Putin's fishing in Siberia while Illinois celebrates Obama's day

[koshergrl]

Here is the real man: athletic and strong physically and mentally. No wonder Russia loves him and week Western "leaders" are afraid of him.



Siberian vacation: Putin takes short break to spearfish, hike & sunbathe

Just look at Russian President Vladimir Putin out there in the wilderness doing masculine shit like fishing, boating and driving a wilderness vehicle. Then look at a picture of Barack Hussein Obama on his bicycle wearing housewife jeans and a stupid helmet on a bike trail. Compare these two and you'll see immediately who is the real loser.

Obama makes gayness less manly than it already was.

 

[koshergrl]

Question for Stratford. If Putin were the President of the USA what do you think he would be doing about Obama & his agents of corruption headquarters less than 2 miles from WH, the Mainstream media Journalists and their fake news stories and the Mueller investigation given Mueller's history of attempting to frame Julian Assange and WikiLeaks under Obama administration? Any thoughts?

Putin would be a democrat, he has total control of the media just like the democrats almost do, and what Obama and the dems are doing right now is straight out of his playbook. He controls what is taught in schools just like the democrats, he controls entertainment, just like the democrats, and everyone is miserable, just like democrat cities.

I don't know if you heard it or not, but Obama is no longer our president....just a reminder, fool

Somebody needs to tell him.

 

[ESay]

Again historical lands. Where these lands are located?

More than 3 years have passed since then and you still have such stuff in your head? Unbelievable. At least you don’t hope that Russia will help you. It is progress.

So, are you under the impression that the E.U "liberated" the Ukraine in that illegal coup in 2014???

Dude, to understand why it happened you should look not on 2014 year, but on much earlier times. Have you ever heard about South-Western Rus and North-Eastern Rus? And what was the difference between them?

I know exactly why it happened. The IMF has milked the other E.U countries about as much as they could and needed a new country to rape, pillage and plunder. Russia offered the Ukraine a much better deal that would not have put them in debt or had to put up their natural resources as collateral and with no austerity measures. Ukraine was a buffer between globalist NATO forces and Russia. It would be like China annexing Mexico....you think the U.S would like that??

The Russian deal would put Ukraine in debt because it offered a loan of 15 bln dollars on 2 years term. I doubt that Ukraine would pay this loan in this term even without all these events happening now and without austerity measures.

The Euromaidan happened not because of choice between two economical deals. It was a choice between two civilizations if it may be called that. Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society. Though, it will take many years and this adventure can be failed of course.

Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society.

But the Western world doesn't care what many Ukrainians want and Western World obviously doesn't need such a poor and hopelessly corrupt country in their society (and each day Ukraine only becomes more poor and more corrupt). They already have enough problems besides Ukraine: poor countries which they have to feed and wild crowds of Muslims who blow them up from time to time. If they need Ukraine it is for using it as a pawn against Russia and for sucking up everything possible from it. Basically, Ukraine is a cheap prostitute for EU.

You seem to be a grown up boy, Esay, but you still believe in fairy tales and try to bite that carrot EU showed you in 2013 but never allowed to try. You will become дедушка (grandpa), but yet your grandchildren won't see European future. Are those Western fairy tales (сказки про белого бычка) worth messed lives of all your countrymen?

One Ukrainian politician who was famous in the past but now left the scene once said ‘Don’t try to bring Ukraine to Europe, but try to build Europe in Ukraine’. Of course Europe doesn’t need such poor and corrupt country and there will need to be years to clean up the mess caused by almost 30 years of corruption and mislead. But it is we who must clean this up and it is in our interests in the first turn.

You can call the country you live in everything you want. It will change nothing and you relentless posting on this forum will change nothing, either. If you want to change something – do it. You are telling how Americans’ taxes go to support the ‘failed state’, but at the same time you yourself also pay taxes to the ‘junta’ including so-called military tax thanks to which so-called ATO against your fellows is ongoing. And you seem to be OK with it. How pathetic.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

(Ukraine annexed us when exited from the USSR and West has been pretty silent about that!).

It seems the amount of BS in Russian trolls’ heads is endless.

Really? May be you should learn a little bit of real history (not that pseudo-history Ukrainians have been telling you).

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Ukraine entered USSR without Eastern parts, Crimea and Galichina and exited USSR in 1991 twice bigger than entered. While being Ukrainian socialist republic within the USSR , those territories were adjoined to it just because it was convenient territorially: Lenin adjoined a lot of Russian lands from the East to increase proletariat in Ukrainian republic; Khrushchev adjoined Cromea and Stalin adjoined [Polish] Gallichina after WW2. When Ukraine decided to become "independent" (ha, ha!) in 1991 it should have returned all Russian and Polish lands to begin with. Also I'd like to remind you that Russia paid all external debts for Ukraine and other republics after USSR collapsed.

Esay, it won't hurt you to learn some real history. Start with an article by CIS-EMO political analyst of an International Monitoring Organization Stanislav Byshok (a Polish! author):
The truth about Ukraine: Byshok's lecture at Brown University - Fort Russ

Chickenhawks Belong in Birdcages

Any country in Ukraine's position that doesn't draft all 18-year-old males (even if they want to go to college instead) has no right to exist.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Here is the real man: athletic and strong physically and mentally. No wonder Russia loves him and week Western "leaders" are afraid of him.



Siberian vacation: Putin takes short break to spearfish, hike & sunbathe

Just look at Russian President Vladimir Putin out there in the wilderness doing masculine shit like fishing, boating and driving a wilderness vehicle. Then look at a picture of Barack Hussein Obama on his bicycle wearing housewife jeans and a stupid helmet on a bike trail. Compare these two and you'll see immediately who is the real loser.

Obama makes gayness less manly than it already was.

Yeah I think even our gays would consider Obama too damn sissy for their tastes. Hyper-masculinity seems to be the order of the day. Just look at the men depicted by the Village People. An Indian, a cowboy, a biker, a policeman, an army guy, and ....well... a sailor (I guess you have to throw them a bone.)

 

[koshergrl]

Here is the real man: athletic and strong physically and mentally. No wonder Russia loves him and week Western "leaders" are afraid of him.



Siberian vacation: Putin takes short break to spearfish, hike & sunbathe

Just look at Russian President Vladimir Putin out there in the wilderness doing masculine shit like fishing, boating and driving a wilderness vehicle. Then look at a picture of Barack Hussein Obama on his bicycle wearing housewife jeans and a stupid helmet on a bike trail. Compare these two and you'll see immediately who is the real loser.

Obama makes gayness less manly than it already was.

Yeah I think even our gays would consider Obama too damn sissy for their tastes. Hyper-masculinity seems to be the order of the day. Just look at the men depicted by the Village People. An Indian, a cowboy, a biker, a policeman, an army guy, and ....well... a sailor (I guess you have to throw them a boneless.o

Well the foremost characteristic of gay men is their love of costumes. They love to dress up in distinctive costumes and prance around.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Twist Every Preppy's Smirking Lips Until They Bleed

Reminds me of pro-war draftdodger Romney pedaling through Paris while deserting his class's war in Vietnam. Selfish Conservative snobs talk the talk but think their pampered bodies never have to walk the walk.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Here is the real man: athletic and strong physically and mentally. No wonder Russia loves him and week Western "leaders" are afraid of him.



Siberian vacation: Putin takes short break to spearfish, hike & sunbathe

Just look at Russian President Vladimir Putin out there in the wilderness doing masculine shit like fishing, boating and driving a wilderness vehicle. Then look at a picture of Barack Hussein Obama on his bicycle wearing housewife jeans and a stupid helmet on a bike trail. Compare these two and you'll see immediately who is the real loser.

