Record number of uninsured adults...What is the GOP going to do about it?

[Chris]

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

And because their companies have a lower healthcare cost burden than ours, the rest of the world has a competitive advantage over us.

Toyota just located a plant in Canada because the healthcare costs are cheaper there.

 

[Intense]

Number of uninsured U.S. adults hits record high - USATODAY.com

Nearly 50 million Americans have gone without health insurance for at least part of the past year — up from 46 million people in 2008, federal health officials reported Tuesday.
Those people included not only those Americans living in poverty, but an increasing number of middle-income people, according to a report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"The bottom line is that uninsurance of young and middle-class adults increased by 4 million people from 2008 to the first quarter of 2010," CDC Director Dr. Thomas R. Frieden said during a news conference Tuesday.

What's more, the number of people without insurance for a year or more increased from 27.5 million in 2008 to 30.4 million in the first quarter of 2010, Frieden said. "That's an increase of 3 million of chronically uninsured adults."

These findings debunk two myths about health insurance, Frieden said. "The first myth is that it's only the poor who are uninsured. In fact, half of the uninsured are over the poverty level," he said.

"The second myth is that it's only healthy people who are uninsured and that young healthy people make a choice not to have health insurance. In fact, more than two out of five individuals who are uninsured at some point during the past year had one or more chronic diseases," he said

What is the GOP plan? Repeal?

Send them home.

Let me get this straight, Democratic Draconian Legislation is hitting the Insurance Companies like a Tsunami, compounding the problem, and all of a sudden you are interested in what we think? That's Precious.

You did this. You still don't get it. There is nothing you can give to anyone, that you did not take from another first. Now you have succeeded in the destruction of another industry. I just wish you would do to Government what you are doing to the Free Market, only without taking us down with you.

 

[Revere]

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

And because their companies have a lower healthcare cost burden than ours, the rest of the world has a competitive advantage over us.

Toyota just located a plant in Canada because the healthcare costs are cheaper there.

Mercedes Benz is building a plant here.

So what?

Why should American taxpayers subsidize Toyota's healthcare?

 

[Intense]

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

And because their companies have a lower healthcare cost burden than ours, the rest of the world has a competitive advantage over us.

Toyota just located a plant in Canada because the healthcare costs are cheaper there.

Maybe we should do our part and stop treating Canadians here? Law Suits, Liability Insurance, Unnecessary Procedures, Monopolies, Government redundancy and obstruction. Yeah, sounds great.

 

[Political Junky]

Add to it?

Do uninsured people get healthcare in the US?

Yes..All public hospitals are required by law to treat indigent patients.

For emergencies. Not for cancer or other serious conditions, but you know that.

 

[Chris]

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

And because their companies have a lower healthcare cost burden than ours, the rest of the world has a competitive advantage over us.

Toyota just located a plant in Canada because the healthcare costs are cheaper there.

Mercedes Benz is building a plant here.

So what?

Why should American taxpayers subsidize Toyota's healthcare?

So Americans will have jobs?

 

[Revere]

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

And because their companies have a lower healthcare cost burden than ours, the rest of the world has a competitive advantage over us.

Toyota just located a plant in Canada because the healthcare costs are cheaper there.

Mercedes Benz is building a plant here.

So what?

Why should American taxpayers subsidize Toyota's healthcare?

So Americans will have jobs?

Toyota should get corporate welfare?

 

[Revere]

You got a link that says they are building that plant there because of health care costs? Why would they not build it here now that Obamacare is around the corner? Do you know how many plants Toyota already has in the US? Yep, built they even though Canda health care is cheaper.

Did it occur to you they are tired of being antagonized by politically motivated safety investigations in this country?

 

[Chris]

You got a link that says they are building that plant there because of health care costs? Why would they not build it here now that Obamacare is around the corner? Do you know how many plants Toyota already has in the US? Yep, built they even though Canda health care is cheaper.

Did it occur to you they are tired of being antagonized by politically motivated safety investigations in this country?

I posted the link here several times over a year ago.

Figure it out, Brainiac.

Healthcare costs are much cheaper in Canada because they have national health insurance.

 

[Jroc]

I know these are last years numbers, but look how many illeagals are counted amoungst the uninsured...I guess we should pay for them too right?

