Refusal over personal beliefs

[HappyJoy]

If you're not a gay bar then you're not a gay bar. I guess you're probably going to advertize to the clientele you want. Anyway, I've never heard of this being a problem. So, might I suggest you go out and find that odd one in a million example and come back to us and report?

In other news. Do you know what a county clerk is?

The problem is quite common. I recall someone telling me about when I was going to college. None of the local bars in the town where I went to school wanted to admit gays because it wouldn't be long before they were overrun with queers. No straight guy wants to own a gay bar.

That doesn't demonstrate a common problem. You pulled it out of your butt.

It's not a problem any longer because it's illegal. If queers take over your bar, your only solution is to sell. However, a few decades ago bar owners could still kick out queers if they wanted to. More than a few did, which makes it "common."

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

I only have personal experience. You can dispute it all you want, but anyone who went to bars in the 80s knows it's true.

Well, your personal experience isn't worth anything. But, please tell us about all the bars you went to back in the 80s that magically turned gay...hmm, something to ponder.

I swear mom, that was a Popsicle when I put it in my mouth.

 

[bripat9643]

The problem is quite common. I recall someone telling me about when I was going to college. None of the local bars in the town where I went to school wanted to admit gays because it wouldn't be long before they were overrun with queers. No straight guy wants to own a gay bar.

That doesn't demonstrate a common problem. You pulled it out of your butt.

It's not a problem any longer because it's illegal. If queers take over your bar, your only solution is to sell. However, a few decades ago bar owners could still kick out queers if they wanted to. More than a few did, which makes it "common."

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

I only have personal experience. You can dispute it all you want, but anyone who went to bars in the 80s knows it's true.

Well, your personal experience isn't worth anything. But, please tell us about all the bars you went to back in the 80s that magically turned gay...hmm, something to ponder.

I swear mom, that was a Popsicle when I put it in my mouth.

It's good enough for me. I don't care whether you believe it.

 

[HappyJoy]

That doesn't demonstrate a common problem. You pulled it out of your butt.

It's not a problem any longer because it's illegal. If queers take over your bar, your only solution is to sell. However, a few decades ago bar owners could still kick out queers if they wanted to. More than a few did, which makes it "common."

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

I only have personal experience. You can dispute it all you want, but anyone who went to bars in the 80s knows it's true.

Well, your personal experience isn't worth anything. But, please tell us about all the bars you went to back in the 80s that magically turned gay...hmm, something to ponder.

I swear mom, that was a Popsicle when I put it in my mouth.

It's good enough for me. I don't care whether you believe it.

You should start a one man forum.

 

[kaz]

I stand by my opinion.................I'll go away when I please............

You have a bar...........saved up to own your own business..........everything is great...............and then gays start visiting.........no biggie at first...........but it bothers some customers.....then more come......straghts leave.....more come and the next thing you have is bar known as the GAY BAR.........

Which is why in this day and age they should do a members only club set up.........so you can deny non members as you choose......many do this for this very reason......so their place stays how they want it to stay..............

If you're not a gay bar then you're not a gay bar. I guess you're probably going to advertize to the clientele you want. Anyway, I've never heard of this being a problem. So, might I suggest you go out and find that odd one in a million example and come back to us and report?

In other news. Do you know what a county clerk is?

The problem is quite common. I recall someone telling me about when I was going to college. None of the local bars in the town where I went to school wanted to admit gays because it wouldn't be long before they were overrun with queers. No straight guy wants to own a gay bar.

That doesn't demonstrate a common problem. You pulled it out of your butt.

It's not a problem any longer because it's illegal. If queers take over your bar, your only solution is to sell. However, a few decades ago bar owners could still kick out queers if they wanted to. More than a few did, which makes it "common."

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

If it's not a problem, why do you think government needs to force one solution on all business owners? Obviously you think that's a problem. We just support businesses making their own decision

 

[kaz]

But unlike Bruce, while the business didn't want to serve gays, they did serve blacks. Bruce isn't serving blacks or gays. So that makes it OK? Widespread bigotry is good for you, just not selective bigotry?

He cancels a concert and you are choosing to select which groups of people have to get refunds? Very odd way to fail miserably to make a point.

Not what I said. He should be fined a hundred housand for every customer he didn't serve. You know, like if he didn't bake cakes for them

Well, no, that's not how the law works. sorry.

Yes, liberalism is a pick and choose ideology based on how you feel about a particular issue. It makes perfect sense to you that PA laws apply to baking a cake but not playing a guitar, doesn't it?

Nope, let me tell you why.

If Ted Nugent chose to cancel a show for whatever political reason and refund everyone's money then PA laws would not apply. Just as if a baker chose to close their business because they didn't like whatever laws are in place in their community, they could and PA laws wouldn't be an issue.

You guys, seriously have some awful arguments in this thread.