Dorky Mormon Deacon

That's why sissyboy Romney wants us to believe that the masculine Putin is our worst enemy. Manliness threatens the decadent weaklings in the hereditary classes.

 

[MrMike]

Does Obama celebration day in Illinois include a Chicago parade of extra drive by shootings?

 

[Stratford57]

So, are you under the impression that the E.U "liberated" the Ukraine in that illegal coup in 2014???

Dude, to understand why it happened you should look not on 2014 year, but on much earlier times. Have you ever heard about South-Western Rus and North-Eastern Rus? And what was the difference between them?

I know exactly why it happened. The IMF has milked the other E.U countries about as much as they could and needed a new country to rape, pillage and plunder. Russia offered the Ukraine a much better deal that would not have put them in debt or had to put up their natural resources as collateral and with no austerity measures. Ukraine was a buffer between globalist NATO forces and Russia. It would be like China annexing Mexico....you think the U.S would like that??

The Russian deal would put Ukraine in debt because it offered a loan of 15 bln dollars on 2 years term. I doubt that Ukraine would pay this loan in this term even without all these events happening now and without austerity measures.

The Euromaidan happened not because of choice between two economical deals. It was a choice between two civilizations if it may be called that. Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society. Though, it will take many years and this adventure can be failed of course.

Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society.

But the Western world doesn't care what many Ukrainians want and Western World obviously doesn't need such a poor and hopelessly corrupt country in their society (and each day Ukraine only becomes more poor and more corrupt). They already have enough problems besides Ukraine: poor countries which they have to feed and wild crowds of Muslims who blow them up from time to time. If they need Ukraine it is for using it as a pawn against Russia and for sucking up everything possible from it. Basically, Ukraine is a cheap prostitute for EU.

You seem to be a grown up boy, Esay, but you still believe in fairy tales and try to bite that carrot EU showed you in 2013 but never allowed to try. You will become дедушка (grandpa), but yet your grandchildren won't see European future. Are those Western fairy tales (сказки про белого бычка) worth messed lives of all your countrymen?

One Ukrainian politician who was famous in the past but now left the scene once said ‘Don’t try to bring Ukraine to Europe, but try to build Europe in Ukraine’. Of course Europe doesn’t need such poor and corrupt country and there will need to be years to clean up the mess caused by almost 30 years of corruption and mislead. But it is we who must clean this up and it is in our interests in the first turn.

You can call the country you live in everything you want. It will change nothing and you relentless posting on this forum will change nothing, either. If you want to change something – do it. You are telling how Americans’ taxes go to support the ‘failed state’, but at the same time you yourself also pay taxes to the ‘junta’ including so-called military tax thanks to which so-called ATO against your fellows is ongoing. And you seem to be OK with it. How pathetic.

I hate to pay them taxes for killing our people. You?

I also hate to see West turning our country (including millions of those who never needed alleged "European future") into a cheap and foolish prostitute who is doing a blow job for EU not even for real money but for promised money. It’s unbelievable example of venality (продажности) and stupidity. Instead of marrying a guy like Russia for better and worse and feeling at least protected with him, Ukraine prefers to trade just about everything it has in common with Russia (the roots, the history, family connections, religion, the Russian language half a country considers as their first language, and so on and on) and to allow the West to use it as a cheap miserable prostitute. Do you think such a prostitute has any future? I don’t think so.

But that’s what happens to a country who’s willing to trade its sovereignty and to give it to the countries who don’t give a sh*t about it's future.

Poland seems to be a little more expensive prostitute for EU comparing to Ukraine, but even Poland is thinking about exiting from EU.
Head of European Council: Poland prepares to exit EU | CypLIVE

A lot European people (more and more each day) want to exit from EU, Ukraine is the only fool who still is dreaming to enter it. But it is not gonna happen for a number of reasons. The sooner people like you understand it the quicker something good may happen to our country.

 

[ESay]

Dude, to understand why it happened you should look not on 2014 year, but on much earlier times. Have you ever heard about South-Western Rus and North-Eastern Rus? And what was the difference between them?

I know exactly why it happened. The IMF has milked the other E.U countries about as much as they could and needed a new country to rape, pillage and plunder. Russia offered the Ukraine a much better deal that would not have put them in debt or had to put up their natural resources as collateral and with no austerity measures. Ukraine was a buffer between globalist NATO forces and Russia. It would be like China annexing Mexico....you think the U.S would like that??

The Russian deal would put Ukraine in debt because it offered a loan of 15 bln dollars on 2 years term. I doubt that Ukraine would pay this loan in this term even without all these events happening now and without austerity measures.

The Euromaidan happened not because of choice between two economical deals. It was a choice between two civilizations if it may be called that. Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society. Though, it will take many years and this adventure can be failed of course.

Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society.

But the Western world doesn't care what many Ukrainians want and Western World obviously doesn't need such a poor and hopelessly corrupt country in their society (and each day Ukraine only becomes more poor and more corrupt). They already have enough problems besides Ukraine: poor countries which they have to feed and wild crowds of Muslims who blow them up from time to time. If they need Ukraine it is for using it as a pawn against Russia and for sucking up everything possible from it. Basically, Ukraine is a cheap prostitute for EU.

You seem to be a grown up boy, Esay, but you still believe in fairy tales and try to bite that carrot EU showed you in 2013 but never allowed to try. You will become дедушка (grandpa), but yet your grandchildren won't see European future. Are those Western fairy tales (сказки про белого бычка) worth messed lives of all your countrymen?

One Ukrainian politician who was famous in the past but now left the scene once said ‘Don’t try to bring Ukraine to Europe, but try to build Europe in Ukraine’. Of course Europe doesn’t need such poor and corrupt country and there will need to be years to clean up the mess caused by almost 30 years of corruption and mislead. But it is we who must clean this up and it is in our interests in the first turn.

You can call the country you live in everything you want. It will change nothing and you relentless posting on this forum will change nothing, either. If you want to change something – do it. You are telling how Americans’ taxes go to support the ‘failed state’, but at the same time you yourself also pay taxes to the ‘junta’ including so-called military tax thanks to which so-called ATO against your fellows is ongoing. And you seem to be OK with it. How pathetic.

I hate to pay them taxes for killing our people. You?

I also hate to see West turning our country (including millions of those who never needed alleged "European future") into a cheap and foolish prostitute who is doing a blow job for EU not even for real money but for promised money. It’s unbelievable example of venality (продажности) and stupidity. Instead of marrying a guy like Russia for better and worse and feeling at least protected with him, Ukraine prefers to trade just about everything it has in common with Russia (the roots, the history, family connections, religion, the Russian language half a country considers as their first language, and so on and on) and to allow the West to use it as a cheap miserable prostitute. Do you think such a prostitute has any future? I don’t think so.

But that’s what happens to a country who’s willing to trade its sovereignty and to give it to the countries who don’t give a sh*t about it's future.

Poland seems to be a little more expensive prostitute for EU comparing to Ukraine, but even Poland is thinking about exiting from EU.
Head of European Council: Poland prepares to exit EU | CypLIVE

A lot European people (more and more each day) want to exit from EU, Ukraine is the only fool who still is dreaming to enter it. But it is not gonna happen for a number of reasons. The sooner people like you understand it the quicker something good may happen to our country.

It doesn’t matter hate you something or not. But if you call on someone to stop supporting the ‘junta’, then don’t support it yourself in the first turn.


