Reagan/Bush Acted Without Congress To Shield Immigrants From Deportation

[Truman123]

Since Reagan's amnesty we have had to absorb another ten million illegal criminals. Some of the 9-11 terrorists were in the US illegally with expired visas and the freaking idiot in the White House pretended everything was fine even after the first attack on the WTC and the illegals were allowed to attend flight school. First tighten up the borders and then we will talk.

Can we chat over coffee then?

 

[Stephanie]

Reagan did not use Executive Orders to grant amnesty...

Well, actually, he did, but I will forgive your ignorance.

The amnesty act of 1986 was passed through the Republican controlled congress BEFORE the 1986 congressional elections. It was an obvious ploy to win Latino votes and it failed. Reagan signed the bill into law 2 days after the elections, but then Conservatives were pissed that the ploy didn't work, so they then tried to defund what they passed. Funny history, you really should learn it. Oh, and Reagan directly bypassed congress on legalizing illegal immigrants who fough in the US military in the Granada campaign. He did it with an executive order in February, 1987. Went right over Congress' heads, that rascal

ROFLMNAO ...

Where do you people get this crap?

That's that liberal Bs... We're talking about in a thread I have going on it

 

[SwimExpert]

Well, actually, he did, but I will forgive your ignorance.

The amnesty act of 1986 was passed through the Republican controlled congress BEFORE the 1986 congressional elections. It was an obvious ploy to win Latino votes and it failed. Reagan signed the bill into law 2 days after the elections, but then Conservatives were pissed that the ploy didn't work, so they then tried to defund what they passed. Funny history, you really should learn it.

So what? It's still a bill, passed by Congress.

Oh, and Reagan directly bypassed congress on legalizing illegal immigrants who fough in the US military in the Granada campaign. He did it with an executive order in February, 1987. Went right over Congress' heads, that rascal

You mean this Executive Order? Reagan didn't legalize anyone by Executive Order. The EO simply defines a statutory qualification.

That really was an epic fail on your part.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Well, actually, he did, but I will forgive your ignorance.

The amnesty act of 1986 was passed through the Republican controlled congress BEFORE the 1986 congressional elections. It was an obvious ploy to win Latino votes and it failed. Reagan signed the bill into law 2 days after the elections, but then Conservatives were pissed that the ploy didn't work, so they then tried to defund what they passed. Funny history, you really should learn it.

So what? It's still a bill, passed by Congress.

Oh, and Reagan directly bypassed congress on legalizing illegal immigrants who fough in the US military in the Granada campaign. He did it with an executive order in February, 1987. Went right over Congress' heads, that rascal

You mean this Executive Order? Reagan didn't legalize anyone by Executive Order. The EO simply defines a statutory qualification.

That really was an epic fail on your part.

Sure, it legalized them, very fast. It brought them to the top of the line. Nice try at being cute, it failed. Thank you for playing.

 

[SwimExpert]

Sure, it legalized them, very fast. It brought them to the top of the line. Nice try at being cute, it failed. Thank you for playing.

That is one of the most insanely stupid things I've read on this site. And there's alot of birthers around here. You don't have the first clue what you're talking about. Reagan did not legalize anyone with that Executive Order. Nobody was brought to "the top of the line." It was nothing more than an administrative action, particularly referencing this:

[S}ervice in the military, air or naval forces of the United States shall be proved by a duly authenticated certification from the executive department under which the applicant served or is serving, which shall state whether the applicant served honorably in an active-duty status during either World War I or during a period beginning September 1, 1939, and ending December 31, 1946, or during a period beginning June 25, 1950, and ending July 1, 1955, or during a period beginning February 28, 1961, and ending on a date designated by the President by Executive order as the date of termination of the Vietnam hostilities, or thereafter during any other period which the President by Executive order shall designate as a period in which Armed Forces of the United States are or were engaged in military operations involving armed conflict with a hostile foreign force, and was separated from such service under honorable conditions.

Reagan was acting explicitly within statutory prescriptions of a law that was created by Congress. Also, what you either are too stupid to understand, or are too dishonest to admit, is that these were applications for naturalization by legal aliens, following the legally prescribed avenues to citizenship.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Sure, it legalized them, very fast. It brought them to the top of the line. Nice try at being cute, it failed. Thank you for playing.

