Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. Their failed arguments are examined here:

[TemplarKormac]

it is not a belief. it is a biological fact that in a pregnant woman when 97% of all abortions take place there is only one mind with consciousness involved during the operation.

Instead of dodging the question and my answer, if you think that is not right, man up and give me a scientific case for individual consciousness in a 10 week old fetus.

Just do it I dare you.

My argument is that during abortions within the first 15 weeks there is only one mind with consciousness in the woman who is terminating her pregnancy. that is a fact and no one for the past five years on this subject has been able to disprove it.

Was this you? Liar?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Jeremiah 1:5.

Psalm 139:13-18.

You'll lose the religious argument too.

You wont read this because you cannot refute it


https://www.dailykos.com

i. A record number of Americans (71 percent) are opposed to overturning the landmark Supreme Court ruling that recognized abortion as a woman's constitutional right.”

ii. That significant majority of Americans are cognizant that women are under assault and because they are not slaves to the heretical Christian “pro-life” crusade, they support all women’s right to control their own bodies. In spite of religious Republicans and evangelical extremists’ efforts, decent Americans are opposed to the current theocratic crusade to regulate and control women by overturning Roe v. Wade.

iii. Obviously, religious Republicans in thrall of the Vatican could not possibly care less what a significant percentage of the population wants – particularly when controlling women and abridging their constitutional freedoms is at stake and under “their” theocratic purview.

iv. Moreover, a recent Supreme Court ruling in lowly Kansas determined that the religious Republican assault on women’s bodily autonomy is abominable and strictly prohibited under the Constitution. That High Court ruled that women enjoy constitutional freedoms, and protection from religious Republican men, “to control their own bodies as a basic human right” – a right the Vatican has convinced Republicans and their evangelical extremist supporters is an attack on their perceived religious freedom to regulate and control women. (author bold)

v. The recent spate of Republican states criminalizing women who choose a legal medical procedure is, of course, driven by evangelical extremists bound to obey the 1968 papal encyclical issued from the Vatican to help male religious leaders worldwide “regulate” women’s lives by controlling their bodies.

vi. Many will argue violently that evangelical fanatics hate Catholics in general, and the Vatican in particular, with honest-to-dog religious passion. However, although that may appear to be true, it does nothing to dispute the fact that the so-called “pro-life” movement is a Catholic construct being executed by religious Republican men.

<Humanae Vitae>

vii. The religious right was not always opposed to a woman’s legal right to control their own bodies; that monstrous religious crusade began a full six years after the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling. Although evangelical fanatics will never admit it, they are attempting to enforce compliance of the Vatican’s 1968 papal encyclical on “regulating women,” and to provide patriarchal Republicans with emotion-driven electoral support founded on biblical heresy. The so-called pro-life movement’s raison d'être is in stark opposition to their god’s immutable utterance in the religious book they claim informs every aspect of their pathetic lives.

viii. According to the Christian’s “Holy Bible,” and the unerring word of the Christian’s almighty god, there is no “living being” until it takes “the breath of life.” That concept is repeated throughout the Christian bible. And, prior to the Heritage Foundation’s embrace of the Vatican encyclical on regulating women, one of the “most famous Christian fundamentalists of the 20th Century” followed the immutable word of his biblical god on when life begins. It was never at the moment of conception. It was and still is after a fetus leaves the womb and breathes of its own accord.

ix. The Southern Baptist Convention’s president at the time of the Roe ruling, Dallas First Baptist Church preacher W. A. Criswell, celebrated the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling by taking the time to write that he was pleased.

x. “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed.” (author bold)

xi. That assessment informs that even evangelical leaders were still reading their “Holy Bible” and attempting to follow the teachings of their “unerring god” prior to becoming agents of the Catholic Church in America.

xii. To be fair, at the time of the Roe decision there were a few, very few, evangelical extremists who only mildly criticized the ruling. For the most part “the overwhelming response was silence, even approval.” In particular, evangelical fundamentalists “applauded the decision as an appropriate articulation of the division between church and state, and between personal morality and state regulation of individual behavior.” (author bold)

xiii. W. Barry Garrett wrote in the Baptist Press that, “Religious liberty, human equality and justice are advanced by the Supreme Court abortion decision.”

