted.

4 Things To Know About The Vetting Process For Syrian Refugees

Refugees are screened by several different agencies
Their first point of a refugee's contact is with the U.N. High Commission for Refugees. The UNHCR refers people to countries based on whether they have any family members there and where resettlement makes the most sense, say U.S. officials. If that's the U.S., then refugees are vetted by the National Counterterrorism Center, the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center, and the Departments of State, Defense and Homeland Security. Fingerprints are taken, biographical information is collected. They are then each individually interviewed by U.S. officials trained to verify that they're bona fide refugees.

Refugees from Syria are then subject to additional screening that looks at where they came from and what caused them to flee their home, stories that are checked out. All of this occurs before a refugee is allowed to set foot in the country.

It's a lengthy process

As you might imagine, all of the vetting, from interviews to fingerprinting, takes a while. On average, officials say it's 18 to 24 months before a refugee is approved for admission to the U.S...​

Histrionic #2: why should we be paying for them when we got xyz homeless people and people in poverty? (this one was a shocker to hear because it's the first time I've heard any concern from the Republicans for the welfare of homeless people and their actions in cutting programs demonizing the poor as parasites indicate quite the opposite).

Physical resettlement
There are nine different nonprofit groups, six of them faith-based, that help refugees settle in the U.S. Volunteers with the groups help refugees find homes, furniture, school supplies and jobs.​

Oops...looks like you don't have to pay for it unless you want to, people volunteer because they feel it's the right thing to do - another faux objection.

Histrionic #3: omg omg a refugee disappeared in Louisiana...no one knows where he is!!!!!!! We've got to stop taking Syrian refugees!!!!!

Reality check: umh...no...he was never missing.

Catholic Charities: One Syrian immigrant briefly settled in Baton Rouge before moving; he never went missing
Baton Rouge received one Syrian refugee over the summer, a man Catholic Charities helped for a few days before he left to meet family in another state.


Catholic Charities said Tuesday the man is the only Syrian refugee they have helped recently, and Louisiana State Police confirmed he had left Baton Rouge for Washington, D.C.


But the news of that one man set off a flood of phone calls Tuesday to the organization, especially from misinformation that made some people believe the man had gone missing, Catholic Charities Executive Director David Aguillard said.


One caller even made several threats while on the phone with Catholic Charities, especially against Syrian refugees. State Police said they are investigating the threats and take them seriously.​

Now IS there a need for concern? Some, but far less than the hysteria demands.

Objections of governors and members of Congress

Some officials, including FBI Director James Comey, worry there are what Comey has called "gaps" in the vetting process. Experts say U.S. intelligence in Syria isn't very good, because the U.S. lacks much of a presence on the ground. So there's no way to compile a thorough watch list of possible terrorists from Syria against which refugees can be checked. Administration officials are briefing governors and members of Congress about the process, but lawmakers may try to pass legislation calling on the administration to suspend its refugee resettlement efforts.​

The groups most responsible for helping refugees - whether they are Burmese, Somali, or Syrian are often our religious institutions and other non-profit charities. Kudos to them, for they are struggling to keep our nation's moral compass pointed in the right direction. When all those Central American children were flooding the border, they had the courage to take them in and help them while the wingnuts picketed their bus and yelled slurs.

Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees
Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees to the United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of anti-refugee fervor set off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging supporters to contact elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian civil war.

Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most passionate advocates for aiding refugees.

A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian refugees "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our constituencies, which are evangelical churches across the country," said Jenny Yang, vice president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical organization that helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying we want to continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris ... doesn’t reflect who refugees are."​

Coyote .....A list of peaceful " Muslim refugees" and their activities in the U.S. over the last 4 years. The list is provided by Senator Jeff Sessions. The desire to protect your family and fellow Americans is entirely reasonable.

Can you tell us what the vetting process will be?


