Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

[danielpalos]

The premise is sound to the extent we would not be wasting our Tax monies on boondoggles or generational forms of theft such as our public policies which constitute public use, if the especially the wealthiest were burdened with wartime Tax rates for any wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror.

 

[Flash]

How old are you? Everything you post suggest extreme naivety, notwithstanding your actual chronological age, and it is nothing more than an echo of posts by the callous conservative crowd.

Read some books, open your eyes and try to think outside the box in which you have sequestered yourself.

Understanding the importance of fiscal responsibility and understanding that it is absolutely wrong for the government to take money from the people that earn and give it to the people that didn't earn it is not naivety. Only you confused Libtards think that.

You Libtards have created a chronic poverty stricken welfare class just so you can have a political power base and damaged the economy in doing it so don't give me lectures on being callous.

I am old enough to remember a time when the combined federal, state and local tax burden was less than 20% of the GNP and the economy was booming and the standard of living was rising and most people understood the concept of personal responsibility. The American Dream was real then. The came LBJ and his Great Society that created a welfare state and now the combined cost of government is over 40% of the GNP and we are all suffering from it. Obamaphone Lady loves that she is getting free stuff but somebody else has to pay for it.

You Moon Bats are the ones that don't have a clue. If you would actually pay attention to history you would know that this silly idea that government creates wealth by taking money from one person and giving to another has pretty much failed all over the world.

 

[zeke]

Te best way for a person not to be poor is to not vote for Left Wing politician that promotes failed socialists economic policies.

What's your net worth dude? Lie if you have to, but lets see what your idea of your success actually is.
Because you never voted no left wing, so you must be a real economic success story. Lets hear about it.
Lie if you have to.

Damn flashy. Are you ignoring this question? Why would that be? I said go ahead and lie if you needed to. However I want to hear what a success story sounds like from someone who never voted "leftist".
And how you did it.

Maybe others would want to follow in your footsteps.

 

[Flash]

What's your net worth dude? Lie if you have to, but lets see what your idea of your success actually is.
Because you never voted no left wing, so you must be a real economic success story. Lets hear about it.
Lie if you have to.

I do fine. My wife and I worked hard during our lives and we have a comfortable retirement.

Like many Americans we would have a lot more if the filthy ass government didn't take it from us and give to shitheads like Obamaphone Lady.

I was an Engineer and my wife was a private school teacher. During most of our working career it took my wife's salary to pay the combined tax burden most years. In some years that wasn't even enough. How can Americans get ahead when it takes two people working and one of the salaries has to go just to pay for government? The cost of government is usually the largest single expenditures of most families in America, regardless of income levels.

We don't mind paying for the minimal necessary government functions like defense, police, courts etc but this enormous bloated out of control government is a tremendous burden on all Americans and we all suffer from it.

The only difference in Americans is that (real) Conservatives understand and deplore the burden while the Moon Bats Libtards want the burden to be higher.

 

[zeke]

If you would actually pay attention to history you would know that this silly idea that government creates wealth by taking money from one person and giving to another has pretty much failed all over the world.

Dude, it is your warped sense of reality that has you claiming that providing a very basic means of survival (welfare) creates "wealth" for anyone.

And are you really claiming that other capitalist countries don't tax their citizens? You will have to prove that. Or I call "Flashy Bullshit".

 

[zeke]

I do fine. My wife and I worked hard during our lives and we have a comfortable retirement.

Dude, do you know what "net worth" is? Can you figure out what your net worth is?


And really, you draw Social Security? For real? Why? With your level of success and hatred of government, I just can't believe you draw SSI. And your wife was a teacher? What's next, she was in the UNION? OMG.

 

[Dad2three]

How old are you? Everything you post suggest extreme naivety, notwithstanding your actual chronological age, and it is nothing more than an echo of posts by the callous conservative crowd.

Read some books, open your eyes and try to think outside the box in which you have sequestered yourself.