That is one of the most insanely stupid things I've read on this site. And there's alot of birthers around here. You don't have the first clue what you're talking about. Reagan did not legalize anyone with that Executive Order. Nobody was brought to "the top of the line." It was nothing more than an administrative action, particularly referencing this:

[S}ervice in the military, air or naval forces of the United States shall be proved by a duly authenticated certification from the executive department under which the applicant served or is serving, which shall state whether the applicant served honorably in an active-duty status during either World War I or during a period beginning September 1, 1939, and ending December 31, 1946, or during a period beginning June 25, 1950, and ending July 1, 1955, or during a period beginning February 28, 1961, and ending on a date designated by the President by Executive order as the date of termination of the Vietnam hostilities, or thereafter during any other period which the President by Executive order shall designate as a period in which Armed Forces of the United States are or were engaged in military operations involving armed conflict with a hostile foreign force, and was separated from such service under honorable conditions.

Reagan was acting explicitly within statutory prescriptions of a law that was created by Congress. Also, what you either are too stupid to understand, or are too dishonest to admit, is that these were applications for naturalization by legal aliens, following the legally prescribed avenues to citizenship.

Tsk, tsk, you know not what you write, but you scream a lot.

Executive Orders

"Executive Order 12582--Naturalization requirements exceptions for aliens and non-citizen nationals of the United States who served in the Grenada campaign

Source: The provisions of Executive Order 12582 of Feb. 2, 1987, appear at 52 FR 3395, 3 CFR, 1987 Comp., p. 201, unless otherwise noted.

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including Section 1440 of Title 8, United States Code, and in order to provide expedited naturalization for aliens and non-citizens who served in the Armed Forces in the Grenada campaign, it is hereby ordered as follows:

For the purpose of determining qualification for the exceptions from the usual requirements for naturalization, the period of Grenada military operations in which the Armed Forces of the United States were engaged in armed conflict with a hostile foreign force commenced on October 25, 1983, and terminated on November 2, 1983. Those persons serving honorably in active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States during this period, in the Grenada campaign, are eligible for naturalization in accordance with the statutory exceptions to the naturalization requirements, as provided in Section 1440(b) of Title 8, United States Code. Qualifying active-duty service includes service conducted, during this period, on the islands of Grenada, Carriacou, Green Hog, and those islands adjacent to Grenada in the Atlantic Seaboard where such service was in direct support of the military operations in Grenada. Qualifying active-duty service during this period also includes service conducted in the air space above Grenada, in the adjacent seas where operations were conducted, and at the Grantly Adams International Airport in Barbados."

That is called "front of the line", just as I described it. That is what the word "expedited" means.

Care to try again, or are you going to call this bunk?

Because it is not, it is directly from the national archives and was signed as an EO on Feb. 2, 1987, by then Pres. Reagan.

Thank you for playing.

 

[SwimExpert]

1. What part of legal alien do you not understand?

2. Do you not see that little part about "Section 1440(b) of Title 8, United States Code"?

 

[Statistikhengst]

1. What part of legal alien do you not understand?

2. Do you not see that little part about "Section 1440(b) of Title 8, United States Code"?

Which part of "non-citizens" did you not understand, douchebag?

 

[SwimExpert]

1. What part of legal alien do you not understand?

2. Do you not see that little part about "Section 1440(b) of Title 8, United States Code"?

Which part of "non-citizens" did you not understand, douchebag?

Ah, I see. Deflections and red herrings. You continue to insist that Reagan used Executive Order to legalize illegal immigrants. That, of course, is false. You are unable to produce any evidence thereof. All you have provided is an Order regarding the processing of citizenship applications for legal aliens. When attention is drawn to your lapse, you focus on an entirely different matter, by pointing out that the non citizens are non citizens. Gee, whodathunk?

Amnesty is the legalization of illegal aliens. It has nothing to do with granting them citizenship. Just making their presence legal. It may shock you to learn this, but it's possible for a non citizen immigrant to be in the US legally. Processing citizenship applications for legal aliens is not granting amnesty. Issuing Executive Orders in accordance with explicit statutorily granted authority is not bypassing Congress.

 

[Mertex]

already posted but what does that have to do with Obambam?

Can you people come up and live in the here and NOW

pathetic

It's called being a hypocrite, Stephanie. Something you know a great deal about being.

Steph is proverbial parrot....keeps repeating the same trite expressions over and over, even when her own party screws her over.

 

[JakeStarkey]

because she is paid to do so

 

[Kosh]

because she is paid to do so

Man the irony impaired far left posts today must be hitting some type of new record..

 

[Zoom-boing]

Amnesty is wrong no matter which president does it. You'd think that the current president would be able to see how amnesty solved nothing and wouldn't be moving forward with it. You'd think.

