REPORT: Portland Killer Voted for Bernie, Reported by Trump Supporters to Police, Who Did Nothing

[Tehon]

Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, as well as a policy regime involving a commitment to representative democracy, measures for income redistribution, and regulation of the economy in the general interest and welfare state provisions.[1][2][3]Social democracy thus aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater democratic, egalitarian and solidaristic outcomes; and is often associated with the set of socioeconomic policies that became prominent in Northern and Western Europe—particularly the Nordic model in the Nordic countries—during the latter half of the 20th century.[4][5]
Social democracy - Wikipedia

 

[JQPublic1]

Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, as well as a policy regime involving a commitment to representative democracy, measures for income redistribution, and regulation of the economy in the general interest and welfare state provisions.[1][2][3]Social democracy thus aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater democratic, egalitarian and solidaristic outcomes; and is often associated with the set of socioeconomic policies that became prominent in Northern and Western Europe—particularly the Nordic model in the Nordic countries—during the latter half of the 20th century.[4][5]
Social democracy - Wikipedia

Thanks for agreeing with me.

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Neither the EU nor Canada are socialist, they are capitalist, there is no worker control of the means of production in either, they have private ownership of the means of production, they are social democracies not socialist countries

You are confused. The only time I've ever seen workers directly control the means of production is at a Co-op.And that was right here in the USA. Your error is common. What you see as"worker control" over the M.O.P. is
really state control. But that's Communism, not socialism.

God you're ******* dumb, the definition of socialism is collective control of the means of production, Europe and Canada have private control of the means of production.

Socialism - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Definition of SOCIALISM

Try learning the difference between socialism and social democracy.

Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, as well as a policy regime involving a commitment to representative democracy, measures for income redistribution, and regulation of the economy in the general interest and welfare state provisions.[1][2][3]

Social democracy - Wikipedia

If that definition is valid, Communism doesn't exist. But our history is replete with references to Communism. McCarthyism was cultured on anti- Communism. News anchors, for decades have broadcast the evils of Communism and made us fear it.
Simultaneously, Europe was identified as a collective bastion of socialism where the" means of production was bifurcated. By that I mean that private enterprise had its sector
of the MOP and the government owned the utilities and other things that could not be trusted to private ownership. I am not alone in calling that phenomenon Euro-socialism.
Perhaps that's an old school view that has since morphed into social democracy.

 

[Tehon]

Thanks for agreeing with me.

Social Democracy is not socialism as derived from Marxist theory. Social democracy seeks to work within the capitalist mode of production. Capitalism and socialism are incompatible. Social democracy is not socialism.

 

[JQPublic1]

Thanks for agreeing with me.

Social Democracy is not socialism as derived from Marxist theory. Social democracy seeks to work within the capitalist mode of production. Capitalism and socialism are incompatible. Social democracy is not socialism.

I think my link is as good as yours. When the state owns public utilities that looks like socialism to me. That means , as far as utilities are concerned, the state owns that particular means of production...That's socialism...there is nothing democratic about it. However, as i posited earlier, if private enterprise owns all other MOP, that
partnership of socialism and Capitalism defines Euro- socialism. BTW...I am waiting to see you define communism....why are you ignoring that key question?

 

[Bush92]

Wow, an anti-Muslim murderous Libertarian Bernie supporter. That's a first!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/update-portland-killer-voted-bernie-reported-trump-supporters-police-nothing-video/

MSM wants you to think he is a conservative. Nice try.

 

[Tehon]

Thanks for agreeing with me.

Social Democracy is not socialism as derived from Marxist theory. Social democracy seeks to work within the capitalist mode of production. Capitalism and socialism are incompatible. Social democracy is not socialism.

I think my link is as good as yours. When the state owns public utilities that looks like socialism to me. That means , as far as utilities are concerned, the state owns that particular means of production...That's socialism...there is nothing democratic about it. However, as i posited earlier, if private enterprise owns all other MOP, that
partnership of socialism and Capitalism defines Euro- socialism. BTW...I am waiting to see you define communism....why are you ignoring that key question?

