Toro
Diamond Member
Right.
According to Trump's supporters, the path to victory doesn't include winning women, minorities, and many Republicans.
Sounds like a winning formula!
Republican Anti-Trumper's are not Conservatives
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Right.
According to Trump's supporters, the path to victory doesn't include winning women, minorities, and many Republicans.
Sounds like a winning formula!
gipper
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What we should do is pull every American out of the ME and mind our own f**king business.
I know I am dreaming in the age of warmongering and empire building, and all to enrich the already amazingly rich and grow the power of the State.
Toro
Diamond Member
Trump does not represent Ronald Reagan conservatism.
And more
The Conservative Case Against Trump
THERE are many lessons that conservatives need to learn from the rise of Donald Trump. There are elements of his message that the party should embrace. There are grievances among his voters that the Republican Party must address.
But for conservatives to support Trump himself, to assist in his election as president of the United States, would be a terrible mistake.
It would be a particularly stark mistake for conservatives who feel that the basic Reaganite vision that’s dominated their party for decades — a fusion of social conservatism, free-market economics, and a hawkish internationalism — still gets things mostly right.
In large ways and small, Trump has consistently arrayed himself against this vision. True, he paid lip service to certain Reaganite ideas during the primaries — claiming to be pro-life, promising a supply-side tax cut, pledging to appoint conservative judges. But the core of his message was protectionist and nativist, comfortable with an expansive welfare state, bored with religious conservatism, and dismissive of the commitments that constitute the post-Cold War Pax Americana. And Trump’s policy forays since clinching the nomination have only confirmed his post-Reagan orientation. ...
But for conservatives to support Trump himself, to assist in his election as president of the United States, would be a terrible mistake.
It would be a particularly stark mistake for conservatives who feel that the basic Reaganite vision that’s dominated their party for decades — a fusion of social conservatism, free-market economics, and a hawkish internationalism — still gets things mostly right.
In large ways and small, Trump has consistently arrayed himself against this vision. True, he paid lip service to certain Reaganite ideas during the primaries — claiming to be pro-life, promising a supply-side tax cut, pledging to appoint conservative judges. But the core of his message was protectionist and nativist, comfortable with an expansive welfare state, bored with religious conservatism, and dismissive of the commitments that constitute the post-Cold War Pax Americana. And Trump’s policy forays since clinching the nomination have only confirmed his post-Reagan orientation. ...
And more
His unfitness starts with basic issues of temperament. It encompasses the race-baiting, the conspiracy theorizing, the flirtations with violence, and the pathological lying that have been his campaign-trail stock in trade.
But above all it is Trump’s authoritarianism that makes him unfit for the presidency — his stated admiration for Putin and the Chinese Politburo, his promise to use the power of the presidency against private enterprises, the casual threats he and his surrogates toss off against party donors, military officers, the press, the speaker of the House, and more.
But above all it is Trump’s authoritarianism that makes him unfit for the presidency — his stated admiration for Putin and the Chinese Politburo, his promise to use the power of the presidency against private enterprises, the casual threats he and his surrogates toss off against party donors, military officers, the press, the speaker of the House, and more.
The Conservative Case Against Trump
Zander
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That's not what I said. Read it again. I said the same thing Trump has been saying - build the wall Then inform people that if you are here illegally be prepared to be deported it ain't rocket science. I don't need fancy euphemisms Illegal is illegal. Of course you probably think it's an " act of love". Right, neocon?
You have it all backwards.........Those who support Trump are conservatives for sure........They just never knew or cared Trump was a NY pro-choice liberal............all they knew was Trump is going to build a wall to keep the Mexicans out and stop them Muslims getting into the country...... deport l them Hispanics living off government hand outs.......and that he called Obama nasty names...........what else does a thinking conservative NEED TO KNOW
Zander
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According to neocons like you the wining formula is to invade foreign lands and become a "war president". Then create new entitlements to prove you are compassionate. And don't forget to cut taxes at the same time.
Fortunately those ideas were rejected by GOP primary voters.
Trump v Clinton.
Show your true neocon colors. Vote for the pantsuit!
Toro
Diamond Member
Birfer Trump doubles down on teh crazy.
It was almost as if Donald Trump wanted to give Republican voters one last look at what they would be getting if they chose to nominate him as the head of their party—as if he wanted to show officeholders who would endorse him exactly what they'd have to explain and rationalize over the next six months, wanted to remind conservatives that he doesn't share their worldview and is willing to advance the policies of the radical left if it'll help him win, and wanted to make clear to his boosters in the media that they really would have to defend statements so absurd that the only proper response is laughter.
It'd be one more week of crazy before Trump completed his conquest of the conservative party.