 

[Mertex]

Amnesty is wrong no matter which president does it. You'd think that the current president would be able to see how amnesty solved nothing and wouldn't be moving forward with it. You'd think.

The opposite of amnesty is inhumane. But, we already know how inhumane most Republicans are, yet they pose as the "compassionate conservatives" - such hypocrites.

 

[Darkwind]

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's anticipated order that would shield millions of immigrants now living illegally in the U.S. from deportation is not without precedent.

Two of the last three Republican presidents — Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush — did the same thing in extending amnesty to family members who were not covered by the last major overhaul of immigration law in 1986.

There was no political explosion then comparable to the one Republicans are threatening now.

A tea party-influenced GOP is poised to erupt if and when Obama follows through on his promise. He wants to extend protection from deportation to millions of immigrant parents and spouses of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, and expand his 2-year-old program that shields immigrants brought illegally to this country as children.

"The audacity of this president to think he can completely destroy the rule of law with the stroke of a pen is unfathomable to me," said GOP Rep. Steve King of Iowa, an outspoken opponent of relaxing U.S. immigration law. "It is unconstitutional, it is cynical, and it violates the will of the American people."

Such strong feelings are common among congressional Republicans. GOP leaders warn that an executive order from Obama would "poison the well" and severely damage Republicans' willingness to work with the president during his final two years in office.

Some Republicans have even raised the possibility of impeachment.

More: Reagan, Bush Also Acted Without Congress To Shield Immigrants From Deportation

Yeah, but it's different when a black man wants to do it. It just is...somehow...

it has nothing to do with his color even though you want it to be........its called learning from the last time we did this.....AND there was lots of flak from the citizens last time this happened....so stick your color bullshit up your ass Chief.....

As usual, the right shows their ass by having to be nasty. As for learning....you can't even say that.....that impeachment of Clinton....how did that work for you?

Calling people racists in the OP is considered pleasant conversation by you?

 

[JakeStarkey]

because she is paid to do so

Man the irony impaired far left posts today must be hitting some type of new record..

I have never been paid to post anywhere, but considering the level of Steph's postings while she gets paid, the paymasters would even hire a bot like you, Kosh.

 

[Darkwind]

Amnesty is wrong no matter which president does it. You'd think that the current president would be able to see how amnesty solved nothing and wouldn't be moving forward with it. You'd think.

The opposite of amnesty is inhumane. But, we already know how inhumane most Republicans are, yet they pose as the "compassionate conservatives" - such hypocrites.

That is not true at all. Pure hyperbole. Simply having a different solution is not intentional cruelty nor is it inhumane. No more than applying the law to any law breaker.

 

[Kosh]

because she is paid to do so

Man the irony impaired far left posts today must be hitting some type of new record..

I have never been paid to post anywhere, but considering the level of Steph's postings while she gets paid, the paymasters would even hire a bot like you, Kosh.

Oh my the person shooting for the most posts in a month here is posting such stuff.

My the far left irony impairment is really bad, need to talk to their programmers about this..

At the time of this posting your were #2 on the leader board and I did not stephs name anywhere on that board..

 

[Zoom-boing]

Amnesty is wrong no matter which president does it. You'd think that the current president would be able to see how amnesty solved nothing and wouldn't be moving forward with it. You'd think.

The opposite of amnesty is inhumane. But, we already know how inhumane most Republicans are, yet they pose as the "compassionate conservatives" - such hypocrites.

Oh? Securing the border, fining/jailing those who employee illegals, putting illegals to the back the line and having them pay fines for being here illegally is inhumane? yeah, I suppose in a leftist's head that's inhumane.

 

[Zoom-boing]

If this was already posted, too bad because it's worthy repeating.

"
President Obama once declared that an influx of illegal immigrants will harm “the wages of blue-collar Americans” and “put strains on an already overburdened safety net.”

“[T]here’s no denying that many blacks share the same anxieties as many whites about the wave of illegal immigration flooding our Southern border—a sense that what’s happening now is fundamentally different from what has gone on before,” then-Senator Obama wrote in his 2006 autobiography, “The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.”

”Not all these fears are irrational,” he wrote.

“The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century,” Obama noted. “If this huge influx of mostly low-skill workers provides some benefits to the economy as a whole—especially by keeping our workforce young, in contrast to an increasingly geriatric Europe and Japan—it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net.”

If these feel like the words of one of Obama’s opponents, it’s because they’re the exact argument that the president’s critics have been making as he now rushes to announce a sweeping executive order that would give work permits to millions of illegal immigrants in the country."

Obama Illegal Immigration Hurts Blue-Collar Americans The Daily Caller