xiv. It is particularly noteworthy that nearly all evangelical fundamentalists regarded any and all opposition to Roe v. Wade a perverse Catholic issue; most were wholly indifferent to what choice a woman made concerning her own body.

xv. During a symposium sponsored by the Christian Medical Society and the so-called “flagship magazine” of the entire evangelical movement, Christianity Today “refused to characterize abortion as sinful, citing individual health, family welfare, and social responsibility as adequate justifications for ending a pregnancy.” (author bold)

xv. It took a full six years (1979) for the religious right leadership to abandon its pro-choice position and summarily obey the Vatican, the Heritage Foundation and its so-called “Moral Majority” founder Paul Weyrich. The religious right extremist Weyrich convinced evangelical clergy to “seize on abortion as a Republican cause célèbre and rallying cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term.”

xvi. The Christian opposition to President Carter was due to his threat to strip evangelicals’ tax exempt status if they continued actively supporting school segregation across the South. Sustaining and protecting segregated schools was a racial dog whistle and dependable electoral stratagem to elect Republicans in the former Confederacy.

xvii. As anyone with a pulse understands, embracing the Vatican’s opposition to birth control and abortion had nothing to do with protecting zygotes, embryos, fetuses, religious liberty, Christianity or morality forty years ago any more than today. The religious right and Republican opposition to women’s autonomy was simply “a more palatable electoral issue than the religious right’s primary means of electing Republicans prior to 1979 – promising to protect white Christian students from attending desegregated schools.”

xviii. Many Americans have known for decades that the religious Republicans, and their operatives in the extremist evangelical movement, were pro-choice according to their own “Holy Bible” and the immutable dictates of their unerring “almighty god” prior to becoming mindless lackeys for the Vatican. For dog’s sake, they hued closely to their own Christian bible and the secular U.S. Constitution for six years after the Roe v. Wade decision was handed down because it was an “appropriate articulation of the division between church and state, and between personal morality and state regulation of individual behavior.” (author bold)

xix. All that changed when an evangelical extremist created the Moral Majority to implement the 1968 Vatican directive to the pope’s “Venerable brothers, patriarchs, archbishops, bishops, the clergy and all men on the ‘regulation of birth.’” Since only women are capable of giving “birth,” the papal order was really a theocratic edict to religious men on the “regulation of women.” It is true that Republicans and evangelicals have always been drawn to any means of controlling and regulating women, but they resisted using Vatican heresy for five years prior to, and six years after, the Roe ruling.

xx. American women are in for a world of trouble. That trouble begins and ends with the absurd idea that a zygote is a living being worthy of constitutional protections at the expense of the rights of the woman carrying what the Christian’s unerring god says is not a living being until it breathes of its own accord. It is what Christian leaders believed and claimed was true until they became pawns of the Catholic Church, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, and the Heritage Foundation; and while they still enjoyed taxpayer welfare for supporting school segregation.

xxi. If America was still a representative democracy a minority of religious fanatics would not be capable of threatening women’s right to control their own bodies. It is acutely unforgivable that Americans have allowed the religious right to hold sway over the entire population, and if any woman thinks their right to use birth control is safe they are as stupid as evangelicals clinging to the bizarre notion that a zygote is a living being.

xxii. That absurd idea issued from a Catholic pope in 1968 where he not only asserted that abortion is murder, but that any “unnatural” form of birth control is tantamount to killing a living being – a notion the conservative Supreme Court has ruled is a valid religious belief in its Hobby Lobby ruling and protected under the religious liberty clause in the First Amendment. It was a ruling that evangelical fundamentalists would vehemently rail against when they were pro-choice and applauding Roe v. Wade as “an appropriate articulation of the division between church and state, and between personal morality and state regulation of individual behavior.”

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Was this you? Liar?