The week began with the news that a New York judge had allowed a lawsuit alleging fraud against Trump University to proceed to trial. The same day, a California judge cleared the way for a similar lawsuit to go ahead there, setting the first hearing on July 18—the first day of the Republican convention. It continued with Trump announcing, after his five-state northeast sweep, that he intended to campaign for president on a "message" borrowed, in part, from Bernie Sanders, the nation's leading socialist. As the campaign moved to Indiana, Trump touted the endorsement of "tough guy" boxer Mike Tyson, who was convicted in 1992 of a rape in Indianapolis and whom Trump had defended at the time. Next Trump declared a core economic principle of his adopted party was no longer operative: "You can throw free trade out the window."
And then, on the day he was expected to clinch the Republican nomination, Trump gave voice to the kind of conspiracy theory you might expect to hear from a disheveled drunk mumbling through the train station.
In a telephone interview on Fox & Friends, Trump cited a baseless story in the National Enquirer to suggest that Rafael Cruz, the father of his chief rival, had worked with Lee Harvey Oswald in the months before Oswald assassinated President John F. Kennedy. There is zero evidence to support the accusation. Pressed repeatedly to substantiate his calumny, Trump could not, but nonetheless defended his behavior, yielding headlines like this one from ABC News: "Trump Defends Linking Cruz's Father to JFK Assassin."
Ted Cruz immediately held an impromptu press conference to reject Trump's claims and denounce his slander. The cable networks covered it live, and his comments generated a flood of news stories. Rafael Cruz also denied the tabloid report. And yet Trump, with the casual dishonesty that has come to characterize his campaign, as it does his life, said hours later: "I don't think anybody denied it."
It was a week of quintessential Trump: reminders of past cons, recycled leftism, stunning misogyny, populist pandering, conspiracy mongering, and, like a cherry on top of this sundae of insanity, an easily disprovable lie.
This wasn't a bad week for Trump. It was a typical week for Trump.
Our National (Tr)umpster Fire
It was almost as if Donald Trump wanted to give Republican voters one last look at what they would be getting if they chose to nominate him as the head of their party—as if he wanted to show officeholders who would endorse him exactly what they'd have to explain and rationalize over the next six months, wanted to remind conservatives that he doesn't share their worldview and is willing to advance the policies of the radical left if it'll help him win, and wanted to make clear to his boosters in the media that they really would have to defend statements so absurd that the only proper response is laughter.
It'd be one more week of crazy before Trump completed his conquest of the conservative party.
The week began with the news that a New York judge had allowed a lawsuit alleging fraud against Trump University to proceed to trial. The same day, a California judge cleared the way for a similar lawsuit to go ahead there, setting the first hearing on July 18—the first day of the Republican convention. It continued with Trump announcing, after his five-state northeast sweep, that he intended to campaign for president on a "message" borrowed, in part, from Bernie Sanders, the nation's leading socialist. As the campaign moved to Indiana, Trump touted the endorsement of "tough guy" boxer Mike Tyson, who was convicted in 1992 of a rape in Indianapolis and whom Trump had defended at the time. Next Trump declared a core economic principle of his adopted party was no longer operative: "You can throw free trade out the window."
And then, on the day he was expected to clinch the Republican nomination, Trump gave voice to the kind of conspiracy theory you might expect to hear from a disheveled drunk mumbling through the train station.
In a telephone interview on Fox & Friends, Trump cited a baseless story in the National Enquirer to suggest that Rafael Cruz, the father of his chief rival, had worked with Lee Harvey Oswald in the months before Oswald assassinated President John F. Kennedy. There is zero evidence to support the accusation. Pressed repeatedly to substantiate his calumny, Trump could not, but nonetheless defended his behavior, yielding headlines like this one from ABC News: "Trump Defends Linking Cruz's Father to JFK Assassin."
Ted Cruz immediately held an impromptu press conference to reject Trump's claims and denounce his slander. The cable networks covered it live, and his comments generated a flood of news stories. Rafael Cruz also denied the tabloid report. And yet Trump, with the casual dishonesty that has come to characterize his campaign, as it does his life, said hours later: "I don't think anybody denied it."
It was a week of quintessential Trump: reminders of past cons, recycled leftism, stunning misogyny, populist pandering, conspiracy mongering, and, like a cherry on top of this sundae of insanity, an easily disprovable lie.
This wasn't a bad week for Trump. It was a typical week for Trump.
Our National (Tr)umpster Fire
Zander
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He's open to it. So what? It's not a deal breaker. It's what every politician does after they've secured the nomination - move to the center. If this was a neocon like Jeb or little Marco, you'd be touting its sheer BRILLIANCE!
But you have severe Trump derangement syndrome.
