Rasmussen: Newt 45 Obama 43

[G.T.]

Dont talk about my art as though you've got any of your own you personally have the balls to put out there and compare.

Gt is ill. Fact.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgEjbBJ6U8&feature=related]GT (Genius Tracks) - On an Island - YouTube[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsahsEv_UdU&feature=related]GT (Genius Tracks) - Ease Off - YouTube[/ame]

 

[MarcATL]

So that's what you do for a living...make beats G.T.?

 

[jillian]

Did I not tell you that, while I understand their intent, the fact that it is GOOD art means it can be interpreted many ways.

Your posts are leading me to believe your own art to be very lacking in this area since you can't seem to grasp the concept that great art will have different meanings to different people when they interpret it regardless of the intent of the artist.

You keep going in circles about it, either shit or get off the pot already.

actually, i'd suggest that if the artist tells you what his work means and you "interpret" it in a way that it isn't intended to be interpreted, then you are either wrong and imposing something on the art that isn't there; or the artist was not successful in his art.

 

[G.T.]

So that's what you do for a living...make beats G.T.?

I'm the vocalist and the writer, not the instrumentalist.

It's not my living.

 

[MarcATL]

So that's what you do for a living...make beats G.T.?

I'm the vocalist and the writer, not the instrumentalist.

It's not my living.

Interesting.

 

[G.T.]

yezzur.

here's one i just started......very dark and rock-like. just a draft, not properly mixed, not fully recorded yet, etc etc

Kylies poopy diaper by GeniusTracks on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

 

[Lakhota]

President Obama vs. Republican Candidates

General Election: Gingrich vs. Obama
**************************************
RCP Average (11/8 - 11/29) - Obama +5.7
Obama (D) 48.7
Gingrich (R) 43.0

Rasmussen Reports1 (11/28 - 11/29) - Gingrich +2
Obama (D) 43
Gingrich (R) 45

Quinnipiac (11/14 - 11/20) - Obama +9
Obama (D) 49
Gingrich (R) 40

FOX News (11/13 - 11/15) - Obama +5
Obama (D) 46
Gingrich (R) 41

CNN/Opinion Research (11/11 - 11/13) - Obama +8
Obama (D) 53
Gingrich (R) 45

Pew Research (11/9 - 11/14) - Obama +12
Obama (D) 54
Gingrich (R) 42

PPP (D) (11/10 - 11/13) - Obama +6
Obama (D) 49
Gingrich (R) 43

McClatchy/Marist (11/8 - 11/10) - Obama +2
Obama (D) 47
Gingrich (R) 45

RealClearPolitics - President Obama vs. Republican Candidates

 

[Sky Dancer]

President Obama will be re-elected. He's kept his campaign promises. He said he would enact health care and he did. By 2014, we will all have access to health care.
He said he would get us out of Iraq and that is going to happen within months. He said he would end "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell" and he did just that.
President Obama saved the auto industry and brought it back from the brink by making loans possible. He has helped make college more affordable. He has extended or made seventeen small business tax cuts. He made the tough decison to raid the Osama Bin Laden compound in Pakistan and got Osama.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If you knew much about the band, it's no question in any part what they're referring to, duke.

When they say "god" theyre very specifically talking about doing away with the pledge of allegiance because it's Religious and hypocrtical to a Religion-free based Government.

The "system" they're referring to throughout the whole song is Capitalism. Their Biography makes tyhat abundantly clear.

What Weathermen do you think they're referring to? (a-hem - Ayers).

And by seeing through the red white and blue disguise, and European references ad nauseum, again look into their biography. They're referring to the Class system - a.k.a. talking about the Rich owning the Country while pretending it's Free - - - - - and wanting to do away with that fact.



In the context of who the band is, this can't get any clearer that it's nothing at all consistent with the Tea Party, and literally everything to do with OWS.

And since when is anyone required to interpret words "in the context of who" the author is? Hell, our Constitution doesn't even get that privilege, so why should some two-bit song?

Since people respect other people's original art & don't try to twist it into their own distorted meaning of it, which is disrespectful. Not that hard.

Oh, horseshit. What kind of juvenile fantasy world are YOU inhabiting? People take their own meaning away from art all the time. Hell, they're EXPECTED to. Art is supposed to speak to others. If it was just supposed to be about the artist and HIS personal meaning and HIS interpretation, they wouldn't call it art; they'd call it masturbating.

Ever hear the Michael Bolton song, "When I'm Back On My Feet Again"? It's a song about getting over a painful relationship break-up. It's also the unofficial theme song for Alcoholics Anonymous. Kelly Clarkson's "Because Of You" is bellowed by people after bad relationships all the time, but it sounds to me more like she's talking about a child having been warped by a parent who was bitter after a divorce. "American Pie" is about the death of Buddy Holly and other rock stars in a plane crash, but I guarantee you you can find numerous places right here on the Internet with people arguing about the meaning of it.