26 terror plots in US tied to immigrants, Sen. Jeff Sessions says: 'Screening is very poor'


Vetting process questioned

Sessions said U.S. officials have no access to Syrian government data to vet refugees and no capacity to predict whether those seeking refuge are likely to join militant groups. As proof of that, the Immigration Subcommittee, which Sessions chairs, provided a partial list of apprehended foreign-born terrorists or terror suspects since 2013:

• A Kazakhstani immigrant with lawful permanent resident status allegedly conspired to purchase a machine gun to shoot FBI and other law enforcement agents if they prevented him from traveling to Syria to join ISIS.
• An immigrant from Saudi Arabia, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, swore allegiance to ISIS and pledged to explode a propane tank bomb on U.S. soil, prosecutors said.
• A Uzbek man in Brooklyn encouraged other Uzbeki nationals to wage jihad on behalf of ISIS, and raised $1,600 for the terror organization.
• The Boston Bombers, who killed three and injured more than 250, were invited in as refugees. The younger brother applied for citizenship and was naturalized on September 11th, 2012. The older brother had a pending application for citizenship.
• A Moroccan national who came to the U.S. on a student visa was arrested for plotting to blow up a university and a federal court house
• 6 Members of Minnesota's Somali-American refugee community have recently been charged with trying to join ISIS. The Washington Times reported that "the effort [to resettle large groups of Somali refugees in Minnesota] is having the unintended consequence of creating an enclave of immigrants with high unemployment that is both stressing the state's safety net and creating a rich pool of potential recruiting targets for Islamist terror groups."
• An Uzbek refugee living in Idaho was arrested and charged with providing support to a terrorist organization, in the form of teaching terror recruits how to build bombs. He was later convicted three terrorism-related charges.
• An American citizen whose family is from Syria was sentenced to up to five years in a juvenile prison for plotting to support ISIS and rob a gun store to kill members of the American military.
• An immigrant from Syria, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was accused by federal prosecutors of planning to "go to a military base in Texas and kill three or four American soldiers execution style."
• A college student and Somali immigrant, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, attempted to blow up a Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Oregon. He is serving a 30 year prison sentence.
• An immigrant from Afghanistan, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, and a legal permanent resident from the Philippines, were convicted for "join Al Qaeda and the Taliban in order to kill Americans."
• An Iraqi immigrant, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was arrested for lying to federal agents about pledging allegiance to ISIS and his travels to Syria. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott referenced the case when announcing his state would fight against accepting Syrian refugees.
• Two immigrants from Pakistan, who later applied for and received U.S citizenship, were sentenced to decades-long prison sentences for plotting to detonate a bomb in New York City.
• An immigrant from Yemen, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was arrested for trying to join ISIS. He was also charged with attempting to illegally buy firearms to try to shoot American military personnel. He is currently awaiting trial. He faces additional charges related to assaulting deputies while in custody.

• An immigrant brought here by his family from Kuwait at a young age, and who was later approved for U.S. citizenship, carried out the Islamist attack that recently killed 5 military personnel in Chattanooga. The gunman was killed by police.

 

[bripat9643]

Why do we want people who bomb, maim, kill, terrorize, rape, injure in this country?

Because only 1% of the refugees will do this. The other 99% will vote for Democrats.

From the Democrat perspective, a few thousand dead Americans is a small price to pay for electoral victory.

To Democrats......their sense of compassion for those who hate this country is stronger than their sense of self-preservation.
We can't leave our security up to these types. They will sell us out without a second thought.

They already have.

 

[bripat9643]

Well republicans certainly rushed to the thread to prove that Coyote was right about the hysteria. This is ebola all over again.

In other words, it's another call to act reasonably prudent.

Unreasonably prudent.

Hardly.

Whenever a lib says "Trust me. What's there to worry about?" That's when you should worry the most.

The ebola insanity and this refugee insanity cannot possibly be considered reasonable. You don't even know what the process is for a refugee to come here. And you probably still think they're all "military age males."

Anyuone who trusts the U.N. or Obama to vet the refugees properly is a fool. Numerous experts have stated in categorical terms that they can't be vetted.

Trusting Obama is true insanity, and trusting a bunch of "refugees" who are males of military age is even more insane.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Well republicans certainly rushed to the thread to prove that Coyote was right about the hysteria. This is ebola all over again.

In other words, it's another call to act reasonably prudent.