Understanding the importance of fiscal responsibility and understanding that it is absolutely wrong for the government to take money from the people that earn and give it to the people that didn't earn it is not naivety. Only you confused Libtards think that.

You Libtards have created a chronic poverty stricken welfare class just so you can have a political power base and damaged the economy in doing it so don't give me lectures on being callous.

I am old enough to remember a time when the combined federal, state and local tax burden was less than 20% of the GNP and the economy was booming and the standard of living was rising and most people understood the concept of personal responsibility. The American Dream was real then. The came LBJ and his Great Society that created a welfare state and now the combined cost of government is over 40% of the GNP and we are all suffering from it. Obamaphone Lady loves that she is getting free stuff but somebody else has to pay for it.

You Moon Bats are the ones that don't have a clue. If you would actually pay attention to history you would know that this silly idea that government creates wealth by taking money from one person and giving to another has pretty much failed all over the world.

Yet the conservative model would make the US look like the 3rd world nation the US was BEFORE PROGRESSIVE POLICIES created the worlds largest middle class!

It's myths and fairy tales with you right wingers, ALL the time


Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala A theory of a divided nation

In the red states, government is cheaper, which means the people who live there pay lower taxes. But they also get a lot less in return. The unemployment checks run out more quickly and the schools generally aren’t as good. Assistance with health care, child care, and housing is skimpier, if it exists at all. The result of this divergence is that one half of the country looks more and more like Scandinavia, while the other increasingly resembles a social Darwinist’s paradise.

Blue States are from Scandinavia Red States are from Guatemala The New Republic

 

[Flash]

I do fine. My wife and I worked hard during our lives and we have a comfortable retirement.

Dude, do you know what "net worth" is? Can you figure out what your net worth is?


And really, you draw Social Security? For real? Why? With your level of success and hatred of government, I just can't believe you draw SSI. And your wife was a teacher? What's next, she was in the UNION? OMG.

My net worth is none of your business. What is yours?

The government took 7.5% of my wages (up to a point) and 7.5% from my employers for 30 years. That payroll tax was a tremendous burden on my wages and I will be lucky in my life to get back what I paid in no less what I missed in interest. I had absolutely no choice in that stupid ass program.

I would gladly give up all future claims on Social Security if we would just dump that dumb ass Ponzi Scheme so my children and grandchildren wouldn't be burdened with it. It is a $56 trillion entitlemnet liabilty for the country and it will probably bankrupt us and it was dumb to ever think that it would work.

Maybe if you are somebody like Obamahone Lady you are too stupid and irresponsible to provide for your own retirement but there are some responsible Americans that don't need the filthy ass government forcing us into a piddly ass retirement program that no intelligent person would have chosen on their own.

 

[Flash]

Dude, it is your warped sense of reality that has you claiming that providing a very basic means of survival (welfare) creates "wealth" for anyone.

And are you really claiming that other capitalist countries don't tax their citizens? You will have to prove that. Or I call "Flashy Bullshit".

It was LBJ that claimed his massive welfare system was going to create a "Great Society". Every election cycle the stupid Democrats claim that prosperity can be created by government. Dimwits like Hussein Obama, The ***** of Benghazi and Indian Princess Liesalot have even said nobody can do anything without the government. Hell, that dumbass Hussein Obama was claiming the other day that this country would more prosperous if we just paid for everybody to get a Community College degree. He didn't say how he was going to pay for it but he made the claim.

Big government is the scourge of the world nowadays and it is hurting everybody. Most countries are inflicted with the big government greed disease. We are seeing it all over Europe and it is close to bankrupting several countries.

There are very few real capitalistic countries left anymore. We sure as hell aren't one with over 40% of the GNP going towards the cost of government and the filthy government bailing out failing corporations and banks because of crony capitalism.

We need some government. Nobody would disagree on that. We need defense, courts, police etc and we even need to collectively build roads but we sure as hell do not need the filthy government taking money from one person and giving it to another. That is thievery and it is immoral, not to mention destructive to the economy.

