Raising to $15 minimum wage means more Federal TAX revenue!!!

[kaz]

ts because companies always do what is right and pay everyone what they are worth.

No, simpleton. Companies pay people what they are worth because of free markets. Overpay, you lose money, underpay, you lose your employee because they have a better opportunity and take it. Stop being such an idiotic dick, this has been explained to you a thousand times. You are a socialist, so you oppose free markets, but address the point and and stop being such a dick and just repeating your idiotic lie. Nobody thinks companies pay people anything because they want to. Free labor markets force them to. That is the point, not your idiotic talking point that no one thinks. Free markets mean that free employees take jobs with free companies at market wages. Only government can skew that and that's because only government can use force.

And where are those good paying other opportunities? If you switch from one fast food joint to another, or hey maybe a coffee shop. Or a retail store. Yes sir big earning potential in those jobs isn't there?

(It's) not like when you could apply for and get some manufacturing job making something the world or the USA needed and get paid a wage you could live and raise a family on.

So I know you repugs are real big on getting that better paying job somewhere. And you all even do a lot of talking about "job creation".

To bad you all are delusional about one and never do anything about the other.

You don't even know I'm not a repug, I'm a libertarian. We're a lot worse by the way, we say the same things about smaller government. The difference is we mean it.

There are lots of jobs and lots of employers. They call it "work" for a reason...

 

[kaz]

And the Company creates the market. Are you really this stupid?

strawman, I never said that.

The Company creates the market. The free market (aka the Companies) will determine the wages.

For Example: I have water and the free market (ME) determines how much I can charge. I charge $13 dollars for a cup. Another guy COULD offer water for cheaper lets say $10. He'll get more business than I would depending on a number of factors like location, hours of operation etc. Some other guy offers water for 2 dollars but hes 2 miles away and yells at people.

What you're saying is that every example is charging the "market price" simply because someone is buying it. If all three got together and said they agreed to charge everyone $11 for water now simply because it happens the $11 is the "market". Controlled by the business. No one has to buy my $11 water but everyone else including the guy 2 miles out charges the same thing.

Then someone else comes in and starts charging $10 and starts a price war.

How does any of this help a worker or employee? It doesnt. You believe helping the company will create jobs based on nothing more than "trust me, it'll happen"

Regan always said trust but verify. You're missing part of that belief system

That's because you don't understand free markets. In free markets, employees take the best paying job they are qualified for, best as defined by them. Companies hire the best employee they can at the cheapest price that fits their needs.

You keep addressing "companies," I am not arguing companies, I am arguing free markets.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yea, but lots get hired in at minimum wage. SO lets see. You want the company to hire at the "market" wage. And they (the company) sets the market. OK. So the company finds an employee who will do for 5 bucks an hour what the company used to pay 8. bucks an hour to get done. IF they get a decent employee for 5 bucks, then they can give him/her a big ass raise to 6 bucks an hour.

Where was the upside for the low wage employee?

I can see the upside for the company.

I'm missing it for the working guy. Point it out to me.

so that kid can get a job, last .I read black teenage UE is at a unheard of 46%. I think someone told me Canada is trying a two teir Minimum Wage. One for teens one for Adults

WTF are you talking about? Are you drinking already? Or is your comprehension having an off day? Re read what I wrote. Hell, you might of been replying to some one else.

But I'll pretend. Why would I hire a kid or any person for a job that I already have filled or don't need to hire for. Just because I could pay 5 bucks instead of 7.25?

Demand for a companies goods or services creates jobs. Not lower hourly wages.

If Obama came out today and declared that ALL hourly wage earners had to take a pay cut of 2 dollars an hour, two questions;

how would that help the hourly worker?

And how would that create more demand?

Hourly wages just went down by hundreds of millions of dollars for the companies.
You would be overjoyed at Obama wouldn't you.

I just got off of work and your insults are boring

Do the simple math a small business owner could afforrd to hire an extra employee. Or two with no minimum wage. The UE would go down that employee gets skills and move on to a new job. I don't hire no one that has been out of work for over a year. It just tells me they are a lazy bum.

 

[Wyatt earp]

And btw way are MW at the company I am now a production manager at Is $12 bucks an hour in South Carolina. And I just hire people who had a steady job history. No big gaps. A month here two months here fine.... but a year with out a job? They have better been in Jail or hell no...