It all depends from the point of view. You see prostitutes everywhere; I see the situation a little bit different.

Let’s imagine that there are parents who have a son. When the time to study in a high school came, they faced a dilemma – to which class they wanted their son to go.

In the first class there were mostly strong (in educational sense) pupils, and good teachers taught them. This class participated in many olympiads, competitions and always took one of the first places.
The second one consisted of not too bright pupils who never reached for the stars. Their teachers were not so smart people either and were more interested in paperwork than teaching the children.

The parents were realizing that their son belonged to the second class because he never was an excellent pupil, to put it mildly, and it would be more comfortable for him there. Учился бы не напрягаясь, в общем. But if they son studied in the first class, he could significantly increase his educational and cultural level as a whole. Of course, it would take a lot of efforts and time both from the parents and their son; there would be quarrels and scandals, significant deteriorating of his average marks especially on the first stage; a lot of money would be needed for private teachers because school lessons and help from parents would be not enough to achieve the goals (this would lead to cuts of the family’s budget) and so on.

And of course no one guaranteed that the son would achieve the wanted level at the end of the studying, everything might be in vain. But if he successfully finished the first class, then not only would he increase his educational and cultural level but also he would have an opportunity to enroll in some prestige college or something like that. At the same time the second class wouldn’t give him such an opportunity.

Now a question – if you were one of the parents, which one of the classes would you choose for your son? (though, you can consider that as a rhetorical question).


Your dreams about mass ‘exits’ from the EU will be only dreams for a long time. The elections in the Netherlands and France showed this and I am sure that the elections in Germany will show it too. Brexit is becoming more and more like a parody of what it was promised to be.
And of course there will be more members in the EU because some Balkan countries will join this union too, including Serbia. And you will have to get over it.
About your ‘number of reasons’. You know, more than three years ago your ilk was arguing that in a course of several months Ukraine would virtually cease to exist as a single country. There were also the various numbers of reasons at the time. But the dogs are barking but the caravan keeps going ahead.

 

[Stratford57]

I know exactly why it happened. The IMF has milked the other E.U countries about as much as they could and needed a new country to rape, pillage and plunder. Russia offered the Ukraine a much better deal that would not have put them in debt or had to put up their natural resources as collateral and with no austerity measures. Ukraine was a buffer between globalist NATO forces and Russia. It would be like China annexing Mexico....you think the U.S would like that??

The Russian deal would put Ukraine in debt because it offered a loan of 15 bln dollars on 2 years term. I doubt that Ukraine would pay this loan in this term even without all these events happening now and without austerity measures.

The Euromaidan happened not because of choice between two economical deals. It was a choice between two civilizations if it may be called that. Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society. Though, it will take many years and this adventure can be failed of course.

Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society.

But the Western world doesn't care what many Ukrainians want and Western World obviously doesn't need such a poor and hopelessly corrupt country in their society (and each day Ukraine only becomes more poor and more corrupt). They already have enough problems besides Ukraine: poor countries which they have to feed and wild crowds of Muslims who blow them up from time to time. If they need Ukraine it is for using it as a pawn against Russia and for sucking up everything possible from it. Basically, Ukraine is a cheap prostitute for EU.

You seem to be a grown up boy, Esay, but you still believe in fairy tales and try to bite that carrot EU showed you in 2013 but never allowed to try. You will become дедушка (grandpa), but yet your grandchildren won't see European future. Are those Western fairy tales (сказки про белого бычка) worth messed lives of all your countrymen?

One Ukrainian politician who was famous in the past but now left the scene once said ‘Don’t try to bring Ukraine to Europe, but try to build Europe in Ukraine’. Of course Europe doesn’t need such poor and corrupt country and there will need to be years to clean up the mess caused by almost 30 years of corruption and mislead. But it is we who must clean this up and it is in our interests in the first turn.

You can call the country you live in everything you want. It will change nothing and you relentless posting on this forum will change nothing, either. If you want to change something – do it. You are telling how Americans’ taxes go to support the ‘failed state’, but at the same time you yourself also pay taxes to the ‘junta’ including so-called military tax thanks to which so-called ATO against your fellows is ongoing. And you seem to be OK with it. How pathetic.

I hate to pay them taxes for killing our people. You?

I also hate to see West turning our country (including millions of those who never needed alleged "European future") into a cheap and foolish prostitute who is doing a blow job for EU not even for real money but for promised money. It’s unbelievable example of venality (продажности) and stupidity. Instead of marrying a guy like Russia for better and worse and feeling at least protected with him, Ukraine prefers to trade just about everything it has in common with Russia (the roots, the history, family connections, religion, the Russian language half a country considers as their first language, and so on and on) and to allow the West to use it as a cheap miserable prostitute. Do you think such a prostitute has any future? I don’t think so.

But that’s what happens to a country who’s willing to trade its sovereignty and to give it to the countries who don’t give a sh*t about it's future.

Poland seems to be a little more expensive prostitute for EU comparing to Ukraine, but even Poland is thinking about exiting from EU.
Head of European Council: Poland prepares to exit EU | CypLIVE

A lot European people (more and more each day) want to exit from EU, Ukraine is the only fool who still is dreaming to enter it. But it is not gonna happen for a number of reasons. The sooner people like you understand it the quicker something good may happen to our country.

It doesn’t matter hate you something or not. But if you call on someone to stop supporting the ‘junta’, then don’t support it yourself in the first turn.


It all depends from the point of view. You see prostitutes everywhere; I see the situation a little bit different.

Let’s imagine that there are parents who have a son. When the time to study in a high school came, they faced a dilemma – to which class they wanted their son to go.

In the first class there were mostly strong (in educational sense) pupils, and good teachers taught them. This class participated in many olympiads, competitions and always took one of the first places.
The second one consisted of not too bright pupils who never reached for the stars. Their teachers were not so smart people either and were more interested in paperwork than teaching the children.

The parents were realizing that their son belonged to the second class because he never was an excellent pupil, to put it mildly, and it would be more comfortable for him there. Учился бы не напрягаясь, в общем. But if they son studied in the first class, he could significantly increase his educational and cultural level as a whole. Of course, it would take a lot of efforts and time both from the parents and their son; there would be quarrels and scandals, significant deteriorating of his average marks especially on the first stage; a lot of money would be needed for private teachers because school lessons and help from parents would be not enough to achieve the goals (this would lead to cuts of the family’s budget) and so on.

And of course no one guaranteed that the son would achieve the wanted level at the end of the studying, everything might be in vain. But if he successfully finished the first class, then not only would he increase his educational and cultural level but also he would have an opportunity to enroll in some prestige college or something like that. At the same time the second class wouldn’t give him such an opportunity.

Now a question – if you were one of the parents, which one of the classes would you choose for your son? (though, you can consider that as a rhetorical question).


Your dreams about mass ‘exits’ from the EU will be only dreams for a long time. The elections in the Netherlands and France showed this and I am sure that the elections in Germany will show it too. Brexit is becoming more and more like a parody of what it was promised to be.
And of course there will be more members in the EU because some Balkan countries will join this union too, including Serbia. And you will have to get over it.
About your ‘number of reasons’. You know, more than three years ago your ilk was arguing that in a course of several months Ukraine would virtually cease to exist as a single country. There were also the various numbers of reasons at the time. But the dogs are barking but the caravan keeps going ahead.

Your ballade about a son is good if it was about parents. We are talking about stepparents, who are evil and only want profit for themselves, not the son. The son only needs to serve their purposes: in our case to hate Russia and to get more and more brainwashed each day to be easy to manipulate.