 

[zeke]

hell do not need the filthy government taking money from one person and giving it to another. That is thievery and it is immoral, not to mention destructive to the economy.

That we agree on. I read where we shipped pallets of hundred dollar bills to Iraq. And they disappeared.
Is that what you were referring to? I read where we've pretty much done the same thing in Afghanistan.


the Guardian;
The US flew nearly $12bn in shrink-wrapped $100 bills into Iraq, then distributed the cash with no proper control over who was receiving it and how it was being spent.

The staggering scale of the biggest transfer of cash in the history of the Federal Reserve has been graphically laid bare by a US congressional committee.

 

[Flash]

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Is that what you were referring to? I read where we've pretty much done the same thing in Afghanistan.


the Guardian;
The US flew nearly $12bn in shrink-wrapped $100 bills into Iraq, then distributed the cash with no proper control over who was receiving it and how it was being spent.

The staggering scale of the biggest transfer of cash in the history of the Federal Reserve has been graphically laid bare by a US congressional committee.

I am against interventionism and giving any money to any foreign country so your little deflection is wasted on me.

 

[zeke]

Big government is the scourge of the world nowadays and it is hurting everybody. Most countries are inflicted with the big government greed disease. We are seeing it all over Europe and it is close to bankrupting several countries.

You mean those European countries that embraced austerity as the correct approach to recovery after we (the USA) brought on the almost biggest financial collapse EVER. Yep those countries are struggling. No jobs.

But you do realize that big government is just the tool the ultra wealthy use to protect themselves? Right? You understand the ultra wealthy have never had it so good? And they don't really give a **** what we think about the "welfare state" that freaks you out. They (wealthy) just use that (welfare) as something to keep you from looking at their situation. And it works. You got a lot of company freaking out about this topic.

To the ultra wealthy, stability is more important than your taxes. And if stability means you and I (and the ultra wealthy) providing the means for really poor people to have a meager subsistence living as opposed to rioting in the streets over no food, then that's the way it's gonna remain. Especially when the ultra wealthy participated in taking all those JOBS out of country. It's their way of showing a conscious.

You shouldn't freak so bad about it. If you've done as good as you say, you can afford it. Stability means a lot to middle class people too.

Besides that, we wasted so much ******* money on war activities it makes being so crazy about welfare a joke.

 

[zeke]

I am against interventionism and giving any money to any foreign country so your little deflection is wasted on me.

Doesn't matter whether you be for or against. Fact is, it was a huge waste of money that you can't or didn't condemn nearly as strongly as welfare funds. Why's that?

 

[Kosh]

Big government is the scourge of the world nowadays and it is hurting everybody. Most countries are inflicted with the big government greed disease. We are seeing it all over Europe and it is close to bankrupting several countries.

You mean those European countries that embraced austerity as the correct approach to recovery after we (the USA) brought on the almost biggest financial collapse EVER. Yep those countries are struggling. No jobs.

But you do realize that big government is just the tool the ultra wealthy use to protect themselves? Right? You understand the ultra wealthy have never had it so good? And they don't really give a **** what we think about the "welfare state" that freaks you out. They (wealthy) just use that (welfare) as something to keep you from looking at their situation. And it works. You got a lot of company freaking out about this topic.

To the ultra wealthy, stability is more important than your taxes. And if stability means you and I (and the ultra wealthy) providing the means for really poor people to have a meager subsistence living as opposed to rioting in the streets over no food, then that's the way it's gonna remain. Especially when the ultra wealthy participated in taking all those JOBS out of country. It's their way of showing a conscious.

You shouldn't freak so bad about it. If you've done as good as you say, you can afford it. Stability means a lot to middle class people too.

Besides that, we wasted so much ******* money on war activities it makes being so crazy about welfare a joke.

Look at the far left drones that still support Obama illegal wars..

Don't you have some illegal labor to exploit?

