Record number of American concerned about Climate Change

[skookerasbil]

As usual we have the gathering of the village idiots here, Dunning-Kruger convention, repeating the same old nonsense phrases, and completely ignoring reality. Over a thousand people dead in the Pacific Northwest heat wave, no big deal. Texas loses it's power due to a storm predicted a week in advance, due to inadequate maintenance of all aspects of their grid. Record number of tornadoes in December. Wild fires in December that destroyed farms, ranches, and homes in one state, and nearly 1000 home in another state. But no one ever predicted extreme weather events as part of what climate change caused by global warming would bring. No one ever predicted the rapid melting of mountain glaciers and the ice caps in Greenland and Antarctica. No one ever predicted the rapid shrinking of the sea ice in the summer in the Arctic Ocean. You silly bastard are such dumb liars.

But wait.....

Youve been saying the EXACT same stuff in here for 12 years.....and btw, always adding the little angry rant about "liars" at the end.

But where is there any evidence your side has moved the ball even a yard in the real world? Where is "the science" having any significant impact on the people who make energy policy?

So really.....who's the dumb fuck?

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[abu afak]

Climate change is a ‘Global Emergency’, people say in Biggest Ever Climate Poll​

27 January 2021


Almost two-thirds of over 1.2 million people surveyed worldwide say that climate change is a global emergency, urging greater action to address the crisis, results from a new UN climate survey revealed on Wednesday.
Described as the biggest climate survey yet conducted, UN Development Programme (UNDP)’s “People’s Climate Vote” poll also showed that people supported more comprehensive climate policies to respond to the challenges. The survey covered 50 countries with over half the world’s population.
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Climate change is a ‘global emergency’, people say in biggest ever climate poll

Almost two-thirds of over 1.2 million people surveyed worldwide say that climate change is a global emergency, urging greater action to address the crisis, results from a new UN climate survey revealed on Wednesday.

news.un.org

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[Sunsettommy]

Climate change is a ‘Global Emergency’, people say in Biggest Ever Climate Poll​

27 January 2021


Almost two-thirds of over 1.2 million people surveyed worldwide say that climate change is a global emergency, urging greater action to address the crisis, results from a new UN climate survey revealed on Wednesday.
Described as the biggest climate survey yet conducted, UN Development Programme (UNDP)’s “People’s Climate Vote” poll also showed that people supported more comprehensive climate policies to respond to the challenges. The survey covered 50 countries with over half the world’s population.
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Climate change is a ‘global emergency’, people say in biggest ever climate poll

Almost two-thirds of over 1.2 million people surveyed worldwide say that climate change is a global emergency, urging greater action to address the crisis, results from a new UN climate survey revealed on Wednesday.

news.un.org

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LOL another single-issue poll which is always misleading since it isn't allowing other concerns for people to weight against it here is what the QUESTIONS were from the download link at page 63.

"The Peoples’ Climate Vote involved two “big picture” questions followed by six policy questions where the respondent could select up to three preferences per question (18 total). For demographic information, respondents were asked to identify their gender from male, female or “X”, their age as under-18, 18-35, 36-59, or 60+, and when they left their education.

The first two “big picture” questions asked the respondent if they thought climate change was a global emergency and, if so, the urgency of action required to address it. The second part of the survey asked respondents which of the 18 policies they favoured to tackle climate change. The policy options were framed around six of the most impactful solution areas: energy, economy, transportation, farms and food, protecting people, and nature. The content draws from the SDGs, portfolio and approaches by the United Nations and UNDP, and analyses conducted by the IPCC and NASA, and NGOs such as Project Drawdown. The content was simplified to enable mass participation and reviewed by some of the world’s leading experts on climate policy."

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Another misleading poll for suckers like Abu to make a fool of themselves over here is a far better set of polls to consider where many possible concerns are listed, and the respondents make their decision by ranking them from my post 79 is my post showing several MULTIPLE CONCERN polls showing that climate change/Global warming are at or near the bottom of the list of importance.

Multiple concern polls are a far better measure on what people think are most important to them.