But, the transformation — either into joint-stock companies and trusts, or into State-ownership — does not do away with the capitalistic nature of the productive forces. In the joint-stock companies and trusts, this is obvious. And the modern State, again, is only the organization that bourgeois society takes on in order to support the external conditions of the capitalist mode of production against the encroachments as well of the workers as of individual capitalists. The modern state, no matter what its form, is essentially a capitalist machine — the state of the capitalists, the ideal personification of the total national capital. The more it proceeds to the taking over of productive forces, the more does it actually become the national capitalist, the more citizens does it exploit. The workers remain wage-workers — proletarians. The capitalist relation is not done away with. It is, rather, brought to a head. But, brought to a head, it topples over. State-ownership of the productive forces is not the solution of the conflict, but concealed within it are the technical conditions that form the elements of that solution.
Socialism: Utopian and Scientific (Chpt. 3)

I am waiting to see you define communism

It is scientific socialism. The term communism was used to set scientific socialism apart from reactionary, bourgeois and democratic socialism. It is the doctrine that culminates in Socialism.

 

[Dragonlady]

Three liars in a row, the dumb **** Nazi OP and then a couple of more brain dead 'Conservatives'.The murdering bastard was a White Nationalist. One of the people your kind admire.

Nope he was a Bernie supporter yoi fake news peddling ******.

There is one thing for certain, the dead folks and their relatives don't give **** who the killer voted for President. You people are so petty and insignificant..

We the living do care since the left are trying to pin this on Trump, I really don't care what the dead think as the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim anyways.

Those who were killed were white Christian men, genuine Christians, not the right wing "prosperity Christians", but Christians who believe in Christ's teaching to love one another.

 

[JQPublic1]

But, the transformation — either into joint-stock companies and trusts, or into State-ownership — does not do away with the capitalistic nature of the productive forces.

That isn't the issue. I thought we were debating to identify the sociopolitical arena of Europe.
Your argument turns on the proposal that socialism is defined by state ownership of the means of production. But you then posit that the European model, where state owned utilities are the norm alongside free enterprise makes for social democracy. I don't necessarily disagree. As you can see in my link...social democracy is but one of the myriad subsets of Euro-socialism. But Socialism entails more
than.state ownership of the means of production. Governmental controll over the health and welfare of citizens is a staple of Euro-socialism too. The American pejorative for that paradigm is the welfare state...even though European pay high taxes to support it.

The modern state, no matter what its form, is essentially a capitalist machine — the state of the capitalists

Some states produce very little. The capitalism taking place there is usually exploitive. Goods and services are largely produced elsewhere and sold to local distributors.. Locals earn money by toiling in mines or extracting their own resources in deference to the foreign
entities occupying their land. For that exploitative arrangement to work in perpetuity, any ideas of Socialism must be squashed by any means necessary. How's that capitalism working for the Blacks of Africa?

The term communism was used to set scientific socialism apart from reactionary, bourgeois and democratic socialism.

So you are saying Communism has never existed? You seem to back the notion that communism is the perfect utopian paradise where all physical and economic needs of a people are controlled by the state. That situation has never occurred. The modern human experience is dependent upon the infusion of Socialism and Capitalism in varying degrees. Like Yin and Yang one cannot exist for long without the other.

 

[Pogo]

Wow, an anti-Muslim murderous Libertarian Bernie supporter. That's a first!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/update-portland-killer-voted-bernie-reported-trump-supporters-police-nothing-video/

MSM wants you to think he is a conservative. Nice try.

And Steve McRacist with his butt buddy Jim ******* Hoft want you to think a scumbag who railed about killing Jews and pranced around giving Nazi salutes, was a "supporter" of a Jew whose family were killed by Nazis.

Deep thought has never infiltrated that crowd.

 

[Bush92]

Wow, an anti-Muslim murderous Libertarian Bernie supporter. That's a first!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/update-portland-killer-voted-bernie-reported-trump-supporters-police-nothing-video/

MSM wants you to think he is a conservative. Nice try.