Where is a lie when I wrote; My argument is that during abortions within the first 15 weeks there is only one mind with consciousness in the woman who is terminating her pregnancy. that is a fact and no one for the past five years on this subject has been able to disprove it.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The self-righteous, religious, "pro-life" hypocrites are the first ones to defund government programs that help single, impoverished mothers raise their children. The religious Republican conservative champions of fetuses, who supposedly care about zygotes and embryos, undeveloped fetuses in the uteruses of strangers, don't care about the poor, single, pregnant women who carry them. They only care about the survival of zygotes, embryos, or undeveloped fetuses, not actual human babies, that are breathing, conscious, and need to be housed, fed, and changed when they poop in their diapers. They have zero concern for actual babies and focus on violating women's reproductive rights, by forcing them to bear the expense and hazards of nine months of pregnancy and giving birth.

Who's going to support that pregnant, single woman when she loses her job due to her pregnancy? If these holy rollers are forcing women to remain pregnant through the heavy hand of the government, even when pregnancy is identified early, then at least they're morally and also should be legally obligated to support these women throughout their pregnancies and help them raise their children. You defund food stamps, cash assistance, help with housing and healthcare, child daycare, school lunch and afterschool programs, even education which includes job training..etc. You right-wing Republican holy-rollers, are constantly voting against these social programs that help the women you forced to remain pregnant, even when their pregnancies were identified early, before they had even a fetus in their uterus.

Look at the repulsive, double-standard of these religious nutcases, griping about government mandates, forcing them to wear a mask in crowded, public venues, in the middle of a nationwide deadly pandemic, because supposedly the authorities don't have the right to mandate they wear anything on THEIR FACES. Yet these same bible thumpers have no problem using government mandates to force women to remain pregnant, bearing the expense and countless health hazards of pregnancy and giving birth. How more hypocritical could you be?

How pathetic are you, that you feel you have the right to force women through the heavy hand of government, to bear the many risks and costs of nine months of pregnancy and giving birth? Who do you think you are to strip women of their reproductive sovereignty, due to your religious beliefs? If the government can't force you to wear a mask on your face in a crowded, public venue, in the middle of a worldwide, deadly pandemic, then that same government doesn't have the right to mandate women remain pregnant for nine months, even when pregnancy is identified early. The government doesn't have a right to force you to wear something on YOUR FACE, but you can force women to carry zygotes, embryos, and fetuses in THEIR WOMBS.

The actual human beings are the pregnant women, not the embryos or undeveloped fetuses in their wombs. The fact that a fetus is human, doesn't make it a human being. The pro-lifers are reducing human beings to zygotes, embryos, and fetuses.

These pro-life hypocrites (The champions of fetuses in the wombs of strangers) are actually pro-death because as I mentioned earlier, they refuse to provide the necessary resources to these mostly impoverished, pregnant, single women, that they need to properly raise their children. These unwanted pregnancies result in this:

Is this pro-life? No, it's pro-street-crime, pro-drugs, pro-child-abuse, pro-prostitution, pro-homelessness, pro-disease..etc. How is all of this "pro-life"? It's pro-death, not pro-life. Violating a woman's sovereignty by forcing her to remain pregnant for nine months, give birth and raise children they don't want, hardly ever has good outcomes, for anyone, including society in general.

Another notable fact is that these Republican conservatives gleefully watch as the state of Israel bombs Gaza to the ground, leaving it in ruins, killing tens of thousands of actual babies, but since they're Palestinian "A-rabs", these MAGA-Hat retards, don't care. They love seeing "A-rab" babies torn to pieces and burned alive under the rubble by the "chosen people". These Zionist Republican Evangelicals love it because they're full of rancor for the children of Ishmael. According to their evil bible, Ishmael and his offspring are wild-asses, the enemies of "holy Israel". The Israeli Jews who are actually anti-Christ, hating Jesus, pulling his beard and spitting on his bloody face, are supposedly the "chosen ones", who these American Christians worship. They grovel at the feet of these Jesus-hating, genocidal, Israeli psychopaths, insisting that they're "The People Of God", when they're just people, who are no better than anyone else.