That’s the root of the problem: you give up your sovereignty and the people who don’t have anything to do with your mentality, history, genes, religion come to your country, seize the power unconstitutionally, control you from abroad, tell you whom to be friends with and deeply brainwash you every day to make as many people serve their dirty geopolitical goals as possible, not yours, Esay, not yours. The fact that some people from abroad came to your country, promised to bring democracy but started with violation of your constitution should have woken you up long time ago,

You seem to think you are smart. Then try to stop listen to Soros puppets Media and try to add 2 and 2 yourself. You may find out interesting things. For example, try to understand why official Kiev makes the population of Ukraine buy Russian gas from Europe. It’s still Russian gas, it has not become any holy gas just because it crossed Europe and came back to Ukrainian customer. But robbed and miserable Ukrainian customer (not official Kiev), who’s monthly retirement is about $50 and in a lot of cases is smaller than monthly utilities payments has to pay a lot more for it (about 30% more or so).

As for European people (not EU weak and dependent “leaders”) more and more of them are thinking EU was a bad idea. And Polish leaders are talking about exiting it for some reason, I didn’t put words into their mouth.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Russian deal would put Ukraine in debt because it offered a loan of 15 bln dollars on 2 years term. I doubt that Ukraine would pay this loan in this term even without all these events happening now and without austerity measures.

The Euromaidan happened not because of choice between two economical deals. It was a choice between two civilizations if it may be called that. Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society. Though, it will take many years and this adventure can be failed of course.

Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society.

But the Western world doesn't care what many Ukrainians want and Western World obviously doesn't need such a poor and hopelessly corrupt country in their society (and each day Ukraine only becomes more poor and more corrupt). They already have enough problems besides Ukraine: poor countries which they have to feed and wild crowds of Muslims who blow them up from time to time. If they need Ukraine it is for using it as a pawn against Russia and for sucking up everything possible from it. Basically, Ukraine is a cheap prostitute for EU.

You seem to be a grown up boy, Esay, but you still believe in fairy tales and try to bite that carrot EU showed you in 2013 but never allowed to try. You will become дедушка (grandpa), but yet your grandchildren won't see European future. Are those Western fairy tales (сказки про белого бычка) worth messed lives of all your countrymen?

One Ukrainian politician who was famous in the past but now left the scene once said ‘Don’t try to bring Ukraine to Europe, but try to build Europe in Ukraine’. Of course Europe doesn’t need such poor and corrupt country and there will need to be years to clean up the mess caused by almost 30 years of corruption and mislead. But it is we who must clean this up and it is in our interests in the first turn.

You can call the country you live in everything you want. It will change nothing and you relentless posting on this forum will change nothing, either. If you want to change something – do it. You are telling how Americans’ taxes go to support the ‘failed state’, but at the same time you yourself also pay taxes to the ‘junta’ including so-called military tax thanks to which so-called ATO against your fellows is ongoing. And you seem to be OK with it. How pathetic.

I hate to pay them taxes for killing our people. You?

I also hate to see West turning our country (including millions of those who never needed alleged "European future") into a cheap and foolish prostitute who is doing a blow job for EU not even for real money but for promised money. It’s unbelievable example of venality (продажности) and stupidity. Instead of marrying a guy like Russia for better and worse and feeling at least protected with him, Ukraine prefers to trade just about everything it has in common with Russia (the roots, the history, family connections, religion, the Russian language half a country considers as their first language, and so on and on) and to allow the West to use it as a cheap miserable prostitute. Do you think such a prostitute has any future? I don’t think so.

But that’s what happens to a country who’s willing to trade its sovereignty and to give it to the countries who don’t give a sh*t about it's future.

Poland seems to be a little more expensive prostitute for EU comparing to Ukraine, but even Poland is thinking about exiting from EU.
Head of European Council: Poland prepares to exit EU | CypLIVE

A lot European people (more and more each day) want to exit from EU, Ukraine is the only fool who still is dreaming to enter it. But it is not gonna happen for a number of reasons. The sooner people like you understand it the quicker something good may happen to our country.

It doesn’t matter hate you something or not. But if you call on someone to stop supporting the ‘junta’, then don’t support it yourself in the first turn.


It all depends from the point of view. You see prostitutes everywhere; I see the situation a little bit different.

Let’s imagine that there are parents who have a son. When the time to study in a high school came, they faced a dilemma – to which class they wanted their son to go.

In the first class there were mostly strong (in educational sense) pupils, and good teachers taught them. This class participated in many olympiads, competitions and always took one of the first places.
The second one consisted of not too bright pupils who never reached for the stars. Their teachers were not so smart people either and were more interested in paperwork than teaching the children.

The parents were realizing that their son belonged to the second class because he never was an excellent pupil, to put it mildly, and it would be more comfortable for him there. Учился бы не напрягаясь, в общем. But if they son studied in the first class, he could significantly increase his educational and cultural level as a whole. Of course, it would take a lot of efforts and time both from the parents and their son; there would be quarrels and scandals, significant deteriorating of his average marks especially on the first stage; a lot of money would be needed for private teachers because school lessons and help from parents would be not enough to achieve the goals (this would lead to cuts of the family’s budget) and so on.

And of course no one guaranteed that the son would achieve the wanted level at the end of the studying, everything might be in vain. But if he successfully finished the first class, then not only would he increase his educational and cultural level but also he would have an opportunity to enroll in some prestige college or something like that. At the same time the second class wouldn’t give him such an opportunity.

Now a question – if you were one of the parents, which one of the classes would you choose for your son? (though, you can consider that as a rhetorical question).


Your dreams about mass ‘exits’ from the EU will be only dreams for a long time. The elections in the Netherlands and France showed this and I am sure that the elections in Germany will show it too. Brexit is becoming more and more like a parody of what it was promised to be.
And of course there will be more members in the EU because some Balkan countries will join this union too, including Serbia. And you will have to get over it.
About your ‘number of reasons’. You know, more than three years ago your ilk was arguing that in a course of several months Ukraine would virtually cease to exist as a single country. There were also the various numbers of reasons at the time. But the dogs are barking but the caravan keeps going ahead.

Your ballade about a son is good if it was about parents. We are talking about stepparents, who are evil and only want profit for themselves, not the son. The son only needs to serve their purposes: in our case to hate Russia and to get more and more brainwashed each day to be easy to manipulate.

That’s the root of the problem: you give up your sovereignty and the people who don’t have anything to do with your mentality, history, genes, religion come to your country, seize the power unconstitutionally, control you from abroad, tell you whom to be friends with and deeply brainwash you every day to make as many people serve their dirty geopolitical goals as possible, not yours, Esay, not yours. The fact that some people from abroad came to your country, promised to bring democracy but started with violation of your constitution should have woken you up long time ago,

You seem to think you are smart. Then try to stop listen to Soros puppets Media and try to add 2 and 2 yourself. You may find out interesting things. For example, try to understand why official Kiev makes the population of Ukraine buy Russian gas from Europe. It’s still Russian gas, it has not become any holy gas just because it crossed Europe and came back to Ukrainian customer. But robbed and miserable Ukrainian customer (not official Kiev), who’s monthly retirement is about $50 and in a lot of cases is smaller than monthly utilities payments has to pay a lot more for it (about 30% more or so).

As for European people (not EU weak and dependent “leaders”) more and more of them are thinking EU was a bad idea. And Polish leaders are talking about exiting it for some reason, I didn’t put words into their mouth.