 

[abu afak]

LOL another single-issue pool which is always misleading since it isn't allowing other concerns for people to weight against it here is what the QUESTIONS were from the download link at page 63.

"The Peoples’ Climate Vote involved two “big picture” questions followed by six policy questions where the respondent could select up to three preferences per question (18 total). For demographic information, respondents were asked to identify their gender from male, female or “X”, their age as under-18, 18-35, 36-59, or 60+, and when they left their education.

The first two “big picture” questions asked the respondent if they thought climate change was a global emergency and, if so, the urgency of action required to address it. The second part of the survey asked respondents which of the 18 policies they favoured to tackle climate change. The policy options were framed around six of the most impactful solution areas: energy, economy, transportation, farms and food, protecting people, and nature. The content draws from the SDGs, portfolio and approaches by the United Nations and UNDP, and analyses conducted by the IPCC and NASA, and NGOs such as Project Drawdown. The content was simplified to enable mass participation and reviewed by some of the world’s leading experts on climate policy."

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Another misleading poll for suckers like Abu to make a fool of themselves over here is a far better set of polls to consider where many possible concerns are listed, and the respondents make their decision by ranking them from my post 79 is my post showing several MULTIPLE CONCERN polls showing that climate change/Global warming are at or near the bottom of the list of importance.

Multiple concern polls are a far better measure on what people think are most important to them.

This is NOT the "Multiple Concern" section. (ooops!)
We ARE VERY interested in that One issue here and how concerned people are about it.
This is the Env and Climate debate section.
The poll you posted was a USA-only and multiple concern.

ooof.

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[ding]

abu afak Solar variability and orbital forcings coupled with albedo of the northern hemisphere have driven all climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainty over the last 3 million years because the planet is uniquely configured for bipolar glaciation and the planet's temperature is at the threshhold for extensive northern hemisphere glaciation. Wake the fuck up, dummy.

 

[badbob85037]

Six in 10 Americans âalarmedâ or âconcernedâ about climate change â study

New report finds ‘alarmed’ group doubled in size over five years, while only two in 10 Americans are ‘doubtful’ or ‘dismissive’

www.theguardian.com

This is not good for the Deniers in the repub party. Weather extremes are gonna get worse as the years go on. But don't try to convince a repub.

Some say if a lie is repeated often enough people will believe it. I think the ones saying that were talking about democRats. After all they and cheating put Crusty Joe in office. Matter of fact they put all these democRats in office. If you want to really confuse them ask if they know any that have done a good job instead of turning what ever they touch into shit. Examples: California, New York, Illinois, Organ, Washington. The only thing bad is when making a state so bad is is unlivable they move to a Repug state and do the same damn thing. To save this nation we need to legalize genocide.

 

[Woodznutz]

Some say if a lie is repeated often enough people will believe it. I think the ones saying that were talking about democRats. After all they and cheating put Crusty Joe in office. Matter of fact they put all these democRats in office. If you want to really confuse them ask if they know any that have done a good job instead of turning what ever they touch into shit. Examples: California, New York, Illinois, Organ, Washington. The only thing bad is when making a state so bad is is unlivable they move to a Repug state and do the same damn thing. To save this nation we need to legalize genocide.

Lol. We just made it illegal.

Ask those same "six in ten" what they are doing about it and you'll get a blank stare.

I recently signed up for cheaper "off-peak" electric use, which the utility produces using less fuel. Talking with a company rep revealed that very few take advantage of the program. This in a very liberal city. Curious.

 

[JimH52]

Some say if a lie is repeated often enough people will believe it. I think the ones saying that were talking about democRats. After all they and cheating put Crusty Joe in office. Matter of fact they put all these democRats in office. If you want to really confuse them ask if they know any that have done a good job instead of turning what ever they touch into shit. Examples: California, New York, Illinois, Organ, Washington. The only thing bad is when making a state so bad is is unlivable they move to a Repug state and do the same damn thing. To save this nation we need to legalize genocide.

You are willing to let you grandchildren suffer extreme drought.....water shortages.....extreme weather.....and rising sea levels because that renown scientist...Donald trump says climate change is fake? Really?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are willing to let you grandchildren suffer extreme drought.....water shortages.....extreme weather.....and rising sea levels because that renown scientist...Donald trump says climate change is fake? Really?