And Steve McRacist with his butt buddy Jim ******* Hoft want you to think a scumbag who railed about killing Jews and pranced around giving Nazi salutes, was a "supporter" of a Jew whose family were killed by Nazis.

Deep thought has never infiltrated that crowd.

Link.

 

[iceberg]

Wow, an anti-Muslim murderous Libertarian Bernie supporter. That's a first!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/update-portland-killer-voted-bernie-reported-trump-supporters-police-nothing-video/

BULLSHIT.

>> Christian is a known right wing extremist and white supremacist. On April 29, Christian showed up to the right-wing "March for Free Speech" on 82nd Avenue in Montavilla with a baseball bat in an attempt to assault left-wing protesters. The bat was quickly confiscated by Portland police officers. He ranted how he was a nihilist. He'd soon yelled racial slurs ("**** all you n*****s") and gave the Nazi salute throughout the day. He yelled "Hail Vinland" throughout the day.

His Facebook page is replete with anti-Semitic comments and other evidence of his views. Here are some examples.... <<​

(see the link for more including several videos and the Nosebook posts, the top one of which reads, and I quote:

If Donald Trump is the next Hitler then I am joining his SS to put an end to Monotheist Question. All Zionist Jews, All Christians who do not follow Christ's teachings of Love, Charity, and Forgiveness And All Jihadi Muslims are going to Madagascar or the Ovens/FEMA Camps!!! Does this make me a fascist!!!​

This was all posted earlier today McRacist you pathetic fuckbag waste of human protoplasm. Shove your Jim Hoft and his "anonymous source" fake news straight up your ass.

not to get into who did what or why - but the article in the portland paper looks like it was written by a journalism student. couple that with "Trump Loving Right Wingers" and "The Left" - there's obvious bias in the article itself.

when i see bias in an article for either direction i stop reading. it's an editorial and we've got more than enough of those anymore.

 

[bodecea]

Wow, an anti-Muslim murderous Libertarian Bernie supporter. That's a first!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/update-portland-killer-voted-bernie-reported-trump-supporters-police-nothing-video/

MSM wants you to think he is a conservative. Nice try.

Well, we know what you want us to think......

 

[Bush92]

Wow, an anti-Muslim murderous Libertarian Bernie supporter. That's a first!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/update-portland-killer-voted-bernie-reported-trump-supporters-police-nothing-video/

MSM wants you to think he is a conservative. Nice try.

Well, we know what you want us to think......

That he is crazy like you?

 

[Pogo]

Wow, an anti-Muslim murderous Libertarian Bernie supporter. That's a first!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/update-portland-killer-voted-bernie-reported-trump-supporters-police-nothing-video/

MSM wants you to think he is a conservative. Nice try.

And Steve McRacist with his butt buddy Jim ******* Hoft want you to think a scumbag who railed about killing Jews and pranced around giving Nazi salutes, was a "supporter" of a Jew whose family were killed by Nazis.

Deep thought has never infiltrated that crowd.

Link.

"Link", o partisan hack hypocrite who jumps in with Steve McRacist's bullshit-blog thread bent on climbing on the backs of dead heroes so that you can achieve the far-more-important task of scoring cheap counterfeit points on an internet message board? "Link" you say?

Sure, WImpy. Here ya go. Enjoy.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Wow, an anti-Muslim murderous Libertarian Bernie supporter. That's a first!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/update-portland-killer-voted-bernie-reported-trump-supporters-police-nothing-video/

MSM wants you to think he is a conservative. Nice try.

And Steve McRacist with his butt buddy Jim ******* Hoft want you to think a scumbag who railed about killing Jews and pranced around giving Nazi salutes, was a "supporter" of a Jew whose family were killed by Nazis.

Deep thought has never infiltrated that crowd.

Link.

"Link", o partisan hack hypocrite who jumps in with Steve McRacist's bullshit-blog thread bent on climbing on the backs of dead heroes so that you can achieve the far-more-important task of scoring cheap counterfeit points on an internet message board? "Link" you say?

Sure, WImpy. Here ya go. Enjoy.

Everybody jumps on the Steve McGarrett bandwagon because I only post the truth.