Unreasonably prudent.

Hardly.

Whenever a lib says "Trust me. What's there to worry about?" That's when you should worry the most.

The ebola insanity and this refugee insanity cannot possibly be considered reasonable. You don't even know what the process is for a refugee to come here. And you probably still think they're all "military age males."

Anyuone who trusts the U.N. or Obama to vet the refugees properly is a fool. Numerous experts have stated in categorical terms that they can't be vetted.

Trusting Obama is true insanity, and trusting a bunch of "refugees" who are males of military age is even more insane.

Yup called it

 

[bripat9643]

In other words, it's another call to act reasonably prudent.

Unreasonably prudent.

Hardly.

Whenever a lib says "Trust me. What's there to worry about?" That's when you should worry the most.

The ebola insanity and this refugee insanity cannot possibly be considered reasonable. You don't even know what the process is for a refugee to come here. And you probably still think they're all "military age males."

Anyuone who trusts the U.N. or Obama to vet the refugees properly is a fool. Numerous experts have stated in categorical terms that they can't be vetted.

Trusting Obama is true insanity, and trusting a bunch of "refugees" who are males of military age is even more insane.

Yup called it

Nobody knows what process Obama used. They don't want to tell us. That alone is sufficient cause to say no to this idiocy.

 

[BluesLegend]

The liberal media is starting to freak out...

The liberal response to this should be far more measured. We should support tight screening. Mocking it is the worst thing we could do

Ordinary people see the refugees as a common sense thing to be concerned about. We shouldn't respond by essentially calling them idiots. That way lies electoral disaster.

It validates all the worst stereotypes about liberals that we put political correctness ahead of national security

As predicted by me Obama who has been horrible for the Democratic party will go right on destroying them from within through the 2016 elections

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Republicans' anti-refugee rhetoric is shameful and despicable"

Exactly.

"and probably good politics"

Sad but true.

 

[JimH52]

The GOP has found their Boogie Man for 2016. Just like they used the Ebola scare, they will use the Syrian Refugee scare!

I am not sure why they are afraid, since it sounds like most on this board have a carry permit, or are usually packing. The GOP never loses a chance to use a fabricated Boogie Man to make political headway. Face it, that and gerrymandering are about all they have left....It will take two year to vet most of these refugees to the satisfaction of the authorities. So they will beat their doom and gloom drums for at least that long. How proud they must be!

 

[BluesLegend]

The GOP has found their Boogie Man for 2016. Just like they used the Ebola scare, they will use the Syrian Refugee scare!

I am not sure why they are afraid, since it sounds like most on this board have a carry permit, or are usually packing. The GOP never loses a chance to use a fabricated Boogie Man to make political headway. Face it, that and gerrymandering are about all they have left....It will take two year to vet most of these refugees to the satisfaction of the authorities. So they will beat their doom and gloom drums for at least that long. How proud they must be!

^^^ I love it when liberals mock the very voters they need to win elections. Some in the liberal media are already saying this will cost them 2016, it plays right into the stereotype that liberals are weak on national security.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Unreasonably prudent.

Hardly.

Whenever a lib says "Trust me. What's there to worry about?" That's when you should worry the most.

The ebola insanity and this refugee insanity cannot possibly be considered reasonable. You don't even know what the process is for a refugee to come here. And you probably still think they're all "military age males."

Anyuone who trusts the U.N. or Obama to vet the refugees properly is a fool. Numerous experts have stated in categorical terms that they can't be vetted.

Trusting Obama is true insanity, and trusting a bunch of "refugees" who are males of military age is even more insane.

Yup called it

Nobody knows what process Obama used. They don't want to tell us. That alone is sufficient cause to say no to this idiocy.

I wish you would say no to your own idiocy.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The GOP has found their Boogie Man for 2016. Just like they used the Ebola scare, they will use the Syrian Refugee scare!

I am not sure why they are afraid, since it sounds like most on this board have a carry permit, or are usually packing. The GOP never loses a chance to use a fabricated Boogie Man to make political headway. Face it, that and gerrymandering are about all they have left....It will take two year to vet most of these refugees to the satisfaction of the authorities. So they will beat their doom and gloom drums for at least that long. How proud they must be!