The European Union is like a same-sex couple who don't want the manly Putin to lead their adopted son on the road to heterosexuality.

 

[Stratford57]

The European Union is like a same-sex couple who don't want the manly Putin to lead their adopted son on the road to heterosexuality.

Deep State in USA hated to see good relationship of Germany and Russia benefiting both sides. So here comes Ukraine, which simply has been used as a pawn for harming both Germany and Russia. Over 40 million people in Ukraine became hostages of that dirty geopolitical game. Simple and primitive action but worked so darn good.

Esay has mentioned a saying: dogs are barking but the caravan keeps going ahead. Not correct in Ukrainian case: Ukraine is not going ahead, it's pushed on the Soros short leash back to jungles, quickly and efficiently. And only Ukrainians have been barking so far, Russia behaves herself with dignity.

George Friedman, Founder and Chairman of Stratfor:
This speech came after another interesting interview where he admits that the overthrow of Yanukovych was "the most blatant coup in history" and among other things the American "payback" for Russian involvement in Syria.
· The primordial interest of the United States for centuries (WWI, WWII and the Cold War) has been to stop a coalition between Germany and Russia.

• Germany is in very peculiar position and they have a very complex relationship with Russians.
• The Germans themselves don't know what to do and haven't made up their mind.
• For the US, the primordial fear is German capital and technology and Russian natural resources and manpower. This combination for centuries has scared the United States

Stratfor Chairman Straight-Talking: US Policy Is Driven by Imperative to Stop Coalition between Germany and Russia

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The European Union is like a same-sex couple who don't want the manly Putin to lead their adopted son on the road to heterosexuality.

Deep State in USA hated to see good relationship of Germany and Russia benefiting both sides. So here comes Ukraine, which simply has been used as a pawn for harming both Germany and Russia. Over 40 million people in Ukraine became hostages of that dirty geopolitical game. Simple and primitive action but worked so darn good.

Esay has mentioned a saying: dogs are barking but the caravan keeps going ahead. Not correct in Ukrainian case: Ukraine is not going ahead, it's pushed on the Soros short leash back to jungles, quickly and efficiently. And only Ukrainians have been barking so far, Russia behaves herself with dignity.

George Friedman, Founder and Chairman of Stratfor:
This speech came after another interesting interview where he admits that the overthrow of Yanukovych was "the most blatant coup in history" and among other things the American "payback" for Russian involvement in Syria.
· The primordial interest of the United States for centuries (WWI, WWII and the Cold War) has been to stop a coalition between Germany and Russia.

• Germany is in very peculiar position and they have a very complex relationship with Russians.
• The Germans themselves don't know what to do and haven't made up their mind.
• For the US, the primordial fear is German capital and technology and Russian natural resources and manpower. This combination for centuries has scared the United States

Stratfor Chairman Straight-Talking: US Policy Is Driven by Imperative to Stop Coalition between Germany and Russia

Degreed Means Degraded


Why can't it be American "capital and technology and Russian natural resources"? This unnecessary policy shows how simple-minded the academic-scum "experts" are. When will wake up to the unreliability of the Poison Ivy? Why should we let escapist nerds do our thinking for us?

 

[Stratford57]

The European Union is like a same-sex couple who don't want the manly Putin to lead their adopted son on the road to heterosexuality.

Deep State in USA hated to see good relationship of Germany and Russia benefiting both sides. So here comes Ukraine, which simply has been used as a pawn for harming both Germany and Russia. Over 40 million people in Ukraine became hostages of that dirty geopolitical game. Simple and primitive action but worked so darn good.

Esay has mentioned a saying: dogs are barking but the caravan keeps going ahead. Not correct in Ukrainian case: Ukraine is not going ahead, it's pushed on the Soros short leash back to jungles, quickly and efficiently. And only Ukrainians have been barking so far, Russia behaves herself with dignity.

George Friedman, Founder and Chairman of Stratfor:
This speech came after another interesting interview where he admits that the overthrow of Yanukovych was "the most blatant coup in history" and among other things the American "payback" for Russian involvement in Syria.
· The primordial interest of the United States for centuries (WWI, WWII and the Cold War) has been to stop a coalition between Germany and Russia.

• Germany is in very peculiar position and they have a very complex relationship with Russians.
• The Germans themselves don't know what to do and haven't made up their mind.
• For the US, the primordial fear is German capital and technology and Russian natural resources and manpower. This combination for centuries has scared the United States

Stratfor Chairman Straight-Talking: US Policy Is Driven by Imperative to Stop Coalition between Germany and Russia

Degreed Means Degraded


Why can't it be American "capital and technology and Russian natural resources"? This unnecessary policy shows how simple-minded the academic-scum "experts" are. When will wake up to the unreliability of the Poison Ivy? Why should we let escapist nerds do our thinking for us?

If Russia and USA cooperated together, all military complex would catastrophically lose a lot of money. That's the root of all artificially created bad relatonship between USA and Russia.

To counter the new Russian ‘threat’ not just to ‘democratic’ Ukraine, but to other countries in eastern Europe, we’re told we need a big increase in NATO ‘defense’ spending. And who does that benefit? Why, US defense contractors!

As Charlie Chaplin commented in his classic 1947 black comedy Monsieur Verdoux, "Wars, conflicts, it’s all business!"

By any objective assessment it's NATO - not Russia - with its build up of arms and soldiers on the borders of Russia, which threatens the peace of Europe. But anyone who points this out, and mentions the military alliance’s relentless Drang nach Osten, threatens the profits of US defense companies and is attacked as an ‘appeaser' or ‘Kremlin stooge’ by those with a vested financial interest in keeping tensions high.

It was a US President, Dwight D Eisenhower, who first warned us about the US military-industrial complex, back in 1961:“We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex”, he said.

No one could accuse Ike, the Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe in World War Two, of being a ‘pinko’ or a ‘Kremlin stooge’. But the situation is much worse today than it was back in Eisenhower’s day.

Neocons have embedded themselves in the corridors of power. They claim to be interested in spreading ‘democracy’, but the reality is that the neocon movement is all about money and profits.

How much longer will the citizens of the world put up with a situation in which warmongers with ties to the military-industrial complex are allowed to stoke up international tensions? The next time you read or hear someone issue stark warnings about the ‘Russian threat’ - and why NATO needs to hike its spending to deal with it - just follow the money trail.

Follow the money trail for source of 'Russian threat' paranoia
----

McCain released his own new defense budget: five years – five trillion dollar defense budget; a lot of that is aimed at Russia. It is great for the American military-industrial complex, which is what keeps John McCain in office. One of the reasons why he cannot stand Donald Trump and he could not stand to have any change in Washington’s anti-Russia policies… If anyone is hurting American democracy, it’s people like John McCain
‘John McCain passed dossier to make Trump look bad; now he’s trying to save his hide’
----

Russian President Vladimir Putin made the point that NATO needs a foreign enemy otherwise there would be no reason for its existence.
Articles: Putin and Trump on NATO
---

As it's becoming obvious especially with Trump's appearance on political arena, Deep State badly needs Russia as an enemy, not a friend and Deep State is doing its best brainwashing as many people in the world as possible to keep it that way. Too bad so many people are willing to give up their own brains so easily.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The European Union is like a same-sex couple who don't want the manly Putin to lead their adopted son on the road to heterosexuality.

Deep State in USA hated to see good relationship of Germany and Russia benefiting both sides. So here comes Ukraine, which simply has been used as a pawn for harming both Germany and Russia. Over 40 million people in Ukraine became hostages of that dirty geopolitical game. Simple and primitive action but worked so darn good.