Toro
Diamond Member
Speaking on “Fox & Friends,” of course, Trump revealed something he learned from the National Enquirer, of course. Although the Kennedy assassination is one of history’s most minutely studied events, all previous scrutiny missed something the supermarket tabloid discovered for people like Trump -- a connection between Ted Cruz’s father and the murder of the 35th president. Trump said:
“You know, Cruz’s father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald’s being, you know, shot. I mean the whole thing is ridiculous. What is this, right prior to his being shot, and nobody even brings it up. I mean they don’t even talk about that. That was reported, and nobody talks about it. But I think it’s horrible. I think it’s absolutely horrible that a man can go and do that, what he’s saying there.”
Fox host: “Right. There was a picture out there that reportedly shows Rafael Cruz standing with Lee Harvey Oswald … “
Trump: “I mean what was he doing with Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before the death, before the shooting? It’s horrible.”
Fox host: “Crazy.”
“You know, Cruz’s father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald’s being, you know, shot. I mean the whole thing is ridiculous. What is this, right prior to his being shot, and nobody even brings it up. I mean they don’t even talk about that. That was reported, and nobody talks about it. But I think it’s horrible. I think it’s absolutely horrible that a man can go and do that, what he’s saying there.”
Fox host: “Right. There was a picture out there that reportedly shows Rafael Cruz standing with Lee Harvey Oswald … “
Trump: “I mean what was he doing with Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before the death, before the shooting? It’s horrible.”
Fox host: “Crazy.”
Who will follow Trump off the cliff?
lol
That's your future "President." A guy trafficking in whackjob conspiracy theories.
Toro
Diamond Member
It's funny that you're a libertarian who is supporting the most authortarian statist to run as the Republican nominee.
Zander
Platinum Member
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theBirfer Trump doubles down on teh crazy.
It was almost as if Donald Trump wanted to give Republican voters one last look at what they would be getting if they chose to nominate him as the head of their party—as if he wanted to show officeholders who would endorse him exactly what they'd have to explain and rationalize over the next six months, wanted to remind conservatives that he doesn't share their worldview and is willing to advance the policies of the radical left if it'll help him win, and wanted to make clear to his boosters in the media that they really would have to defend statements so absurd that the only proper response is laughter.
It'd be one more week of crazy before Trump completed his conquest of the conservative party.
The week began with the news that a New York judge had allowed a lawsuit alleging fraud against Trump University to proceed to trial. The same day, a California judge cleared the way for a similar lawsuit to go ahead there, setting the first hearing on July 18—the first day of the Republican convention. It continued with Trump announcing, after his five-state northeast sweep, that he intended to campaign for president on a "message" borrowed, in part, from Bernie Sanders, the nation's leading socialist. As the campaign moved to Indiana, Trump touted the endorsement of "tough guy" boxer Mike Tyson, who was convicted in 1992 of a rape in Indianapolis and whom Trump had defended at the time. Next Trump declared a core economic principle of his adopted party was no longer operative: "You can throw free trade out the window."
And then, on the day he was expected to clinch the Republican nomination, Trump gave voice to the kind of conspiracy theory you might expect to hear from a disheveled drunk mumbling through the train station.
In a telephone interview on Fox & Friends, Trump cited a baseless story in the National Enquirer to suggest that Rafael Cruz, the father of his chief rival, had worked with Lee Harvey Oswald in the months before Oswald assassinated President John F. Kennedy. There is zero evidence to support the accusation. Pressed repeatedly to substantiate his calumny, Trump could not, but nonetheless defended his behavior, yielding headlines like this one from ABC News: "Trump Defends Linking Cruz's Father to JFK Assassin."
Ted Cruz immediately held an impromptu press conference to reject Trump's claims and denounce his slander. The cable networks covered it live, and his comments generated a flood of news stories. Rafael Cruz also denied the tabloid report. And yet Trump, with the casual dishonesty that has come to characterize his campaign, as it does his life, said hours later: "I don't think anybody denied it."
It was a week of quintessential Trump: reminders of past cons, recycled leftism, stunning misogyny, populist pandering, conspiracy mongering, and, like a cherry on top of this sundae of insanity, an easily disprovable lie.
This wasn't a bad week for Trump. It was a typical week for Trump.
Our National (Tr)umpster Fire
neocons at the weekly standard hate Trump. We get it. GOP voters rejected those ideas. Tissue ?
EriktheRed
Eh...
Searcher44
Gold Member
From the linked article; "For years, Ryan has embraced proposals that would privatize parts of Social Security, slash Medicaid and convert Medicare to a voucher-based program, in which private insurance would be purchased with federal subsidies."