Ha!

"There's no need to be scared, these refugees wouldn't harm a fly! You're just being mean and insensitive!"

Let's be more analytical. ISIS, as it is known today, came about in 2013. The Syrian Civil War began in earnest in 2011. It has been a whole four years since then; or enough for two waves of Syrian refugees to apply for and complete the process for becoming a refugee in the US. You're going to sit there and tell all of us that there is no distinct possibility that any of those refugees, or the ones to come, will engage in an act of terrorism on our soil?

How proud you must be, to bathe in such colossal ignorance.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Leave it to clueless, adolescent, marxists to confuse common sense with hysteria...

 

[bripat9643]

Hardly.

Whenever a lib says "Trust me. What's there to worry about?" That's when you should worry the most.

The ebola insanity and this refugee insanity cannot possibly be considered reasonable. You don't even know what the process is for a refugee to come here. And you probably still think they're all "military age males."

Anyuone who trusts the U.N. or Obama to vet the refugees properly is a fool. Numerous experts have stated in categorical terms that they can't be vetted.

Trusting Obama is true insanity, and trusting a bunch of "refugees" who are males of military age is even more insane.

Yup called it

Nobody knows what process Obama used. They don't want to tell us. That alone is sufficient cause to say no to this idiocy.

I wish you would say no to your own idiocy.

Tell us what the vetting process is then, moron.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Hardly.

Whenever a lib says "Trust me. What's there to worry about?" That's when you should worry the most.

The ebola insanity and this refugee insanity cannot possibly be considered reasonable. You don't even know what the process is for a refugee to come here. And you probably still think they're all "military age males."

Anyuone who trusts the U.N. or Obama to vet the refugees properly is a fool. Numerous experts have stated in categorical terms that they can't be vetted.

Trusting Obama is true insanity, and trusting a bunch of "refugees" who are males of military age is even more insane.

Yup called it

Nobody knows what process Obama used. They don't want to tell us. That alone is sufficient cause to say no to this idiocy.

I wish you would say no to your own idiocy.

What is idiotic is allowing these refugees in without a more effective vetting process. But you don't care, being compassionate is more important than preserving the welfare of Americans.

 

[TheOldSchool]

The ebola insanity and this refugee insanity cannot possibly be considered reasonable. You don't even know what the process is for a refugee to come here. And you probably still think they're all "military age males."

Anyuone who trusts the U.N. or Obama to vet the refugees properly is a fool. Numerous experts have stated in categorical terms that they can't be vetted.

Trusting Obama is true insanity, and trusting a bunch of "refugees" who are males of military age is even more insane.

Yup called it

Nobody knows what process Obama used. They don't want to tell us. That alone is sufficient cause to say no to this idiocy.

I wish you would say no to your own idiocy.

Tell us what the vetting process is then, moron.

First this:

UNHCR - Resettlement

Then this:

Mobile Site Preview

and

http://www.rcusa.org/uploads/pdfs/Refugee resettlement - step by step USCRI.pdf

If that's too much for you to read, then continue wetting yourself and hiding under your bed like you did during last year's ebola "crisis."

 

[TheOldSchool]

The ebola insanity and this refugee insanity cannot possibly be considered reasonable. You don't even know what the process is for a refugee to come here. And you probably still think they're all "military age males."

Anyuone who trusts the U.N. or Obama to vet the refugees properly is a fool. Numerous experts have stated in categorical terms that they can't be vetted.

Trusting Obama is true insanity, and trusting a bunch of "refugees" who are males of military age is even more insane.

Yup called it

Nobody knows what process Obama used. They don't want to tell us. That alone is sufficient cause to say no to this idiocy.

I wish you would say no to your own idiocy.

What is idiotic is allowing these refugees in without a more effective vetting process. But you don't care, being compassionate is more important than preserving the welfare of Americans.

Oh another uninformed retard. I remember your hysterics over ebola last year. Go ahead and refer to my last post in the thread, since you've never spent even a second of your life trying to learn the process for a refugee to enter this country.