Esay has mentioned a saying: dogs are barking but the caravan keeps going ahead. Not correct in Ukrainian case: Ukraine is not going ahead, it's pushed on the Soros short leash back to jungles, quickly and efficiently. And only Ukrainians have been barking so far, Russia behaves herself with dignity.

George Friedman, Founder and Chairman of Stratfor:
This speech came after another interesting interview where he admits that the overthrow of Yanukovych was "the most blatant coup in history" and among other things the American "payback" for Russian involvement in Syria.
· The primordial interest of the United States for centuries (WWI, WWII and the Cold War) has been to stop a coalition between Germany and Russia.

• Germany is in very peculiar position and they have a very complex relationship with Russians.
• The Germans themselves don't know what to do and haven't made up their mind.
• For the US, the primordial fear is German capital and technology and Russian natural resources and manpower. This combination for centuries has scared the United States

Stratfor Chairman Straight-Talking: US Policy Is Driven by Imperative to Stop Coalition between Germany and Russia

Degreed Means Degraded


Why can't it be American "capital and technology and Russian natural resources"? This unnecessary policy shows how simple-minded the academic-scum "experts" are. When will wake up to the unreliability of the Poison Ivy? Why should we let escapist nerds do our thinking for us?

If Russia and USA cooperated together, all military complex would catastrophically lose a lot of money. That's the root of all artificially created bad relatonship between USA and Russia.

To counter the new Russian ‘threat’ not just to ‘democratic’ Ukraine, but to other countries in eastern Europe, we’re told we need a big increase in NATO ‘defense’ spending. And who does that benefit? Why, US defense contractors!

As Charlie Chaplin commented in his classic 1947 black comedy Monsieur Verdoux, "Wars, conflicts, it’s all business!"

By any objective assessment it's NATO - not Russia - with its build up of arms and soldiers on the borders of Russia, which threatens the peace of Europe. But anyone who points this out, and mentions the military alliance’s relentless Drang nach Osten, threatens the profits of US defense companies and is attacked as an ‘appeaser' or ‘Kremlin stooge’ by those with a vested financial interest in keeping tensions high.

It was a US President, Dwight D Eisenhower, who first warned us about the US military-industrial complex, back in 1961:“We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex”, he said.

No one could accuse Ike, the Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe in World War Two, of being a ‘pinko’ or a ‘Kremlin stooge’. But the situation is much worse today than it was back in Eisenhower’s day.

Neocons have embedded themselves in the corridors of power. They claim to be interested in spreading ‘democracy’, but the reality is that the neocon movement is all about money and profits.

How much longer will the citizens of the world put up with a situation in which warmongers with ties to the military-industrial complex are allowed to stoke up international tensions? The next time you read or hear someone issue stark warnings about the ‘Russian threat’ - and why NATO needs to hike its spending to deal with it - just follow the money trail.

Follow the money trail for source of 'Russian threat' paranoia
----

McCain released his own new defense budget: five years – five trillion dollar defense budget; a lot of that is aimed at Russia. It is great for the American military-industrial complex, which is what keeps John McCain in office. One of the reasons why he cannot stand Donald Trump and he could not stand to have any change in Washington’s anti-Russia policies… If anyone is hurting American democracy, it’s people like John McCain
‘John McCain passed dossier to make Trump look bad; now he’s trying to save his hide’
----

Russian President Vladimir Putin made the point that NATO needs a foreign enemy otherwise there would be no reason for its existence.
Articles: Putin and Trump on NATO
---

As it's becoming obvious especially with Trump's appearance on political arena, Deep State badly needs Russia as an enemy, not a friend and Deep State is doing its best brainwashing as many people in the world as possible to keep it that way. Too bad so many people are willing to give up their own brains so easily.

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It's not the MIC's fault that it is being misused. We need it in order to take possession of all Muslim oilfields:

Russia takes Iran's
The formerly Great Britain takes Iraq's
India takes Kuwait's and the Emirates'
USA takes Saudi Arabia's
China takes Indonesia's
Whoever wants to make Europe great again takes North Africa's

 

[ESay]

The Russian deal would put Ukraine in debt because it offered a loan of 15 bln dollars on 2 years term. I doubt that Ukraine would pay this loan in this term even without all these events happening now and without austerity measures.

The Euromaidan happened not because of choice between two economical deals. It was a choice between two civilizations if it may be called that. Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society. Though, it will take many years and this adventure can be failed of course.

Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society.

But the Western world doesn't care what many Ukrainians want and Western World obviously doesn't need such a poor and hopelessly corrupt country in their society (and each day Ukraine only becomes more poor and more corrupt). They already have enough problems besides Ukraine: poor countries which they have to feed and wild crowds of Muslims who blow them up from time to time. If they need Ukraine it is for using it as a pawn against Russia and for sucking up everything possible from it. Basically, Ukraine is a cheap prostitute for EU.

You seem to be a grown up boy, Esay, but you still believe in fairy tales and try to bite that carrot EU showed you in 2013 but never allowed to try. You will become дедушка (grandpa), but yet your grandchildren won't see European future. Are those Western fairy tales (сказки про белого бычка) worth messed lives of all your countrymen?

One Ukrainian politician who was famous in the past but now left the scene once said ‘Don’t try to bring Ukraine to Europe, but try to build Europe in Ukraine’. Of course Europe doesn’t need such poor and corrupt country and there will need to be years to clean up the mess caused by almost 30 years of corruption and mislead. But it is we who must clean this up and it is in our interests in the first turn.

You can call the country you live in everything you want. It will change nothing and you relentless posting on this forum will change nothing, either. If you want to change something – do it. You are telling how Americans’ taxes go to support the ‘failed state’, but at the same time you yourself also pay taxes to the ‘junta’ including so-called military tax thanks to which so-called ATO against your fellows is ongoing. And you seem to be OK with it. How pathetic.

I hate to pay them taxes for killing our people. You?

I also hate to see West turning our country (including millions of those who never needed alleged "European future") into a cheap and foolish prostitute who is doing a blow job for EU not even for real money but for promised money. It’s unbelievable example of venality (продажности) and stupidity. Instead of marrying a guy like Russia for better and worse and feeling at least protected with him, Ukraine prefers to trade just about everything it has in common with Russia (the roots, the history, family connections, religion, the Russian language half a country considers as their first language, and so on and on) and to allow the West to use it as a cheap miserable prostitute. Do you think such a prostitute has any future? I don’t think so.

But that’s what happens to a country who’s willing to trade its sovereignty and to give it to the countries who don’t give a sh*t about it's future.

Poland seems to be a little more expensive prostitute for EU comparing to Ukraine, but even Poland is thinking about exiting from EU.
Head of European Council: Poland prepares to exit EU | CypLIVE

A lot European people (more and more each day) want to exit from EU, Ukraine is the only fool who still is dreaming to enter it. But it is not gonna happen for a number of reasons. The sooner people like you understand it the quicker something good may happen to our country.

It doesn’t matter hate you something or not. But if you call on someone to stop supporting the ‘junta’, then don’t support it yourself in the first turn.


It all depends from the point of view. You see prostitutes everywhere; I see the situation a little bit different.

Let’s imagine that there are parents who have a son. When the time to study in a high school came, they faced a dilemma – to which class they wanted their son to go.