 

[Pogo]

Wow, an anti-Muslim murderous Libertarian Bernie supporter. That's a first!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/update-portland-killer-voted-bernie-reported-trump-supporters-police-nothing-video/

MSM wants you to think he is a conservative. Nice try.

And Steve McRacist with his butt buddy Jim ******* Hoft want you to think a scumbag who railed about killing Jews and pranced around giving Nazi salutes, was a "supporter" of a Jew whose family were killed by Nazis.

Deep thought has never infiltrated that crowd.

Link.

"Link", o partisan hack hypocrite who jumps in with Steve McRacist's bullshit-blog thread bent on climbing on the backs of dead heroes so that you can achieve the far-more-important task of scoring cheap counterfeit points on an internet message board? "Link" you say?

Sure, WImpy. Here ya go. Enjoy.

Everybody jumps on the Steve McGarrett bandwagon because I only post the truth.

Self-delusion summed up in seven words:

Bigotry does not exist in my world.

 

[Bush92]

MSM wants you to think he is a conservative. Nice try.

And Steve McRacist with his butt buddy Jim ******* Hoft want you to think a scumbag who railed about killing Jews and pranced around giving Nazi salutes, was a "supporter" of a Jew whose family were killed by Nazis.

Deep thought has never infiltrated that crowd.

Link.

"Link", o partisan hack hypocrite who jumps in with Steve McRacist's bullshit-blog thread bent on climbing on the backs of dead heroes so that you can achieve the far-more-important task of scoring cheap counterfeit points on an internet message board? "Link" you say?

Sure, WImpy. Here ya go. Enjoy.

Everybody jumps on the Steve McGarrett bandwagon because I only post the truth.

Self-delusion summed up in seven words:

Bigotry does not exist in my world.

Delusion summed up in one word: impeachment.

 

[koshergrl]

Yes it is, let me guess your another one of the "my Communism is the real communism," fucktards?

My guess is you are one of Trump's poorly educated. I don't expect you to know that essential difference between socialism and communism .

Communism is a form of socialism IE worker control over the means of production dipshit.

In communism the worker doesn't control the means of production, the state does..

All forms of socialism too. They're all dictatorial.

You DON'T get out much do you? Take a trip to Europe or Canada to get a real feel for socialism. Then come back and discuss socialism intelligently.

Yeah they're both ******* pits.

The MAX itself is a great example of failed socialism applied. HUGELY expensive..runs at a loss every year. Harbors the dregs of humanity, they can't afford to police it..not that they would if they could.

The admin of Portland, and the state of Oregon, are actively contributing to the crime rate in Portland. They WANT people to be attacked by lunatics. That's why they refuse to arrest violent protesters, and why they have advertised their *hands off* approach. That's why they shut down parades instead of just protecting people. They want people to protest and be killed.

Meanwhile, they are shutting off neighborhoods regularly, dispatching militarized cops who then roam through the neighborhoods (where residents have been told to stay in their homes) looking for unnamed, allegedly *armed suspects* for crimes that they never name.

Christian was well known to the cops and to the antifa lunatics. He showed up regularly and got in peoples' faces on both sides.

The regime is using him to falsely indict right wingers and pro-American protesters, and in fact tried to use him to shut down a licensed rally already.

The mayor tried to shut down an "alt right" rally, the aclu objected, and so now the mayor has announced they will use "federal protection officers" to monitor the situation lol.

Martial law, herro.

Opinion | Portland mayor urges federal government to revoke permit for ‘alt-right’ demonstration, on the theory that ‘hate speech is not protected’

ACLU defends alt-right freedom of speech in Portland

Marshman: Feds bringing in officers for Sunday 'Patriot Prayer' rally

"The pretext for the pogroms was the shooting in Paris on November 7 of the German diplomat Adolf Hitler in Munich, Germany, where he was celebrating the anniversary of the abortive 1923 Beer Hall Putsch. There, Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, after conferring with Hitler, harangued a gathering of old storm troopers, urging violent reprisals staged to appear as “spontaneous demonstrations.” Telephone orders from Munich triggered pogroms throughout Germany, which then included Austria.