Privatize is not-so-inscrutable code for placing even more wealth in the hands of Wall St. so they can leverage bets in a very corrupt game of Monopoly. And remember, even now they're not really "gambling" because the safest bet is that they can count on the American taxpayer bailing them out of trouble. I keep telling people "Get this through your thick ******* skull, profits are privatized, risk and losses are socialized." Keep repeating that mantra when they sing that siren song about privatizing social security or any other public obligation. Jesus, do you know what the cost of "privatizing" prisons is going to be in a few years? Incentivizing putting people in jail and maintaining them there as cheaply as possible? Making a profit off of human misery? ****, you want to see super-predators? Wait a few more generations while these private gaols **** over a few more million of the criminalized poor. Do you know that some of these private prisons don't allow live visitors, if one of your children is in jail you have to talk to them over a skype type devise, usually without the video, and sometimes they charge so much some people have to go in debt to use the privately controlled communication. Maybe they have to get a payday loan and pay over 500% interest in some States!
For some of these institutions you can't make these calls from home either, you have to make a trip of hundreds of miles and no, you don't "see" your loved one, you have to sit in a different room to make a call over a shitty line! God help us. What am I saying, ****, if there was a God He wouldn't allow these masters of usury, economic predation and misery to stalk amongst us.
The Iraqis did not ask us to invade and overthrow their government.
What you are advocating is theft. You are no different than the leaders of communist regimes that claims they seize property for the benefit of the people.
Except you are using the killing force of our military to seize property for yourself. Which is exactly what these communist did.
Tell us, how are the Iraqis to survive if they no longer own their most valuable commodity? Sell goat skins and camel milk?
Even neoconservatives are not that sick!!
Dr Grump
Platinum Member
Trump will be a nightmare. Hillary will be infinitely better.
Zoom-boing
Platinum Member
theBirfer Trump doubles down on teh crazy.
It was almost as if Donald Trump wanted to give Republican voters one last look at what they would be getting if they chose to nominate him as the head of their party—as if he wanted to show officeholders who would endorse him exactly what they'd have to explain and rationalize over the next six months, wanted to remind conservatives that he doesn't share their worldview and is willing to advance the policies of the radical left if it'll help him win, and wanted to make clear to his boosters in the media that they really would have to defend statements so absurd that the only proper response is laughter.
It'd be one more week of crazy before Trump completed his conquest of the conservative party.
The week began with the news that a New York judge had allowed a lawsuit alleging fraud against Trump University to proceed to trial. The same day, a California judge cleared the way for a similar lawsuit to go ahead there, setting the first hearing on July 18—the first day of the Republican convention. It continued with Trump announcing, after his five-state northeast sweep, that he intended to campaign for president on a "message" borrowed, in part, from Bernie Sanders, the nation's leading socialist. As the campaign moved to Indiana, Trump touted the endorsement of "tough guy" boxer Mike Tyson, who was convicted in 1992 of a rape in Indianapolis and whom Trump had defended at the time. Next Trump declared a core economic principle of his adopted party was no longer operative: "You can throw free trade out the window."
And then, on the day he was expected to clinch the Republican nomination, Trump gave voice to the kind of conspiracy theory you might expect to hear from a disheveled drunk mumbling through the train station.
In a telephone interview on Fox & Friends, Trump cited a baseless story in the National Enquirer to suggest that Rafael Cruz, the father of his chief rival, had worked with Lee Harvey Oswald in the months before Oswald assassinated President John F. Kennedy. There is zero evidence to support the accusation. Pressed repeatedly to substantiate his calumny, Trump could not, but nonetheless defended his behavior, yielding headlines like this one from ABC News: "Trump Defends Linking Cruz's Father to JFK Assassin."
Ted Cruz immediately held an impromptu press conference to reject Trump's claims and denounce his slander. The cable networks covered it live, and his comments generated a flood of news stories. Rafael Cruz also denied the tabloid report. And yet Trump, with the casual dishonesty that has come to characterize his campaign, as it does his life, said hours later: "I don't think anybody denied it."
It was a week of quintessential Trump: reminders of past cons, recycled leftism, stunning misogyny, populist pandering, conspiracy mongering, and, like a cherry on top of this sundae of insanity, an easily disprovable lie.
This wasn't a bad week for Trump. It was a typical week for Trump.
Our National (Tr)umpster Fire
neocons at the weekly standard hate Trump. We get it. GOP voters rejected those ideas. Tissue ?
Zander! You're much better than this. Trump said this shit, why don't you address it instead of hiding behind the old 'bash the source' type of response. Come on.
Zoom-boing
Platinum Member
No, they will both be a nightmare.
It's great to see you finally come out of the neocon closet and admit you support hiLIARy! It was never a big secret anyway.....
Not supporting Trump does not mean one supports Clinton. Cripes, what the hell Z?
Dr Grump
Platinum Member
Hillary will be okay at best. But much better than Trump. They shouldn;t even be said in the same sentence when it comes to suitability at being pres.
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