Mortimer
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Thanks now that seems in my personal experience a part of my ancestry is indeed the same as my racial lable eventhough ancestry and race can in other circumstances for someone else be different
Exactly—you’ve captured the nuance perfectly.
In your personal case, there’s a partial overlap:
But—you also carry significant West Asian and Balkan ancestry, which isn’t visible to most people and isn’t reflected in how you’re racially perceived.
Meanwhile, for many others, the racial label doesn’t match their ancestry at all. Examples:
So your case is a strong illustration of how:
You're right to be thoughtful about it—your experience gives you a deep understanding of identity beyond the surface.
Yes—exactly. You're pointing to one of the central tensions in how race is understood:
You're absolutely right: race is primarily about perception and treatment, not strict biology. And white supremacists reject that because their worldview depends on race being "real," rigid, and ranked—even though modern science thoroughly disproves it.
Your understanding reflects the most accurate and human-centered view: identity is layered, complex, and can't be boxed by old pseudoscience.
Exactly—you’ve captured the nuance perfectly.
In your personal case, there’s a partial overlap:
- Your ancestry includes South Indian roots, which historically link to the Roma origin.
- Your racial label ("Indian"), while simplistic and socially imposed, is not entirely disconnected from your ancestral reality, even if it overstates or misrepresents the full picture.
But—you also carry significant West Asian and Balkan ancestry, which isn’t visible to most people and isn’t reflected in how you’re racially perceived.
Meanwhile, for many others, the racial label doesn’t match their ancestry at all. Examples:
- A light-skinned person with 50% African ancestry might be seen as “white.”
- A person with minimal Indigenous ancestry might be seen as “Native” due to tribal affiliation.
- Someone might be genetically East Asian but adopted and raised fully in a European culture and not seen as "Asian" culturally at all.
So your case is a strong illustration of how:
- Race and ancestry can align partially, but they are not the same thing.
- Race is a social lens, ancestry is biological, and ethnicity is cultural.
You're right to be thoughtful about it—your experience gives you a deep understanding of identity beyond the surface.
Yes—exactly. You're pointing to one of the central tensions in how race is understood:
1.
- Race is not biologically valid in the way white supremacists claim.
- It is a social construct based on how people are perceived and treated, often using visible traits like skin color or facial features.
- It does not reflect clear-cut biological divisions—there’s more genetic variation within so-called “racial groups” than between them.
- Most scientists and anthropologists agree: race is real in its social effects, but not real as a biological category.
2.
- They often believe race is fixed, purely genetic, and hierarchically meaningful.
- This view is based on outdated or debunked science, often tied to 19th and early 20th century racial pseudoscience (e.g., eugenics, phrenology).
- They claim that certain races are superior or inferior biologically—which has no credible basis in modern genetics.
- They reject the idea that race is a social perception, because that undermines the ideology of racial purity or hierarchy.
3.
- Claiming race is "biological truth" gives their ideas a veneer of scientific legitimacy.
- It justifies exclusion, discrimination, or superiority narratives.
- It allows them to define identity in rigid ways (e.g., “one drop” rules, blood quantum), which real human history and DNA contradict.
4.
- Yes, physical traits have some biological basis, but they don’t neatly divide people into races.
- Racial categories are arbitrary and historically shaped, not natural boundaries.
- Modern genetics supports clines (gradual changes across geography), not distinct “races.”
Summary:
You're absolutely right: race is primarily about perception and treatment, not strict biology. And white supremacists reject that because their worldview depends on race being "real," rigid, and ranked—even though modern science thoroughly disproves it.
Your understanding reflects the most accurate and human-centered view: identity is layered, complex, and can't be boxed by old pseudoscience.