In the first class there were mostly strong (in educational sense) pupils, and good teachers taught them. This class participated in many olympiads, competitions and always took one of the first places.
The second one consisted of not too bright pupils who never reached for the stars. Their teachers were not so smart people either and were more interested in paperwork than teaching the children.

The parents were realizing that their son belonged to the second class because he never was an excellent pupil, to put it mildly, and it would be more comfortable for him there. Учился бы не напрягаясь, в общем. But if they son studied in the first class, he could significantly increase his educational and cultural level as a whole. Of course, it would take a lot of efforts and time both from the parents and their son; there would be quarrels and scandals, significant deteriorating of his average marks especially on the first stage; a lot of money would be needed for private teachers because school lessons and help from parents would be not enough to achieve the goals (this would lead to cuts of the family’s budget) and so on.

And of course no one guaranteed that the son would achieve the wanted level at the end of the studying, everything might be in vain. But if he successfully finished the first class, then not only would he increase his educational and cultural level but also he would have an opportunity to enroll in some prestige college or something like that. At the same time the second class wouldn’t give him such an opportunity.

Now a question – if you were one of the parents, which one of the classes would you choose for your son? (though, you can consider that as a rhetorical question).


Your dreams about mass ‘exits’ from the EU will be only dreams for a long time. The elections in the Netherlands and France showed this and I am sure that the elections in Germany will show it too. Brexit is becoming more and more like a parody of what it was promised to be.
And of course there will be more members in the EU because some Balkan countries will join this union too, including Serbia. And you will have to get over it.
About your ‘number of reasons’. You know, more than three years ago your ilk was arguing that in a course of several months Ukraine would virtually cease to exist as a single country. There were also the various numbers of reasons at the time. But the dogs are barking but the caravan keeps going ahead.

Your ballade about a son is good if it was about parents. We are talking about stepparents, who are evil and only want profit for themselves, not the son. The son only needs to serve their purposes: in our case to hate Russia and to get more and more brainwashed each day to be easy to manipulate.

That’s the root of the problem: you give up your sovereignty and the people who don’t have anything to do with your mentality, history, genes, religion come to your country, seize the power unconstitutionally, control you from abroad, tell you whom to be friends with and deeply brainwash you every day to make as many people serve their dirty geopolitical goals as possible, not yours, Esay, not yours. The fact that some people from abroad came to your country, promised to bring democracy but started with violation of your constitution should have woken you up long time ago,

You seem to think you are smart. Then try to stop listen to Soros puppets Media and try to add 2 and 2 yourself. You may find out interesting things. For example, try to understand why official Kiev makes the population of Ukraine buy Russian gas from Europe. It’s still Russian gas, it has not become any holy gas just because it crossed Europe and came back to Ukrainian customer. But robbed and miserable Ukrainian customer (not official Kiev), who’s monthly retirement is about $50 and in a lot of cases is smaller than monthly utilities payments has to pay a lot more for it (about 30% more or so).

As for European people (not EU weak and dependent “leaders”) more and more of them are thinking EU was a bad idea. And Polish leaders are talking about exiting it for some reason, I didn’t put words into their mouth.

It seems you didn’t understand my ballade properly. The parents and the son are a whole; it is we and our country.


I don’t think that we and the Russians have similar mentality. On the contrary, despite cultural and linguistic similarity, there is an abyss lying between us.


The US or say Germany have democracy?


Of course it is Russian gas. According to Ukrainian officials, at the time of signing of the deals on re-export it was more profitable to buy gas from Slovakia (Russian gas) than directly from Russia on the terms of contract between Naftogaz and Gazprom. It may well be that situation is different now. The sticking point is the amount of discount which Russia agrees to give Ukraine to the base price. Anyway, I don’t think that the direct supplies will be until the Stockholm Arbitrage makes its final decision.


Poland leaving the EU? Considering billions of euros flowing to Poland from the EU budget, it looks like a joke. Keep dreaming.

 

[Stratford57]

Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society.

But the Western world doesn't care what many Ukrainians want and Western World obviously doesn't need such a poor and hopelessly corrupt country in their society (and each day Ukraine only becomes more poor and more corrupt). They already have enough problems besides Ukraine: poor countries which they have to feed and wild crowds of Muslims who blow them up from time to time. If they need Ukraine it is for using it as a pawn against Russia and for sucking up everything possible from it. Basically, Ukraine is a cheap prostitute for EU.

You seem to be a grown up boy, Esay, but you still believe in fairy tales and try to bite that carrot EU showed you in 2013 but never allowed to try. You will become дедушка (grandpa), but yet your grandchildren won't see European future. Are those Western fairy tales (сказки про белого бычка) worth messed lives of all your countrymen?

One Ukrainian politician who was famous in the past but now left the scene once said ‘Don’t try to bring Ukraine to Europe, but try to build Europe in Ukraine’. Of course Europe doesn’t need such poor and corrupt country and there will need to be years to clean up the mess caused by almost 30 years of corruption and mislead. But it is we who must clean this up and it is in our interests in the first turn.

You can call the country you live in everything you want. It will change nothing and you relentless posting on this forum will change nothing, either. If you want to change something – do it. You are telling how Americans’ taxes go to support the ‘failed state’, but at the same time you yourself also pay taxes to the ‘junta’ including so-called military tax thanks to which so-called ATO against your fellows is ongoing. And you seem to be OK with it. How pathetic.

I hate to pay them taxes for killing our people. You?

I also hate to see West turning our country (including millions of those who never needed alleged "European future") into a cheap and foolish prostitute who is doing a blow job for EU not even for real money but for promised money. It’s unbelievable example of venality (продажности) and stupidity. Instead of marrying a guy like Russia for better and worse and feeling at least protected with him, Ukraine prefers to trade just about everything it has in common with Russia (the roots, the history, family connections, religion, the Russian language half a country considers as their first language, and so on and on) and to allow the West to use it as a cheap miserable prostitute. Do you think such a prostitute has any future? I don’t think so.

But that’s what happens to a country who’s willing to trade its sovereignty and to give it to the countries who don’t give a sh*t about it's future.

Poland seems to be a little more expensive prostitute for EU comparing to Ukraine, but even Poland is thinking about exiting from EU.
Head of European Council: Poland prepares to exit EU | CypLIVE

A lot European people (more and more each day) want to exit from EU, Ukraine is the only fool who still is dreaming to enter it. But it is not gonna happen for a number of reasons. The sooner people like you understand it the quicker something good may happen to our country.

It doesn’t matter hate you something or not. But if you call on someone to stop supporting the ‘junta’, then don’t support it yourself in the first turn.


It all depends from the point of view. You see prostitutes everywhere; I see the situation a little bit different.

Let’s imagine that there are parents who have a son. When the time to study in a high school came, they faced a dilemma – to which class they wanted their son to go.

In the first class there were mostly strong (in educational sense) pupils, and good teachers taught them. This class participated in many olympiads, competitions and always took one of the first places.
The second one consisted of not too bright pupils who never reached for the stars. Their teachers were not so smart people either and were more interested in paperwork than teaching the children.

The parents were realizing that their son belonged to the second class because he never was an excellent pupil, to put it mildly, and it would be more comfortable for him there. Учился бы не напрягаясь, в общем. But if they son studied in the first class, he could significantly increase his educational and cultural level as a whole. Of course, it would take a lot of efforts and time both from the parents and their son; there would be quarrels and scandals, significant deteriorating of his average marks especially on the first stage; a lot of money would be needed for private teachers because school lessons and help from parents would be not enough to achieve the goals (this would lead to cuts of the family’s budget) and so on.

