Rank these 80's-90's QB's based on their careers

[Mr. Friscus]

In no particular order

• Joe Montana
• Steve Young
• John Elway
• Dan Marino
• Jim Kelly
• Troy Aikman
• Brett Favre

 

[shockedcanadian]

In no particular order

• Joe Montana
• Steve Young
• John Elway
• Dan Marino
• Jim Kelly
• Troy Aikman
• Brett Favre

The list as you have it is fairly accurate in ascending order except I am big on rings so I would be forced to. place Kelly and Marino on the bottom even though one had a perfect season/the TD record and the other four straight SB appearances. It would also be a tough choice would for third between Aikman and Elway.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

The list as you have it is fairly accurate in ascending order except I am big on rings so I would be forced to. place Kelly and Marino on the bottom even though one had a perfect season/the TD record and the other four straight SB appearances. I'd also the tough choice would be for third between Aikman and Elway.

I find "rings" to be a cliche, simplistic reply.

a QB can be significantly superior to another yet not win a ring because they have less weapons or a bad defense.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I find "rings" to be a cliche, simplistic reply.

a QB can be significantly superior to another yet not win a ring because they have less weapons or a bad defense.

Yep. Winners find a way to win though, that's my frame of mind. There are many great even dominant players in many team sports who don't lead their team to a championsip, it's unfortunate. Very few are spoken of as the GOATs though, right? Thus, I am.forced to choose accordingly. Who would you place below Kelly and Marino?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Yep. Winners find a way to win though, that's my frame of mind. There are many great even dominant players in many team sports who don't lead their team to a championsip, it's unfortunate. Very few are spoken of as the GOATs though, right? Thus, I am.forced to choose accordingly. Who would you place below Kelly and Marino?

There's a ton to take into consideration when declaring QB's over the other, it takes a lot of research for major proclamations.

I've done considerable "Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady" research and discussion... and I maintain that while Brady has more rings, Peyton Manning was the superior QB who could move an offense and put points on the board. An example is that throughout their careers Brady averaged the 7th best defense per scoring against his team while Manning averaged the 17th, thus, Brady routinely had to do less to win. Manning had 5 MVP's (should have had 6) while Brady certainly had his years but almost never was the most high-octane QB in the league.

I'm not saying rings mean nothing, but they're a team stat, not a QB stat. This isn't the NBA where a player can D-up and have any sort of control over what the other offense does.

As far as the list, without doing an analysis, there are a few factors. Steve Young was dominant but not for what is considered a long period of time, he led the reighns in SF for like 7-8 years with 1 SB, 2 MVP's and 3 1st team All-Pro nods.

My list of these players?

1. Joe Montana
2. Dan Marino
3. Steve Young
4. John Elway/Brett Favre (tie)
5. Troy Aikman

 

[Couchpotato]

In no particular order

• Joe Montana
• Steve Young
• John Elway
• Dan Marino
• Jim Kelly
• Troy Aikman
• Brett Favre

Montana
Elway
Favre
Young
Kelly
Marino
Aikman

 

[roderick]

Yep. Winners find a way to win though, that's my frame of mind. There are many great even dominant players in many team sports who don't lead their team to a championsip, it's unfortunate. Very few are spoken of as the GOATs though, right? Thus, I am.forced to choose accordingly. Who would you place below Kelly and Marino?

I agree. That includes switching to a team that has a winning formula.

 

[roderick]

Number one is Montana for 4 Super Bowl titles.

Second is Aikman with 3 titles.

 

[Couchpotato]

Number one is Montana for 4 Super Bowl titles.

Second is Aikman with 3 titles.

Aikman wasn't nearly as talented as the other QB's on this list he just played on a ridiculously talented team. If it's just a ring count, then what's there to talk about?

 

[Couchpotato]

Yep. Winners find a way to win though, that's my frame of mind. There are many great even dominant players in many team sports who don't lead their team to a championsip, it's unfortunate. Very few are spoken of as the GOATs though, right? Thus, I am.forced to choose accordingly. Who would you place below Kelly and Marino?

Is Trent Dilfer a better QB than Dan Marino?

 

[shockedcanadian]

Is Trent Dilfer a better QB than Dan Marino?

Obviously it is relative to overall performance. Marino is far better than most QBs but we are comparing him to the best of his era.

 

[Couchpotato]

There's a ton to take into consideration when declaring QB's over the other, it takes a lot of research for major proclamations.