There's nothing disrespectful about letting a piece of art speak to you and resonate with your heart and your feelings and experiences. It's what you're SUPPOSED to do, even if the chord it strikes with you isn't the one it struck with the artist.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It is art and open to interpretation. Thats what good art does, it is flexible enough to allow for it to be applied across differing situations

For example

"Europe ain't my rope to swing on
Can't learn a thing from it
Yet we hang from it
Gotta get it, gotta get it together then
Like the motherfuckin' weathermen
To expose and close the doors on those who try
To strangle and mangle the truth"

Now conservatives could hear that part and say "Yeah we don't want to be like socialist europe because it sucks yet we are trying to immitate it to our own demise. We better get our shit together and expose the truth of those who would lie to us and tell us the european model is best"

See......you want another?

"The teacher stands in front of the class
But the lesson plan he can't recall
The student's eyes don't perceive the lies
Bouning off every ******* wall
His composure is well kept
I guess he fears playing the fool
The complacent students sit and listen to some of that
Bullshit that he learned in school"

now conservatives could see that section and say "Hell Yes" the liberalism lies being force fed to our kids in class is such bullshit and lies but the students are too innocent and inexperienced to know this"


You can't deny that, as art, that song can be interpreted any way people listening want to. Maybe your not a big art guy though

You can interpret it any way you want, but the fact that it has a known meaning and the Artist has a known Agenda and is a Political Activist - makes your interpretation wrong. That's all - it's pretty simple.

And I'm likely bigger into art than you are, being I'm an artist.

Most art that's open to interpretation is abstract art. This isn't abstract, it's pointed political posturing. It's open for interpretation only by proxy of being public words - but the meaning is specific to the cause of the artist so your "Conservative" or whatever interpretation is the exact opposite of what it means ACCORDING TO THE WRITER.

For an artist you are having a hard time grasping the concept that good art trancends intention and resists being put into a small interpretive box.

I get the distinct impression that the "artist" here has never actually sold anything, with such a narrow, possessive view of the subject.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You can interpret it any way you want, but the fact that it has a known meaning and the Artist has a known Agenda and is a Political Activist - makes your interpretation wrong. That's all - it's pretty simple.

And I'm likely bigger into art than you are, being I'm an artist.

Most art that's open to interpretation is abstract art. This isn't abstract, it's pointed political posturing. It's open for interpretation only by proxy of being public words - but the meaning is specific to the cause of the artist so your "Conservative" or whatever interpretation is the exact opposite of what it means ACCORDING TO THE WRITER.

For an artist you are having a hard time grasping the concept that good art trancends intention and resists being put into a small interpretive box.

No, you're wrong. This is a specific example of a song written as a pointed political message - it's not a song meant to transcend intent but to have a very pointed intent - which, in case you missed it - INTENT is why the band even sings.

Jesus christ - if you want to have Conservative music or music you can interpret in a conservative way b/c it's "vague," go find it. But don't try taking a very Anti-Capitalist anti-Corporate band's lyrics and try twisting them in such a distorted way. That's the antithesis of THEIR art, and nothing a fan of theirs would do.

When "DMX" says "another dick in the mudd, nigga what" he's talking about murder, not a guy's dick in the ass. There's abstract, and there's pointed. You have trouble seeing the difference.

It's very rare for a song to be written WITHOUT a specific message. How do you write a song that's not about anything? Doesn't make it any less available for other people to imprint their own meanings onto.

 

[The T]

For an artist you are having a hard time grasping the concept that good art trancends intention and resists being put into a small interpretive box.

No, you're wrong. This is a specific example of a song written as a pointed political message - it's not a song meant to transcend intent but to have a very pointed intent - which, in case you missed it - INTENT is why the band even sings.

Jesus christ - if you want to have Conservative music or music you can interpret in a conservative way b/c it's "vague," go find it. But don't try taking a very Anti-Capitalist anti-Corporate band's lyrics and try twisting them in such a distorted way. That's the antithesis of THEIR art, and nothing a fan of theirs would do.

When "DMX" says "another dick in the mudd, nigga what" he's talking about murder, not a guy's dick in the ass. There's abstract, and there's pointed. You have trouble seeing the difference.

It's very rare for a song to be written WITHOUT a specific message. How do you write a song that's not about anything? Doesn't make it any less available for other people to imprint their own meanings onto.

Unless you happen to be Sienfeld...then you can have a program about nothing.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No, you're wrong. This is a specific example of a song written as a pointed political message - it's not a song meant to transcend intent but to have a very pointed intent - which, in case you missed it - INTENT is why the band even sings.

Jesus christ - if you want to have Conservative music or music you can interpret in a conservative way b/c it's "vague," go find it. But don't try taking a very Anti-Capitalist anti-Corporate band's lyrics and try twisting them in such a distorted way. That's the antithesis of THEIR art, and nothing a fan of theirs would do.

When "DMX" says "another dick in the mudd, nigga what" he's talking about murder, not a guy's dick in the ass. There's abstract, and there's pointed. You have trouble seeing the difference.

It's very rare for a song to be written WITHOUT a specific message. How do you write a song that's not about anything? Doesn't make it any less available for other people to imprint their own meanings onto.

Unless you happen to be Sienfeld...then you can have a program about nothing.

And if you believe that tag line, I have a bridge to sell you.