Another attack on inflated ‘uninsured’ numbers; most American citizens have health insurance

The Denver Post’s David Harsanyi exposes how politicians and providers are inflating the number of American citizens who don’t have health insurance. As I’ve blogged, the correct number is between 6 million and 8 million, not the hyped 46 to 50 million used by advocates for universal health insurance. George Will recentlly said 20 million are uninsured and the Congressional Budget Office recently said 31 million, but those still are inflated numbers.

Too bad Harsanyi didn’t come up with an estimate of how many are uninsured and write a hard lede that would tell the story for readers who never get beyond the third graph.

Harsanyi notes:

CBO says 45%, or 20.7 million of the Census Bureau’s inflated 46 million uninsured are uninsured for four months or less. That puts the number of uninsured at 25.3 million.

CBO estimates that 15%, or 6.9 million, of the 46 million uninsured chronically ill already are eligible for help. That puts the “uninsured” at 39.1 million.

National Bureau of Economic Research estimates 25%, or 11.5 million, to 75%, or 34 million, of the 46 million uninsured can afford health care insurance. That means 12 million to 34.5 million can’t afford health insurance, depending on assumptions about what is “affordable.”

Harsanyi notes that for many Americans, nothing we buy is “affordable.”

8.4 million uninsured Americans are making $50,000 to $74,999 a year.

9.1 million uninsured Americans are making more than $75,000 a year

Thus, 17.5 million “uninsured” Americans are making enough to afford at least basic, high deductible catastrophic health insurance, but they prefer to game the system. So that puts the number of the uninsured, including illegal immigrants, at about 28.5 million.

Links:

Number of uninsured is inflated, according to wsj.com.

From The Wall Street Journal (wsj.com):

Clouding future projections of uninsured are tricky methods of counting them today. Even though legislation won’t cover many of them, illegal immigrants are especially difficult to enumerate: Few raise their hands to be counted. Prof. Gruber estimates they make up about 13% of the uninsured today, or nearly six million people of that 45 million number.

I think this is a huge under estimate. Probably 12 million to 15 million illegal immigrants are counted as uninsured.

There are 6 million to 8 million uninsured American Citizens who can’t afford health insurance and aren’t eligible for existing programs.

Blue Cross estimates that there are 8.2 million Americans who cannot gain access to health insurance, according to Fox Business News. Watch the whole clip.

The Blue Cross report on the uninsured is here. The 8.2 million figure is several slides into the report.

With the rise in unemployment to 9.4% from 4.6% a couple of years ago, there is no question that more people are uninsured today. How many? Who knows


http://www.businessword.com/index.php/weblog/comments/2640

 

[Chris]

I don't have health insurance.

Why should I pay an insurance company to lobby Congress to deny me coverage?

 

[bucs90]

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What is the GOP plan? Repeal?

Well, let me start by pointing out the huge example of liberal ideology. Folks have a problem in their lives. Their first and #1 question is "What is the government gonna do about it". There lays the problem. Depend on yourself, not the gov't.

But anyway, since you asked, lets start by repealing the healthcare law that is gonna make insurance so expensive that companies are gonna keep dumping their employees off their health insurance plans. Can't deny that. Since the bill, how many stories have we heard about that happening?

Next, lets lower taxes on companies so they have money to hire more people. Stop vilifying the rich people WHO HIRE AND EMPLOY THE WORKER AND PAY THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE. If you take money from them, they will layoff workers, and those workers will become uninsured. Quite simple.

Next, to help cut costs, raise retirement age to 68-70. And basically tell all the fat ass, disgusting blobs living in our country who cry about "Whats the government gonna do about it" to go for a jog, eat some spinach, and make their own self healthier so healthcare won't be in such high demand.

If your nation will quit being a bunch of fat asses, the healthcare crisis will solve itself.

 

[bucs90]

You got a link that says they are building that plant there because of health care costs? Why would they not build it here now that Obamacare is around the corner? Do you know how many plants Toyota already has in the US? Yep, built they even though Canda health care is cheaper.

Did it occur to you they are tired of being antagonized by politically motivated safety investigations in this country?

I posted the link here several times over a year ago.

Figure it out, Brainiac.

Healthcare costs are much cheaper in Canada because they have national health insurance.