I've done considerable "Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady" research and discussion... and I maintain that while Brady has more rings, Peyton Manning was the superior QB who could move an offense and put points on the board. An example is that throughout their careers Brady averaged the 7th best defense per scoring against his team while Manning averaged the 17th, thus, Brady routinely had to do less to win. Manning had 5 MVP's (should have had 6) while Brady certainly had his years but almost never was the most high-octane QB in the league.

The Colts also prioritized offense over defense which is the opposite of what NE did. Manning had far better weapons the majority of this career than Brady did. Once Brady got his big time WR they didn't win SB's anymore until after he was gone.

I'm not saying rings mean nothing, but they're a team stat, not a QB stat. This isn't the NBA where a player can D-up and have any sort of control over what the other offense does.

Agreed. A single player cant just take over a game in the NFL like in the NBA either.

As far as the list, without doing an analysis, there are a few factors. Steve Young was dominant but not for what is considered a long period of time, he led the reighns in SF for like 7-8 years with 1 SB, 2 MVP's and 3 1st team All-Pro nods.

Isn't it less impressive given he was basically a plug and play on an already dominate championship team?

My list of these players?

1. Joe Montana
2. Dan Marino
3. Steve Young
4. John Elway/Brett Favre (tie)
5. Troy Aikman

Not sure how you get Marino to 2 with the lack of PO success he had.

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That's a comparison of Marino to Elway.

Marino had a significant edge in stats for sure, but he's got 0 titles to Elway's 2. If I recall correctly I think Marino had a much better WR corps than did Elway and he certainly played in a much friendly pass environment at home than Elway did.

 

[Couchpotato]

Obviously it is relative to overall performance. Marino is far better than most QBs but we are comparing him to the best of his era.

But you said rings mean more. Marino has vastly better stats than Aikman.

 

[shockedcanadian]

But you said rings mean more. Marino has vastly better stats than Aikman.

I am suggesting that rings hold more weight than other stats, especially for QBs who have perhaps the most individual control over the outcome of a game than any other position in team sports except for perhaps an MLB pitcher.

Here is the most extreme example. Brady left the only team and coach he ever played for, in his first season in TB he took a 7-9 team and not only brought them to the post-season but he won the S.B.

Could any other of his QB peers do the same?

 

[Couchpotato]

I am suggesting that rings hold more weight than other stats, especially for QBs who have perhaps the most individual control over the outcome of a game than any other position in team sports except for perhaps an MLB pitcher.

Here is the most extreme example. Brady left the only team and coach he ever played for, in his first season in TB he took a 7-9 team and not only brought them to the post-season but he won the S.B.

Could any other of his QB peers do the same?

Manning did essentially the same thing with the Broncos. 8-8 the year before he got there then PO's, SB (loss), PO's, SB win. Beating Brady twice in the AFC Champ game. And TB did more than just upgrade the QB position that year.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Yep. Winners find a way to win though, that's my frame of mind. There are many great even dominant players in many team sports who don't lead their team to a championsip, it's unfortunate. Very few are spoken of as the GOATs though, right? Thus, I am.forced to choose accordingly. Who would you place below Kelly and Marino?

There's a ton to take into consideration when declaring QB's over the other, it takes a lot of research for major proclamations.

I've done considerable "Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady" research and discussion... and I maintain that while Brady has more rings, Peyton Manning was the superior QB who could move an offense and put points on the board. An example is that throughout their careers Brady averaged the 7th best defense per scoring against his team while Manning averaged the 17th, thus, Brady routinely had to do less to win. Manning had 5 MVP's (should have had 6) while Brady certainly had his years but almost never was the most high-octane QB in the league.

I'm not saying rings mean nothing, but they're a team stat, not a QB stat. This isn't the NBA where a player can D-up and have any sort of control over what the other offense does.

As far as the list, without doing an analysis, there are a few factors. Steve Young was dominant but not for what is considered a long period of time, he led the reighns in SF for like 7-8 years with 1 SB, 2 MVP's and 3 1st team All-Pro nods.

My list of these players?

1. Joe Montana
2. Dan Marino
3. Steve Young
4. John Elway/Brett Favre (tie)
5. Troy Aikman

excellent points on Manning vs Brady,Manning never had a defense the majority of his career with the colts and always had to score 30 plus points a game and play catch up.Brady never had to worry about that always having a very good defense to carry him.

Manning was easily the better quarterback.