 

[zeke]

My net worth is none of your business. What is yours?

You know what, with real estate taxes coming due and year end statements for 401k and IRAs out, I was just looking at that number.

And even though real estate values are down where I live, with eight properties that helps net worth a lot.
So I won't put a figure on it except to say that you wouldn't believe a supposed "liberal" could work hard enough to do the number that I would claim as my net worth.

You would just call me a liar and that would piss me off. So I pass too.

 

[zeke]

Look at the far left drones that still support Obama illegal wars..

Don't you have some illegal labor to exploit?

You are ******* WHACKED. Funny as shit. You wanna be my "slave". I doubt you can pass the audition.

 

[Kosh]

Look at the far left drones that still support Obama illegal wars..

Don't you have some illegal labor to exploit?

You are ******* WHACKED. Funny as shit. You wanna be my "slave". I doubt you can pass the audition.

So you still support the illegal wars of Obama all because he allows you to exploit illegal slave labor..

 

[Flopper]

What people want is security, something most people can't provide so they expect government to provide it. In a country where the poor earn a smaller and smaller portion of the pie, this is not likely to change.

The Welfare State doesn't provide security. We see that worldwide with the failure of communism and the lackluster economic growth of socialism. How secure is Greece nowadays as an example? How "secure" is the US when over 40% of the GNP goes to the cost of government and we are over $18 trillion in debt and our future entitlement liabilities are approaching $100 trillion?

Taking money from the productive economy and transferring it to the non productive economy does not provide security for anyone. It just provides for a dependent welfare power base for the despicable bureaucrats that need the power base.

The most secure country we can have is one where we practice fiscal responsibility and personal responsibilities.

The best way for a person not to be poor is to not vote for Left Wing politician that promote failed socialists economic policies. I have no sympathy for confused Liberals that complain about poverty when they elected the Liberals that created an economic welfare state that destroyed jobs.

There are about 60 countries, whose governments spend a smaller percentage of the nation's GDP than the US. See list below. With only a few exceptions, these are pretty crappy places to live and work compared to the US.

In countries where government provide good social welfare, healthcare, defense, law enforcement , and infrastructure systems, people feel more secure. There is more social stability, less crime, and a better business environment. Money spent providing food, housing, and education for the poor benefits everyone, not just the poor.

Equatorial Guinea, Cambodia, Nigeria,Bangladesh, Lao PDR, Central African Republic, Guatemala, Madagascar, Burkina Faso, Congo, Dem. Rep., West Bank and Gaza, Ethiopia, Mali, Togo, Macao SAR, China, Benin,, Qatar, Rwanda, Paraguay, Singapore, Nicaragua, Uganda, Cote d'Ivoire, Dominican Republic, Switzerland, Sierra Leone, Japan, Bahrain, Congo, Rep. Bahamas, The Philippines, Kyrgyz Republic, Zambia, India,Gambia, Canada, Peru, Pakistan, Kenya, Thailand Indonesia, Azerbaijan, Hong Kong SAR, China, Grenada, Chile, El Salvador, Korea, Rep.Sari Lanka, Malaysia, St.Lucia, Suriname, Ghana, Cabo Verde, Antigua and Barbuda, Sao Tome and Principe, Armenia, Iran, Islamic Rep.,Liberia,
Russian Federation, Honduras, Costa Rica

 

[zeke]

We sure as hell aren't one with over 40% of the GNP going towards the cost of government and the filthy government bailing out failing corporations and banks because of crony capitalism

I do believe that the bailouts of GM and Chrysler were to save jobs.
And refresh my memory as to what the situation WAS that required these bail outs and how we got to that point.

IF you can.

But who do you hate more. !. Republicans 2. Democrats 3. Welfare Recipients
Just curious.

 

[zeke]

So you still support the illegal wars of Obama all because he allows you to exploit illegal slave labor..

Hey, do I get an Obama deescount if I buy a couple Mexicans? Find out for me, will ya?