So Bruce isn't going to perform again? I call bull shit to that. Prove it

 

[kaz]

It's not a problem any longer because it's illegal. If queers take over your bar, your only solution is to sell. However, a few decades ago bar owners could still kick out queers if they wanted to. More than a few did, which makes it "common."

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

I only have personal experience. You can dispute it all you want, but anyone who went to bars in the 80s knows it's true.

Well, your personal experience isn't worth anything. But, please tell us about all the bars you went to back in the 80s that magically turned gay...hmm, something to ponder.

I swear mom, that was a Popsicle when I put it in my mouth.

It's good enough for me. I don't care whether you believe it.

You should start a one man forum.

Agreed. And if you enter his forum, there's still only one man

 

[bodecea]

The problem is quite common. I recall someone telling me about when I was going to college. None of the local bars in the town where I went to school wanted to admit gays because it wouldn't be long before they were overrun with queers. No straight guy wants to own a gay bar.

That doesn't demonstrate a common problem. You pulled it out of your butt.

It's not a problem any longer because it's illegal. If queers take over your bar, your only solution is to sell. However, a few decades ago bar owners could still kick out queers if they wanted to. More than a few did, which makes it "common."

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

I only have personal experience. You can dispute it all you want, but anyone who went to bars in the 80s knows it's true.

Well, your personal experience isn't worth anything. But, please tell us about all the bars you went to back in the 80s that magically turned gay...hmm, something to ponder.

I swear mom, that was a Popsicle when I put it in my mouth.

Well, there's the one in Palm Springs that has his avie picture over the bar......

 

[RandallFlagg]

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Belive me the libtards will find a way to justify their hypocrisy

Well, it's true. When liberals enact the same old bullshit ideology of "do as I say - not as I do" it's because they see themselves as somehow "enlightened" and more "important" than you or I. It's absolute bullshit and nothing more than that. Give them a couple of million bucks (of OUR hard earned dollars) and suddenly they speak for everyone and we are supposed to (as liberals do) live on their every word. Case in point? Bono. That guys is so full of shit (and himself) that he TRULY believes that we give a shit about what he has to say.

 

[bripat9643]

That doesn't demonstrate a common problem. You pulled it out of your butt.

It's not a problem any longer because it's illegal. If queers take over your bar, your only solution is to sell. However, a few decades ago bar owners could still kick out queers if they wanted to. More than a few did, which makes it "common."

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

I only have personal experience. You can dispute it all you want, but anyone who went to bars in the 80s knows it's true.

Well, your personal experience isn't worth anything. But, please tell us about all the bars you went to back in the 80s that magically turned gay...hmm, something to ponder.

I swear mom, that was a Popsicle when I put it in my mouth.

Well, there's the one in Palm Springs that has his avie picture over the bar......

Apparently you believe that to be significant in some way.

 

[rcfieldz]

Ignorance is bliss?

 

[HappyJoy]

If you're not a gay bar then you're not a gay bar. I guess you're probably going to advertize to the clientele you want. Anyway, I've never heard of this being a problem. So, might I suggest you go out and find that odd one in a million example and come back to us and report?

In other news. Do you know what a county clerk is?

The problem is quite common. I recall someone telling me about when I was going to college. None of the local bars in the town where I went to school wanted to admit gays because it wouldn't be long before they were overrun with queers. No straight guy wants to own a gay bar.

That doesn't demonstrate a common problem. You pulled it out of your butt.

It's not a problem any longer because it's illegal. If queers take over your bar, your only solution is to sell. However, a few decades ago bar owners could still kick out queers if they wanted to. More than a few did, which makes it "common."

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

If it's not a problem, why do you think government needs to force one solution on all business owners? Obviously you think that's a problem. We just support businesses making their own decision

What does that have to do with finger boy claiming a bunch of straight bars he attended in the 80s went gay?

 

[HappyJoy]

He cancels a concert and you are choosing to select which groups of people have to get refunds? Very odd way to fail miserably to make a point.

Not what I said. He should be fined a hundred housand for every customer he didn't serve. You know, like if he didn't bake cakes for them

Well, no, that's not how the law works. sorry.

Yes, liberalism is a pick and choose ideology based on how you feel about a particular issue. It makes perfect sense to you that PA laws apply to baking a cake but not playing a guitar, doesn't it?

Nope, let me tell you why.

If Ted Nugent chose to cancel a show for whatever political reason and refund everyone's money then PA laws would not apply. Just as if a baker chose to close their business because they didn't like whatever laws are in place in their community, they could and PA laws wouldn't be an issue.

You guys, seriously have some awful arguments in this thread.

So Bruce isn't going to perform again? I call bull shit to that. Prove it

Uh, who said he isn't going to perform again?

 

[HappyJoy]

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

I only have personal experience. You can dispute it all you want, but anyone who went to bars in the 80s knows it's true.

Well, your personal experience isn't worth anything. But, please tell us about all the bars you went to back in the 80s that magically turned gay...hmm, something to ponder.

I swear mom, that was a Popsicle when I put it in my mouth.

It's good enough for me. I don't care whether you believe it.

You should start a one man forum.

Agreed. And if you enter his forum, there's still only one man

Oh, I see what you did there Kaz, you sneaky son of a bitch, you almost have a sense of humor.

 

[HappyJoy]

That doesn't demonstrate a common problem. You pulled it out of your butt.

It's not a problem any longer because it's illegal. If queers take over your bar, your only solution is to sell. However, a few decades ago bar owners could still kick out queers if they wanted to. More than a few did, which makes it "common."

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

I only have personal experience. You can dispute it all you want, but anyone who went to bars in the 80s knows it's true.

Well, your personal experience isn't worth anything. But, please tell us about all the bars you went to back in the 80s that magically turned gay...hmm, something to ponder.

I swear mom, that was a Popsicle when I put it in my mouth.

Well, there's the one in Palm Springs that has his avie picture over the bar......

Really? Awesome.

 

[bripat9643]

The problem is quite common. I recall someone telling me about when I was going to college. None of the local bars in the town where I went to school wanted to admit gays because it wouldn't be long before they were overrun with queers. No straight guy wants to own a gay bar.

That doesn't demonstrate a common problem. You pulled it out of your butt.

It's not a problem any longer because it's illegal. If queers take over your bar, your only solution is to sell. However, a few decades ago bar owners could still kick out queers if they wanted to. More than a few did, which makes it "common."

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

If it's not a problem, why do you think government needs to force one solution on all business owners? Obviously you think that's a problem. We just support businesses making their own decision

What does that have to do with finger boy claiming a bunch of straight bars he attended in the 80s went gay?

That isn't what I said.

 

[HappyJoy]

That doesn't demonstrate a common problem. You pulled it out of your butt.

It's not a problem any longer because it's illegal. If queers take over your bar, your only solution is to sell. However, a few decades ago bar owners could still kick out queers if they wanted to. More than a few did, which makes it "common."

Yep, you still haven't shown where this is or ever was a problem.

If it's not a problem, why do you think government needs to force one solution on all business owners? Obviously you think that's a problem. We just support businesses making their own decision

What does that have to do with finger boy claiming a bunch of straight bars he attended in the 80s went gay?

That isn't what I said.

Whatever you said you can't/won't back it up with anything so it doesn't really matter.

 

[OKTexas]

"Belive me the libtards will find a way to justify their hypocrisy"

The ignorance and stupidity of this is astounding, but not surprising, given the ignorance and stupidity common to most on the right.

The thread premise fails as a false comparison fallacy – where two different things, completely unrelated to each other, are subject to ‘comparison.’

Public accommodations laws with provisions for sexual orientation are necessary, proper, and Constitutional regulatory policy authorized by the Commerce Clause, in no way ‘violating’ religious liberty or personal beliefs.

That a business owner might be subject to punitive measures for violating a just as proper public accommodations law is not ‘forcing’ the business owner to do anything, as he’s subject to other similar just and proper regulatory measures.

Private citizens such as rock stars are not subject to public accommodations laws.

Consequently, there is no ‘hypocrisy’ on the part of liberals, just the ignorance and stupidity common to most conservatives.

And that this must be explained to conservatives yet again is both sad and telling

Talk about false comparison fallacy, are you really so fucking stupid that you don't know the Commerce Clause is a damn federal power to regulate interstate commerce? It has absolutely nothing to do with state regulations.

Also most all rock stars are corporations, a business, they enter into a contract to perform, if they fail to perform they are in breach of that contract. Every person who held a ticket based on that contract should sue the sons a bitches for compensatory and punitive damages, for said breach.

 

[couch protester]

Bakeries, Florists and Photographers are businesses and therefor public accommodations. A performer is not a public accommodation.

Refusing to perform after tickets have been sold is a service refused the customers. Somebody failed at common sense for business ethics 101. If performer refused to render service because he was a racist and rejected performing for blacks after he sold them tickets but didn't know they were black, then would violate their Rights, but hypocrisy doesn't apply to other creed/gender.

 

[Syriusly]

Did any bands perform a concert but refuse entry to Christians? Maybe they told straight people that they were not permitted to attend? Yes?

People paid for the concerts..............they paid for a service..........listening to the bands..............they refused that service because of the personal beliefs...............

The baker refused service.......no payment had ever been made..........because of their personal beliefs........

You can't have your fucking cake and eat it too........

People should sue the band's asses to prove a point.

Oh some idiot I am sure will do just that.

Always a lawyer waiting to take some idiots money for a case he knows will lose.

 

[Syriusly]

Racist idiot says:

Why is it okay for a band to refuse to play in Alabama because of their racist policies

But not okay for that lunch counter to refuse to sell to African Americans?