However, it is useful to point out that people in the viewing audience still got all kinds of things out of "Seinfeld" episodes that the writers and actors never intended to put in.

Art that is so flat and one-dimensional that you can only see what the artist was thinking isn't art. It's kitsch; or worse, it's the pictures your kid does in kindergarten and brings home to show you.

 

[The T]

It's very rare for a song to be written WITHOUT a specific message. How do you write a song that's not about anything? Doesn't make it any less available for other people to imprint their own meanings onto.

Unless you happen to be Sienfeld...then you can have a program about nothing.

And if you believe that tag line, I have a bridge to sell you.

However, it is useful to point out that people in the viewing audience still got all kinds of things out of "Seinfeld" episodes that the writers and actors never intended to put in.

Art that is so flat and one-dimensional that you can only see what the artist was thinking isn't art. It's kitsch; or worse, it's the pictures your kid does in kindergarten and brings home to show you.

And the point. (Was trying to invoke a little levity to your point...but bombed)...c'est la vie...

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

For an artist you are having a hard time grasping the concept that good art trancends intention and resists being put into a small interpretive box.

No, you're wrong. This is a specific example of a song written as a pointed political message - it's not a song meant to transcend intent but to have a very pointed intent - which, in case you missed it - INTENT is why the band even sings.

Jesus christ - if you want to have Conservative music or music you can interpret in a conservative way b/c it's "vague," go find it. But don't try taking a very Anti-Capitalist anti-Corporate band's lyrics and try twisting them in such a distorted way. That's the antithesis of THEIR art, and nothing a fan of theirs would do.

When "DMX" says "another dick in the mudd, nigga what" he's talking about murder, not a guy's dick in the ass. There's abstract, and there's pointed. You have trouble seeing the difference.

It's very rare for a song to be written WITHOUT a specific message. How do you write a song that's not about anything? Doesn't make it any less available for other people to imprint their own meanings onto.

That's what I love about good music and great lyrics, they can be applied across situations.

I love the lack of openmindedness by some of the "liberals" who responded to my comments, you guys/girls really should open your minds a bit more.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

A little bit about Newt

Newt Gingrich served as a Member of Congress for 20 years and as Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1995-1999.
He is widely recognized as the chief architect of the Republican Contract with America and the key strategist and leader behind the 1994 Republican victory, which created the first GOP majority in Congress in 40 years, and the 1996 and 1998 victories that retained that majority for the first time in 74 years.
The Globalist | Biography of Newt Gingrich

Do we really want another Republican Contract with America?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

A little bit about Newt

Newt Gingrich served as a Member of Congress for 20 years and as Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1995-1999.
He is widely recognized as the chief architect of the Republican Contract with America and the key strategist and leader behind the 1994 Republican victory, which created the first GOP majority in Congress in 40 years, and the 1996 and 1998 victories that retained that majority for the first time in 74 years.
The Globalist | Biography of Newt Gingrich

Do we really want another Republican Contract with America?

The last one worked out pretty good...we ended up with balanced budget, job growth, and welfare reform under newt's congressional leadership and clinton's executive decision making.

You don't think Boehner/Reids congressional leadership and Newts potential to be the executive decision maker holds the same promise?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

A little bit about Newt

Newt Gingrich served as a Member of Congress for 20 years and as Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1995-1999.
He is widely recognized as the chief architect of the Republican Contract with America and the key strategist and leader behind the 1994 Republican victory, which created the first GOP majority in Congress in 40 years, and the 1996 and 1998 victories that retained that majority for the first time in 74 years.
The Globalist | Biography of Newt Gingrich

Do we really want another Republican Contract with America?

The last one worked out pretty good...we ended up with balanced budget, job growth, and welfare reform under newt's congressional leadership and clinton's executive decision making.

You don't think Boehner/Reids congressional leadership and Newts potential to be the executive decision maker holds the same promise?

The GOP became drunk on power and became what they went to get rid of in the government.

 

[The T]

A little bit about Newt

Newt Gingrich served as a Member of Congress for 20 years and as Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1995-1999.
He is widely recognized as the chief architect of the Republican Contract with America and the key strategist and leader behind the 1994 Republican victory, which created the first GOP majority in Congress in 40 years, and the 1996 and 1998 victories that retained that majority for the first time in 74 years.
The Globalist | Biography of Newt Gingrich

Do we really want another Republican Contract with America?

The last one worked out pretty good...we ended up with balanced budget, job growth, and welfare reform under newt's congressional leadership and clinton's executive decision making.

You don't think Boehner/Reids congressional leadership and Newts potential to be the executive decision maker holds the same promise?

The GOP became drunk on power and became what they went to get rid of in the government.

Any wonder why the Republican Blue-Bloods reject the TEA Party and are trying to claim the mantle of Conservatism?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The last one worked out pretty good...we ended up with balanced budget, job growth, and welfare reform under newt's congressional leadership and clinton's executive decision making.

You don't think Boehner/Reids congressional leadership and Newts potential to be the executive decision maker holds the same promise?

The GOP became drunk on power and became what they went to get rid of in the government.

Any wonder why the Republican Blue-Bloods reject the TEA Party and are trying to claim the mantle of Conservatism?

true so very true.