You don't care about Palestinian babies huh? You just care about fetuses in the wombs of strangers in America. That's all you actually care about. You're champions of fetuses, not of actual babies and their impoverished mothers who need help. You MAGA-Hat conservatives are disgusting. Pathetic. Actually, you're not MAGA, you're MIGA, MAKE ISRAEL GREAT AGAIN. Sell America down the river for ISRAHELL. You scumbags.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You were making arguments against their humanity with me on Tuesday.

never in s zillion years would I argue that.

you are confused.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Then why were you making determinate arguments that humanity is based on consciousness?

What science tells you that a state government has the right to force full term gestation on a woman.







I have never made that argument.

I have never said what’s inside her is not a human being. A fetus is a human being that has never achieved consciousness until late in a pregnancy That is my argument. That was my point. Now try and refute it.

You were making arguments against their humanity with me on Tuesday.

what are you talking about?

 

[Papageorgio]

Do that with women related to you who invite you to participate in their lives. Outside of that, mind your own religious business.

His isn’t related to you, so mind your own religious business, St Killer.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

His isn’t related to you, so mind your own religious business, St Kille

I zealously mind my own business. I would never in a zillion years request the government becoming involved in his women’s pregnancy business business.

You on the other hand are for the government becoming involved in a pregnant woman’s business.. but you don’t think s fetus or unborn babies have any rights equal to its mother.

You make absolutely no sense in life everywhere else too. You are irrational..

 

[Papageorgio]

Where is a lie when I wrote; My argument is that during abortions within the first 15 weeks there is only one mind with consciousness in the woman who is terminating her pregnancy. that is a fact and no one for the past five years on this subject has been able to disprove it.

You are correct, and science will tell you a life and that is a fact, so when kill a fetus in a womb, you are terminating the life of an innocent human.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You are correct, and science will tell you a life and that is a fact, so when kill a fetus in a womb, you are terminating the life of an innocent human

see. You can learn how to structure a sentence on reproductive rights correctly. I agree with you.. Women have a right to terminate their own pregnancy. It’s a fundamental human right because the women who are having a baby have themselves been born.

 

[Papageorgio]

see. You can learn how to structure a sentence on reproductive rights correctly. I agree with you.. Women have a right to terminate their own pregnancy. It’s a fundamental human right because the women who are having a baby have themselves been born.

Sure you can kill humans, but nowhere is it a right to take an innocent human life, it is violating their human rights.

 

[SeaMajor7]

see. You can learn how to structure a sentence on reproductive rights correctly. I agree with you.. Women have a right to terminate their own pregnancy. It’s a fundamental human right because the women who are having a baby have themselves been born.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

violating their human rights.

A human fetus at the stage of development, having never obtained human consciousness has no rights other than what the birthmother concedes to it.

 

[SeaMajor7]

A human fetus at the stage of development, having never obtained human consciousness has no rights other than what the birthmother concedes to it.

God complex much?

 

[Papageorgio]

A human fetus at the stage of development, having never obtained human consciousness has no rights other than what the birthmother concedes to it.

Who in your mind are the privileged ones that gets to determine which humans have human rights?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Who in your mind are the privileged ones that gets to determine which humans have human rights?

The community decides what are the rights of its members. That's like duh. The same applies to Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, non-religious organizations..etc, all human communities decide what is acceptable behavior for its members and what isn't. This holds true for everyone, regardless of whether you're in a religious community or a secular one, it's human beings who decide what is proper and what isn't. My morality is one based on survival and human progress and success. Whatever contributes to the flourishing of human life is good, whatever undermines it is bad. See how simple that was?

Reducing human beings to a zygote, embryo or half-brained fetus, is stupid, especially when you're forcing women (actual human beings), by government mandate to remain pregnant for nine months, bearing all of the cost and risks that come with it. You have the gall to do that, while being indifferent to the needs of single, poor mothers by defunding government social programs that help them, with food, housing, healthcare, child daycare..etc. You have no right to force women to carry a zygote or an embryo to term, and that includes an undeveloped fetus early in pregnancy.