They have national health insurance because their only neighbor is the most powerful military in human history and it's strongest ally, thus allowing Canada to have a military budget that is dwarfed by the US. So....Canada has the extra cash to do that.

Dont like living in the nation that must act as the World Police? Oh well, it's reality. Tell Canada and Mexico to get their military up to par and help out.

 

[Chris]

You got a link that says they are building that plant there because of health care costs? Why would they not build it here now that Obamacare is around the corner? Do you know how many plants Toyota already has in the US? Yep, built they even though Canda health care is cheaper.

Did it occur to you they are tired of being antagonized by politically motivated safety investigations in this country?

I posted the link here several times over a year ago.

Figure it out, Brainiac.

Healthcare costs are much cheaper in Canada because they have national health insurance.

They have national health insurance because their only neighbor is the most powerful military in human history and it's strongest ally, thus allowing Canada to have a military budget that is dwarfed by the US. So....Canada has the extra cash to do that.

Dont like living in the nation that must act as the World Police? Oh well, it's reality. Tell Canada and Mexico to get their military up to par and help out.

No, they have national health insurance because they are smart. Just like every other industrialized nation in the world....except the United States.

And the military has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

 

[Dr Grump]

Number of uninsured U.S. adults hits record high - USATODAY.com

Nearly 50 million Americans have gone without health insurance for at least part of the past year — up from 46 million people in 2008, federal health officials reported Tuesday.
Those people included not only those Americans living in poverty, but an increasing number of middle-income people, according to a report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"The bottom line is that uninsurance of young and middle-class adults increased by 4 million people from 2008 to the first quarter of 2010," CDC Director Dr. Thomas R. Frieden said during a news conference Tuesday.

What's more, the number of people without insurance for a year or more increased from 27.5 million in 2008 to 30.4 million in the first quarter of 2010, Frieden said. "That's an increase of 3 million of chronically uninsured adults."

These findings debunk two myths about health insurance, Frieden said. "The first myth is that it's only the poor who are uninsured. In fact, half of the uninsured are over the poverty level," he said.

"The second myth is that it's only healthy people who are uninsured and that young healthy people make a choice not to have health insurance. In fact, more than two out of five individuals who are uninsured at some point during the past year had one or more chronic diseases," he said

What is the GOP plan? Repeal?

You know, I forgot about the silver lining attached to the Repubs winning that house. Now they have to come up with solutions instead of bleating "NO!" every five minutes. Will be interesting to see what they come up with...



...or not....

 

[bucs90]

I posted the link here several times over a year ago.

Figure it out, Brainiac.

Healthcare costs are much cheaper in Canada because they have national health insurance.

They have national health insurance because their only neighbor is the most powerful military in human history and it's strongest ally, thus allowing Canada to have a military budget that is dwarfed by the US. So....Canada has the extra cash to do that.

Dont like living in the nation that must act as the World Police? Oh well, it's reality. Tell Canada and Mexico to get their military up to par and help out.

No, they have national health insurance because they are smart. Just like every other industrialized nation in the world....except the United States.

And the military has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Haha!! Thats your best argument, "because they are smart"?

If you think our military spending has nothing to do with the fact that we can't afford national insurance for 300 million people then you are just a retard.

Like all liberals, your mind cant comprehend the idea that goods cost money. We can't have national insurance if we don't have the money to pay for it. In case you haven't noticed, we're almost bankrupt.

And some of those glorious nations with those univerals plans, like France and Greece, are heading down the toilet of bankruptcy.

But what your delusional liberal brain cant comprehend, is we already have an unofficial national insurance plan. We have Medicare and Medicaid, of course. But we also have the law that mandates ER's to treat people. Thats why illegal aliens flood the ER's for a runny nose, a cough, a sprained ankle, and our ER's treat them. Welfare queens and Trailor Park Tammy also take advantage of that. They dont pay the bill. And higher premiums make up for it.

Of course, we could have a national plan, and lower premiums as a result, but then we'd have to tax the shit out of our people to pay for it, so that money saved in lower premiums would just be transferred to the gov't in higher taxes. And I'm sure total control of the health system by the government would work out great!! Just look at the quality of our government run schools!!!! And the DMV!!! HAHA!

 

[Chris]

Mitch McConnell already said his number one priority will be to defeat the president in 2012.

Not help the American economy, not help the American people, but defeat the president.