How many windmills do we need to prevent extreme drought?

$76 trillion?

 

[westwall]

You are willing to let you grandchildren suffer extreme drought.....water shortages.....extreme weather.....and rising sea levels because that renown scientist...Donald trump says climate change is fake? Really?

Ummm, that has been happening since time began. There is no impact from man. None.

 

[ding]

You are willing to let you grandchildren suffer extreme drought.....water shortages.....extreme weather.....and rising sea levels because that renown scientist...Donald trump says climate change is fake? Really?

Relax. Weather won't be what kills your grandchildren.

Correlation does not prove causation. The only correlation between temperature and CO2 on a planetary scale that is known with any certainty is from the time before the industrial revolution. Prior to the industrial revolution CO2 was a proxy for temperature. This is a fact that no one disputes. If you don't know why this correlation existed, just ask me. Since that time man's emissions have broken the correlation between temperature and CO2. We know this with 100% certainty because we are 2C cooler than in the past with 120 ppm more CO2.

Some scientists have attribute the recent warming trend to CO2 based upon model results. But other scientists come to opposite conclusions about the causes of recent climate change depending on which datasets they consider. For instance, the panels on the left lead to the conclusion that global temperature changes since the mid-19th century have been mostly due to human-caused emissions, especially carbon dioxide (CO2), i.e., the conclusion reached by the UN IPCC reports. In contrast, the panels on the right lead to the exact opposite conclusion, i.e., that the global temperature changes since the mid-19th century have been mostly due to natural cycles, chiefly long-term changes in the energy emitted by the Sun.

Both sets of panels are based on published scientific data, but each uses different datasets and assumptions. On the left, it is assumed that the available temperature records are unaffected by the urban heat island problem, and so all stations are used, whether urban or rural. On the right, only rural stations are used. Meanwhile, on the left, solar output is modeled using the low variability dataset that has been chosen for the IPCC’s upcoming (in 2021/2022) 6th Assessment Reports. This implies zero contribution from natural factors to the long-term warming. On the right, solar output is modeled using a high variability dataset used by the team in charge of NASA’s ACRIM sun-monitoring satellites. This implies that most, if not all, of the long-term temperature changes are due to natural factors.

Here is the link to the full paper.
ShieldSquare Captcha

The native state of our planet with its current land mass and ocean configuration is to cool. They have mistakenly correlated the recent warming trend to CO2 despite the geologic record being littered with warming and cooling trends that were not caused by CO2 or orbital forcing. Arguing that there can be no other causes for the recent warming trend is disingenuous. The geologic record is littered with examples. This is especially true ever since the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet 3 million years ago. Climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainties are hallmarks of our bipolar glaciated world which has different glaciation thresholds at each pole.

 

[JimH52]

Ummm, that has been happening since time began. There is no impact from man. None.

And where did you get your PhD in scientific theory?

 

[westwall]

And where did you get your PhD in scientific theory?

My PhD is in geology. I have studied the history of the Earth for longer than you have been alive.

 

[JimH52]

My PhD is in geology. I have studied the history of the Earth for longer than you have been alive.

Then go hug a rock.

 

[westwall]

Then go hug a rock.

I prefer petting them.

 

[ding]

And where did you get your PhD in scientific theory?

My PhD is in geology. I have studied the history of the Earth for longer than you have been alive.

I guess you didn't see that coming.

 

[ding]

I find it rather telling that most of the so called "deniers" have been educated in science and can discuss science in detail while most of the proponents of AGW don't have science educations and can't argue science in any detail.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

6 months ago the high temperature was 30F, today its over 80F!! But the AGW Cult tells us there's no way life as we know it can continue with a 1F increase.

The IPCC said it best, climate hysteria is about economic policy, not the environment

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I find it rather telling that most of the so called "deniers" have been educated in science and can discuss science in detail while most of the proponents of AGW don't have science educations and can't argue science in any detail.

They are unencumbered by science, they have consensus