If the government doesn't have a right to mandate you wear a mask in crowded, public venues, in the middle of a deadly, nationwide pandemic, then the government doesn't have the right to force women to carry anything in their bodies for nine months.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

nfbw 241018 Vrftma01217

God complex much?

the privileged ones

TruthNotBS said: The community decides what are the rights of its members. That's like duh.

i. Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. 241018 {post•1213}. NotfooledbyW Oct’24 Vrftma: A human fetus at the stage of development, having never obtained human consciousness has no rights other than what the birthmother concedes to it. nfbw 241018 Vrftma01213

ii. Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. 241018 {post•1215 to 1213}. Papageorgio Oct’24 Srftma: Who in your mind are the privileged ones that gets to determine which humans have human rights? ppgrg 241018 Srftma01215

iii. Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. 241018 {post•1217 to 1215}.

NotfooledbyW Oct’24 Vrftma: My answer goes much deeper, but on the surface, I can identify who are the privileged ones who get to determine which humans have human rights with respect to gestational rights of a fetus versus a woman’s autonomy to retain liberty and self-rule over her body,

One of the best examples of the privileged ones in the above regard are the voters of Ohio. They were forced to vote by white Christian nationalist Republicans and they spoke. The verdict is in.. fetal rights do not override the rights of women during gestation when a woman is pregnant.

nfbw 241018 Vrftma01217

 

[SeaMajor7]

i. Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. 241018 {post•1213}. NotfooledbyW Oct’24 Vrftma: A human fetus at the stage of development, having never obtained human consciousness has no rights other than what the birthmother concedes to it. nfbw 241018 Vrftma01213

ii. Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. 241018 {post•1215 to 1213}. Papageorgio Oct’24 Srftma: Who in your mind are the privileged ones that gets to determine which humans have human rights? ppgrg 241018 Srftma01215

iii. Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. 241018 {post•1217 to 1215}.

My answer goes much deeper, but on the surface, I can identify who are the privileged ones who get to determine which humans have human rights with respect to gestational rights of a fetus versus a woman’s autonomy to retain liberty and self-rule over her body,

One of the best examples of the privileged ones in the above regard are the voters of Ohio. They were forced to vote by white Christian nationalist Republicans and they spoke. The verdict is in.. fetal rights do not override the rights of women during gestation when a woman is pregnant.

 

[TemplarKormac]

i. A record number of Americans (71 percent) are opposed to overturning the landmark Supreme Court ruling that recognized abortion as a woman's constitutional right.”

I am not a proponent of banning abortion. Abortion has medical applications, when utilized in a manner that isn't a mere convenience to the woman. Abortions should be done out of necessity, not out of convenience. Rape, incest, health of mother, or miscarriages. All other reasons are excuses and should be treated as such.

ii. That significant majority of Americans are cognizant that women are under assault and because they are not slaves to the heretical Christian “pro-life” crusade, they support all women’s right to control their own bodies. In spite of religious Republicans and evangelical extremists’ efforts, decent Americans are opposed to the current theocratic crusade to regulate and control women by overturning Roe v. Wade.

Eh, women are not "under assault." This is a liberal lie circulated to make women continually feel like victims in a society that grants them untold freedoms as compared to a hundred years ago.

iii. Obviously, religious Republicans in thrall of the Vatican could not possibly care less what a significant percentage of the population wants – particularly when controlling women and abridging their constitutional freedoms is at stake and under “their” theocratic purview.

Oh boy. I'm not even Catholic. My grandmother sees Catholicism as a cult for their over veneration of the Virgin Mary. But do go on with your conspiracy theories.

I read the rest of your post, and you grant the Vatican power it DOES NOT HAVE, you tin-foil hat-wearing buffoon.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The community decides what are the rights of its members.

No. It doesn't. Individuals vote on their rights. There isn't a set "community" deciding individual rights.

Where are you getting this from?