Glad you got your priorities straight, Mitch.

 

[mdn2000]

Every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.

And because their companies have a lower healthcare cost burden than ours, the rest of the world has a competitive advantage over us.

Toyota just located a plant in Canada because the healthcare costs are cheaper there.

Every other, thats half right, every other one is half.

Not one other industrial nation has the same economy as us, I guess we need to shrink our economy to the level of second and third best and then like all the other nations import health technology and advances from????

 

[bucs90]

Number of uninsured U.S. adults hits record high - USATODAY.com

Nearly 50 million Americans have gone without health insurance for at least part of the past year — up from 46 million people in 2008, federal health officials reported Tuesday.
Those people included not only those Americans living in poverty, but an increasing number of middle-income people, according to a report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"The bottom line is that uninsurance of young and middle-class adults increased by 4 million people from 2008 to the first quarter of 2010," CDC Director Dr. Thomas R. Frieden said during a news conference Tuesday.

What's more, the number of people without insurance for a year or more increased from 27.5 million in 2008 to 30.4 million in the first quarter of 2010, Frieden said. "That's an increase of 3 million of chronically uninsured adults."

These findings debunk two myths about health insurance, Frieden said. "The first myth is that it's only the poor who are uninsured. In fact, half of the uninsured are over the poverty level," he said.

"The second myth is that it's only healthy people who are uninsured and that young healthy people make a choice not to have health insurance. In fact, more than two out of five individuals who are uninsured at some point during the past year had one or more chronic diseases," he said

What is the GOP plan? Repeal?

You know, I forgot about the silver lining attached to the Repubs winning that house. Now they have to come up with solutions instead of bleating "NO!" every five minutes. Will be interesting to see what they come up with...



...or not....

Here is one...............


How about in the time the GOP is gonna take to figure out a plan.........


All you whining liberals get off your fat asses and take responsibilty for your own well-being rather than just looking to the government and saying "Whatcha gonna do for me?"


The day liberals but even a fraction of the effort they put out in demanding gov't handouts into instead finding ways to be self-reliant....will be the day our country has a turning point.


But no, they won't. Instead, they'll keep demanding "WHATS THE GOVERNMENT GONNA DO FOR ME?"

Well, look around liberals. Your government built you roads to drive to work. And keeps you safe from threats foreign and domestic. It even provided you with a chance at a free education. The rest is truly up to your own fat ass to make it happen.

 

[Chris]

They have national health insurance because their only neighbor is the most powerful military in human history and it's strongest ally, thus allowing Canada to have a military budget that is dwarfed by the US. So....Canada has the extra cash to do that.

Dont like living in the nation that must act as the World Police? Oh well, it's reality. Tell Canada and Mexico to get their military up to par and help out.

No, they have national health insurance because they are smart. Just like every other industrialized nation in the world....except the United States.

And the military has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Haha!! Thats your best argument, "because they are smart"?

If you think our military spending has nothing to do with the fact that we can't afford national insurance for 300 million people then you are just a retard.

Like all liberals, your mind cant comprehend the idea that goods cost money. We can't have national insurance if we don't have the money to pay for it. In case you haven't noticed, we're almost bankrupt.

And some of those glorious nations with those univerals plans, like France and Greece, are heading down the toilet of bankruptcy.

But what your delusional liberal brain cant comprehend, is we already have an unofficial national insurance plan. We have Medicare and Medicaid, of course. But we also have the law that mandates ER's to treat people. Thats why illegal aliens flood the ER's for a runny nose, a cough, a sprained ankle, and our ER's treat them. Welfare queens and Trailor Park Tammy also take advantage of that. They dont pay the bill. And higher premiums make up for it.

Of course, we could have a national plan, and lower premiums as a result, but then we'd have to tax the shit out of our people to pay for it, so that money saved in lower premiums would just be transferred to the gov't in higher taxes. And I'm sure total control of the health system by the government would work out great!! Just look at the quality of our government run schools!!!! And the DMV!!! HAHA!

So we are already paying for everyone's healthcare in the most expensive way possible, the ER.

Glad to see that you agree with me.

It's much cheaper to have a national healthcare system than to wait until people have to go to the emergency room. That is one of the reasons that every other industrialized nation in the world has national health insurance and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare.