Remember when the MSM reported on Ukraine killing ethnic russians in Donetsk?

[Rust_Cohle]

I 'member. Do you? Does this change any opinions now on what's happening in the region? Probably not

 

[jwoodie]

What ever happened to the concept of self-determination?

 

[Donald H]

America used the opportunity to fulfill its agenda of destroying Russia. Scott Ritter claims that this Ukrainian slaughter of their own country's people started with the fall of the S.U.

Putin became so popular with the Russian people because he finally did what it takes to stop it from happening.

Think long range when you hear that America will do what it takes. As Europe starts balking at America's war, it will call for a horrendous false flag operation that can be blamed on Russia. What can be done that can make it convincing enough?

 

[Care4all]

I 'member. Do you? Does this change any opinions now on what's happening in the region? Probably not

I 'member. Do you? Does this change any opinions now on what's happening in the region? Probably not

Wikipedia.com
In November 2013, a wave of large-scale protests (known as Euromaidan) began in response to President Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU), instead choosing closer ties to Russia. Earlier that year, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) had overwhelmingly approved finalizing the agreement with the EU.[26] Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.[27] The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government.[28] Protesters opposed what they saw as widespread government corruption and abuse of power, the influence of oligarchs, police brutality, and human rights violations.[29][30] Repressive anti-protest laws fuelled further anger.[29] A large, barricaded protest camp occupied Independence Square in central Kyiv throughout the 'Maidan Uprising'.

In January and February 2014, clashes in Kyiv between protesters and Berkut special riot police resulted in the deaths of 108 protesters and 13 police officers,[20] and the wounding of many others. The first protesters were killed in fierce clashes with police on Hrushevsky Street on 19–22 January. Following this, protesters occupied government buildings throughout the country, and the Azarov government resigned. The deadliest clashes were on 18–20 February, which saw the most severe violence in Ukraine since it regained independence.[31] Thousands of protesters advanced towards parliament, led by activists with shields and helmets, and were fired on by police snipers.[20] On 21 February, Yanukovych and the parliamentary opposition signed an agreement to bring about an interim unity government, constitutional reforms and early elections.[32] Police abandoned central Kyiv that afternoon and the protesters took control. Yanukovych fled the city that evening.[33]

The next day, 22 February, the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from office by 328 to 0 (about 73% of the parliament's 450 members).[34][35][36][32] Yanukovych claimed this vote was illegal and asked Russia for help.[37] Russia condemned the events as a "coup". Pro-Russian, counter-revolutionary protests erupted in southern and eastern Ukraine. Russia occupied and then annexed Crimea,[38][39] while armed pro-Russian separatists seized government buildings and proclaimed the independent states of Donetsk and Luhansk, sparking the Donbas War.

 

[Rust_Cohle]

Wikipedia.com
In November 2013, a wave of large-scale protests (known as Euromaidan) began in response to President Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU), instead choosing closer ties to Russia. Earlier that year, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) had overwhelmingly approved finalizing the agreement with the EU.[26] Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.[27] The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government.[28] Protesters opposed what they saw as widespread government corruption and abuse of power, the influence of oligarchs, police brutality, and human rights violations.[29][30] Repressive anti-protest laws fuelled further anger.[29] A large, barricaded protest camp occupied Independence Square in central Kyiv throughout the 'Maidan Uprising'.

In January and February 2014, clashes in Kyiv between protesters and Berkut special riot police resulted in the deaths of 108 protesters and 13 police officers,[20] and the wounding of many others. The first protesters were killed in fierce clashes with police on Hrushevsky Street on 19–22 January. Following this, protesters occupied government buildings throughout the country, and the Azarov government resigned. The deadliest clashes were on 18–20 February, which saw the most severe violence in Ukraine since it regained independence.[31] Thousands of protesters advanced towards parliament, led by activists with shields and helmets, and were fired on by police snipers.[20] On 21 February, Yanukovych and the parliamentary opposition signed an agreement to bring about an interim unity government, constitutional reforms and early elections.[32] Police abandoned central Kyiv that afternoon and the protesters took control. Yanukovych fled the city that evening.[33]

The next day, 22 February, the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from office by 328 to 0 (about 73% of the parliament's 450 members).[34][35][36][32] Yanukovych claimed this vote was illegal and asked Russia for help.[37] Russia condemned the events as a "coup". Pro-Russian, counter-revolutionary protests erupted in southern and eastern Ukraine. Russia occupied and then annexed Crimea,[38][39] while armed pro-Russian separatists seized government buildings and proclaimed the independent states of Donetsk and Luhansk, sparking the Donbas War.

Yeah you just copied and pasted The Maiden Coup lol thanks for proving my point

Euromaidan - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[1srelluc]

Another way to look at it was when the Soviet Union dissolved you had what were little more than warlords declaring "independence" for their fiefdoms so they could either bilk the west out of money, return to Muslim roots, or both.

Russia lost valuable assets that, at the time, they could not reclaim because they could barely hold together what was left....They are reclaiming them now and I don't blame them one damn bit to be honest.

 

[Marener]

Another way to look at it was when the Soviet Union dissolved you had what were little more than warlords declaring "independence" for their fiefdoms so they could either bilk the west out of money, return to Muslim roots, or both.

Russia lost valuable assets that, at the time, they could not reclaim because they could barely hold together what was left....They are reclaiming them now and I don't blame them one damn bit to be honest.

We abandoned this kind of twisted rationale long ago. This is how world wars start.

 

[1srelluc]

We abandoned this kind of twisted rationale long ago. This is how world wars start.

Are you denying that's the way it happened?

 

[Marener]

Are you denying that's the way it happened?

Yes.

Even if it did happen, not a justification to launch a war 30 years later.

 

[ding]

America used the opportunity to fulfill its agenda of destroying Russia. Scott Ritter claims that this Ukrainian slaughter of their own country's people started with the fall of the S.U.

Putin became so popular with the Russian people because he finally did what it takes to stop it from happening.

Think long range when you hear that America will do what it takes. As Europe starts balking at America's war, it will call for a horrendous false flag operation that can be blamed on Russia. What can be done that can make it convincing enough?

Why are you such a supporter of Russia?

 

[Rust_Cohle]

Another way to look at it was when the Soviet Union dissolved you had what were little more than warlords declaring "independence" for their fiefdoms so they could either bilk the west out of money, return to Muslim roots, or both.

Russia lost valuable assets that, at the time, they could not reclaim because they could barely hold together what was left....They are reclaiming them now and I don't blame them one damn bit to be honest.

How many billions does Ukraine owe that Russia paid for them when the USSR collapsed?

 

[1srelluc]

How many billions does Ukraine owe that Russia paid for them when the USSR collapsed?

LOL....Hell, they sold-off enough in surplus Mosins, K98s, and other ex-Soviet weapons/ammo to the west that I doubt they could afford to pay back given what they bring today.

Most all of that glut of ex-Soviet guns/ammo that hit the surplus market in the 90s came out of Ukraine. I doubt if they asked Moscow for permission.

Those $49.00 91/30s are $400.00 now.

 

[justoffal]

What ever happened to the concept of self-determination?

The DC swamp rats used the Illicit Ukrainian government and nation as a pedo playground, a money laundering machine and a nepotism job bank....that's what happened. They don't want any changes to it. One of the notable beneficiaries of that agreement was the Romney family btw. Why the hell do you think he hates Trump so much?

 

[alang1216]

Another way to look at it was when the Soviet Union dissolved you had what were little more than warlords declaring "independence" for their fiefdoms so they could either bilk the west out of money, return to Muslim roots, or both.

Russia lost valuable assets that, at the time, they could not reclaim because they could barely hold together what was left....They are reclaiming them now and I don't blame them one damn bit to be honest.

You mean their colonial empire fell apart and now they want to recolonize another part. Those 'valuable assets' are people that don't seem to want to be 'reclaimed'. Maybe Spain should 'reclaim' Florida?

 

[1srelluc]

You mean their colonial empire fell apart and now they want to recolonize another part. Those 'valuable assets' are people that don't seem to want to be 'reclaimed'. Maybe Spain should 'reclaim' Florida?

LOL.....If someone finds a piece of gold somewhere Spain claims that.

 

[Rust_Cohle]

LOL....Hell, they sold-off enough in surplus Mosins, K98s, and other ex-Soviet weapons/ammo to the west that I doubt they could afford to pay back given what they bring today.

Most all of that glut of ex-Soviet guns/ammo that hit the surplus market in the 90s came out of Ukraine. I doubt if they asked Moscow for permission.

Those $49.00 91/30s are $400.00 now.

Watch in 20-30 years this will repeat except Ukraine will owe us and go begging the east for money to fight against Those Damn Yankees

 

[badger2]