Question for my conservative friends here.

[JusticeHammer]

If Trump is found guilty in the documents case with Cannon presiding, will you agree the government proved its case and Trump deserves the punishment meted out?

Before the obvious question is asked, yes I will believe the government did not prove its case if he is acquitted with Cannon presiding..

Only if Biden is charged to.

 

[meaner gene]

Yeah, but they didnt make that demand of Obama who had dozens of truckloads of his documents sent to a furniture store.

What you leave out is that it was the National Archives who sent Obama's documents to the furniture store that the National Archives picked for the storage of Obama's records.

The National Archives already had possession of all of Obama's records, and were going through the boxes in their possession,

 

[Godboy]

I can see I wasn't exact enough. My bad.

A years long inquiry by the State Department into Mrs. Clinton’s use of a private email server found that while it increased the risk of compromising classified information, “there was no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.”​

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The indictment against Mr. Trump, by contrast, accuses him of not only mishandling sensitive national security documents found at his Mar-a-Lago club, but also willfully obstructing the government’s efforts to retrieve them. He has been charged with 37 criminal counts related to issues including withholding national defense information and concealing possession of classified documents.​

Hillary Clinton’s Emails: A Nation Struggles to Unsubscribe (Published 2023)

As Donald Trump made history by becoming the first former president to face federal charges, many Republicans tried to change the subject by renewing an eight-year-old controversy.

www.nytimes.com

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Comey said she was likely hacked by SEVERAL nations because she improperly stored the documents on her home server.

 

[bripat9643]

How can one have copies if they are deleted?

She had them. Cased closed. Deleting them was also a crime.

 

[Godboy]

You guys just can't help yourselves.

When President Obama left office in 2017, NARA took physical and legal custody of the records of his administration in accordance with the Presidential Records Act. NARA made arrangements to move the roughly 30 million pages of paper Presidential records of the Obama administration to a federally acquired, modified, and secured temporary facility that NARA leased in Hoffman Estates, IL, which meets NARA’s requirements for records storage and security. NARA moved the records to Hoffman Estates because of the intention of President Obama to build a Presidential Library in the Chicago area.​

Frequently Asked Questions Concerning Presidential Records and the Presidential Records Act

Recent media reports have generated a large number of queries about Presidential records and the Presidential Records Act (PRA), 44 U.S.C. 2201-2209. The PRA requires that all records created by Presidents (and Vice-Presidents) be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration...

www.archives.gov

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WRONG!

The Obama Presidential Library That Isn’t (Published 2019)

The Obama Presidential Center in Chicago won’t include a research library and archive. To some historians, that’s a problem.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Godboy]

What you leave out is that it was the National Archives who sent Obama's documents to the furniture store that the National Archives picked for the storage of Obama's records.

The National Archives already had possession of all of Obama's records, and were going through the boxes in their possession,

Nope.

The Obama Presidential Library That Isn’t (Published 2019)

The Obama Presidential Center in Chicago won’t include a research library and archive. To some historians, that’s a problem.

www.nytimes.com

 

[bripat9643]

What you leave out is that it was the National Archives who sent Obama's documents to the furniture store that the National Archives picked for the storage of Obama's records.

The National Archives already had possession of all of Obama's records, and were going through the boxes in their possession,

Trump retained documents in accordance with the NR act, you fucking dumbass. There simply is no defense of this outrageous abuse of power.

 

[cnm]

Hillary Clinton had a computer server, in her bathroom. That in fact is a crime and is persuasive evidence of deliberate mishandling of classified information.

The State Department disagreed, categorically.

 

[elektra]

Hillary didn't have any "documents" as in physical objects. She was in possession of documents in alternative media format (e-mails). And her (technically her lawyers) destruction (DOD compliant erasure) of the e-mails, cleared her from 18 usc 1924.

pure bullshit

lawyers destroying emails clears Hillary? hahahahahahahaha

Hillary was using an illegal server, then destroyed the email's after they got subpoenaed. There were multiple laws broke by Hillary. Which of course is a completely separate matter seeings how Hillary was not authorized at all to keep documents, beings how she was not the President.

 

[meaner gene]

Having electronic copies of classified documents is a crime, dumbass. Hillary was cleared of of nothing except having a conscience.

18 USC 1924 requires the removal and retention of documents.
Someone in who removed and then destroyed them, would no longer be subject to 18 USC 1924, as they no longer retained them. (essential element to the crime)

 

[elektra]

Trump retained documents in accordance with the NR act, you fucking dumbass. There simply is no defense of this outrageous abuse of power.

That is why Trump is being wrongly charged under the Espionage act, and not the PRA

 

[Sixties Fan]

Only if Biden is charged to.

Biden should be charged for what?
What laws did he break?
What evidence does anyone have, which have not been given to the DOJ, or the House of Representatives in which a Grand Jury would indict him?

 

[cnm]

If you like, feel free to tell us which law was broke, dont paraphrase the law for us, as you have already, simply give us the code, numbers, of the law.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf

 

[elektra]

18 USC 1924 requires the removal and retention of documents.
Someone in who removed and then destroyed them, would no longer be subject to 18 USC 1924, as they no longer retained them. (essential element to the crime)

According to that law, Hillary Clinton was guilty

a)
Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

 

[meaner gene]

Comey said she was likely hacked by SEVERAL nations because she improperly stored the documents on her home server.

That's like a cop giving you a speeding ticket because you were "likely speeding".

"Likely" committing a crime is not PROOF of committing a crime. At least not in America.

 

[meaner gene]

Trump retained documents in accordance with the NR act, you fucking dumbass. There simply is no defense of this outrageous abuse of power.

You are drinking Trumps kool-aid. The PRA gives the ex-president no such retention authority.

Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of...

www.archives.gov

 

[elektra]

You are drinking Trumps kool-aid. The PRA gives the ex-president no such retention authority.

Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of...

www.archives.gov

Legal custody is not physical custody

 

[Godboy]

That's like a cop giving you a speeding ticket because you were "likely speeding".

"Likely" committing a crime is not PROOF of committing a crime. At least not in America.

Had she not destroyed the server, we could have had forensics look to see if that hapoened.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There will be whataboutism BIGLY.

The Potomac Is a Branch of the Rubicon

In a similar situation, Julius Caesar didn't say, "What about Pompey? What about all the others?' He just marched on Rome and overthrew the decadent Patriciate, ending the republic our Founding Fodder kept making excuses for.

 

[meaner gene]

That is why Trump is being wrongly charged under the Espionage act, and not the PRA

The indictment was the grand jury determining Trump committed all the elements of violating the Espionage act.