"Just before midnight on November 9, Gestapo chief Heinrich Müller sent a telegram to all police units informing them that “in shortest order, actions against Jews and especially their synagogues will take place in all of Germany. These are not to be interfered with.” Rather, the police were to arrest the victims. Fire companies stood by synagogues in flames with explicit instructions to let the buildings burn. They were to intervene only if a fire threatened adjacent “Aryan” properties."

Kristallnacht | German history

 

[JQPublic1]

Wow, an anti-Muslim murderous Libertarian Bernie supporter. That's a first!

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/update-portland-killer-voted-bernie-reported-trump-supporters-police-nothing-video/

MSM wants you to think he is a conservative. Nice try.

And Steve McRacist with his butt buddy Jim ******* Hoft want you to think a scumbag who railed about killing Jews and pranced around giving Nazi salutes, was a "supporter" of a Jew whose family were killed by Nazis.

Deep thought has never infiltrated that crowd.

Link.

"Link", o partisan hack hypocrite who jumps in with Steve McRacist's bullshit-blog thread bent on climbing on the backs of dead heroes so that you can achieve the far-more-important task of scoring cheap counterfeit points on an internet message board? "Link" you say?

Sure, WImpy. Here ya go. Enjoy.

Everybody jumps on the Steve McGarrett bandwagon because I only post the truth.

The Truth is my friend: and, he tells he's never met you.

 

[JQPublic1]

My guess is you are one of Trump's poorly educated. I don't expect you to know that essential difference between socialism and communism .

Communism is a form of socialism IE worker control over the means of production dipshit.

In communism the worker doesn't control the means of production, the state does..

All forms of socialism too. They're all dictatorial.

You DON'T get out much do you? Take a trip to Europe or Canada to get a real feel for socialism. Then come back and discuss socialism intelligently.

Yeah they're both ******* pits.

The MAX itself is a great example of failed socialism applied. HUGELY expensive..runs at a loss every year. Harbors the dregs of humanity, they can't afford to police it..not that they would if they could.

The admin of Portland, and the state of Oregon, are actively contributing to the crime rate in Portland. They WANT people to be attacked by lunatics. That's why they refuse to arrest violent protesters, and why they have advertised their *hands off* approach. That's why they shut down parades instead of just protecting people. They want people to protest and be killed.

Meanwhile, they are shutting off neighborhoods regularly, dispatching militarized cops who then roam through the neighborhoods (where residents have been told to stay in their homes) looking for unnamed, allegedly *armed suspects* for crimes that they never name.

Christian was well known to the cops and to the antifa lunatics. He showed up regularly and got in peoples' faces on both sides.

The regime is using him to falsely indict right wingers and pro-American protesters, and in fact tried to use him to shut down a licensed rally already.

The mayor tried to shut down an "alt right" rally, the aclu objected, and so now the mayor has announced they will use "federal protection officers" to monitor the situation lol.

Martial law, herro.

Opinion | Portland mayor urges federal government to revoke permit for ‘alt-right’ demonstration, on the theory that ‘hate speech is not protected’

ACLU defends alt-right freedom of speech in Portland

Marshman: Feds bringing in officers for Sunday 'Patriot Prayer' rally

"The pretext for the pogroms was the shooting in Paris on November 7 of the German diplomat Adolf Hitler in Munich, Germany, where he was celebrating the anniversary of the abortive 1923 Beer Hall Putsch. There, Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, after conferring with Hitler, harangued a gathering of old storm troopers, urging violent reprisals staged to appear as “spontaneous demonstrations.” Telephone orders from Munich triggered pogroms throughout Germany, which then included Austria.

"Just before midnight on November 9, Gestapo chief Heinrich Müller sent a telegram to all police units informing them that “in shortest order, actions against Jews and especially their synagogues will take place in all of Germany. These are not to be interfered with.” Rather, the police were to arrest the victims. Fire companies stood by synagogues in flames with explicit instructions to let the buildings burn. They were to intervene only if a fire threatened adjacent “Aryan” properties."

Kristallnacht | German history

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