And of course no one guaranteed that the son would achieve the wanted level at the end of the studying, everything might be in vain. But if he successfully finished the first class, then not only would he increase his educational and cultural level but also he would have an opportunity to enroll in some prestige college or something like that. At the same time the second class wouldn’t give him such an opportunity.

Now a question – if you were one of the parents, which one of the classes would you choose for your son? (though, you can consider that as a rhetorical question).


Your dreams about mass ‘exits’ from the EU will be only dreams for a long time. The elections in the Netherlands and France showed this and I am sure that the elections in Germany will show it too. Brexit is becoming more and more like a parody of what it was promised to be.
And of course there will be more members in the EU because some Balkan countries will join this union too, including Serbia. And you will have to get over it.
About your ‘number of reasons’. You know, more than three years ago your ilk was arguing that in a course of several months Ukraine would virtually cease to exist as a single country. There were also the various numbers of reasons at the time. But the dogs are barking but the caravan keeps going ahead.

Your ballade about a son is good if it was about parents. We are talking about stepparents, who are evil and only want profit for themselves, not the son. The son only needs to serve their purposes: in our case to hate Russia and to get more and more brainwashed each day to be easy to manipulate.

That’s the root of the problem: you give up your sovereignty and the people who don’t have anything to do with your mentality, history, genes, religion come to your country, seize the power unconstitutionally, control you from abroad, tell you whom to be friends with and deeply brainwash you every day to make as many people serve their dirty geopolitical goals as possible, not yours, Esay, not yours. The fact that some people from abroad came to your country, promised to bring democracy but started with violation of your constitution should have woken you up long time ago,

You seem to think you are smart. Then try to stop listen to Soros puppets Media and try to add 2 and 2 yourself. You may find out interesting things. For example, try to understand why official Kiev makes the population of Ukraine buy Russian gas from Europe. It’s still Russian gas, it has not become any holy gas just because it crossed Europe and came back to Ukrainian customer. But robbed and miserable Ukrainian customer (not official Kiev), who’s monthly retirement is about $50 and in a lot of cases is smaller than monthly utilities payments has to pay a lot more for it (about 30% more or so).

As for European people (not EU weak and dependent “leaders”) more and more of them are thinking EU was a bad idea. And Polish leaders are talking about exiting it for some reason, I didn’t put words into their mouth.

It seems you didn’t understand my ballade properly. The parents and the son are a whole; it is we and our country.


I don’t think that we and the Russians have similar mentality. On the contrary, despite cultural and linguistic similarity, there is an abyss lying between us.


The US or say Germany have democracy?


Of course it is Russian gas. According to Ukrainian officials, at the time of signing of the deals on re-export it was more profitable to buy gas from Slovakia (Russian gas) than directly from Russia on the terms of contract between Naftogaz and Gazprom. It may well be that situation is different now. The sticking point is the amount of discount which Russia agrees to give Ukraine to the base price. Anyway, I don’t think that the direct supplies will be until the Stockholm Arbitrage makes its final decision.


Poland leaving the EU? Considering billions of euros flowing to Poland from the EU budget, it looks like a joke. Keep dreaming.

Seems like substitute the facts is your favorite occupation, Esay. I don't have ANY dreams about Europe, in fact, I don't give a sh*t about it. I just gave you a link form the Internet (which you trust so much) with some talks about it.

Moreover, there is a new book (2017) The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray:

People from Africa and the Middle East are pouring into the EU at an astounding rate. Most have no jobs skills so they will have to be supported by the government or become Criminals. The EU will never be able to support all of Africa or so many from the Middle East. In short order most of the EU will third world countries then people will be sneaking into Russia. Make no mistake, these people for the most part are not war refugees they are economic immigrants wanting to be taken care of.

Murray takes a step back at each stage and looks at the bigger and deeper issues which lie behind a continent's possible demise, from an atmosphere of mass terror attacks to the steady erosion of our freedoms. The audiobook addresses the disappointing failure of multiculturalism, Angela Merkel's U-turn on migration, the lack of repatriation, and the Western fixation on guilt. Murray travels to Berlin, Paris, Scandinavia, Lampedusa, and Greece to uncover the malaise at the very heart of the European culture and to hear the stories of those who have arrived in Europe from far away.

The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam
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Crimeans returned to Russia and now since 2014 despite of all the attempts of official Kiev to block Crimea from water and electricity Crimea is going up (slowly) and Ukraine is rolling down (very quickly).

I know several Crimeans currently living in USA, who rushed back to Crimea to drop Ukrainian citizenship and to obtain Russian citizenship. One woman decided to move to Crimea from USA for good after Crimea returned to Russia. Everybody I know from Crimea (or friends/relatives of my friends) are very happy about their reunification with Russia and feel sorry watching how Ukraine becomes more and more poor and corrupt each day, where only crooks and Nazis are feeling good and free.
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Tthe delegation of French parliamentarians led by member of National Assembly, ex-Minister of transport of France Thierry Mariani visited the Crimea with a three-day visit. “Those who describe the Crimea as occupied territory, you’d better have been there and seen what is happening… Crimea has chosen its path in the referendum” — said Mariani at the press conference in Moscow.

Thierry Mariani: Better to be Crimean Tatar than Russian in Baltics
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In 2016 Ukraine officially became the poorest country in Europe.
Ukraine Becoming Poorest Country in Europe Amid IMF-Mandated Austerity
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If Ukraine wants to survive, it needs to be with Russia. If Western Ukraine wants to join Europe, it’s fine: Eastern Ukraine must be allowed to have referendums in each oblast to decide whom they want to be with: Russian brothers or European strangers. That would at least be a democratic way. You may want to waste all your life to wait till Europe adopts you, but there are millions of people in Ukraine who don’t.

One thing is for sure: if we were in charge and you guys wanted to separate from us we would neither start a war against you nor force you to stay with us as hostages. Think about it.

 

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Many Ukrainians don’t want to live in ‘Russian world’ but want to integrate into the Western society.

But the Western world doesn't care what many Ukrainians want and Western World obviously doesn't need such a poor and hopelessly corrupt country in their society (and each day Ukraine only becomes more poor and more corrupt). They already have enough problems besides Ukraine: poor countries which they have to feed and wild crowds of Muslims who blow them up from time to time. If they need Ukraine it is for using it as a pawn against Russia and for sucking up everything possible from it. Basically, Ukraine is a cheap prostitute for EU.

You seem to be a grown up boy, Esay, but you still believe in fairy tales and try to bite that carrot EU showed you in 2013 but never allowed to try. You will become дедушка (grandpa), but yet your grandchildren won't see European future. Are those Western fairy tales (сказки про белого бычка) worth messed lives of all your countrymen?

One Ukrainian politician who was famous in the past but now left the scene once said ‘Don’t try to bring Ukraine to Europe, but try to build Europe in Ukraine’. Of course Europe doesn’t need such poor and corrupt country and there will need to be years to clean up the mess caused by almost 30 years of corruption and mislead. But it is we who must clean this up and it is in our interests in the first turn.

You can call the country you live in everything you want. It will change nothing and you relentless posting on this forum will change nothing, either. If you want to change something – do it. You are telling how Americans’ taxes go to support the ‘failed state’, but at the same time you yourself also pay taxes to the ‘junta’ including so-called military tax thanks to which so-called ATO against your fellows is ongoing. And you seem to be OK with it. How pathetic.

I hate to pay them taxes for killing our people. You?

I also hate to see West turning our country (including millions of those who never needed alleged "European future") into a cheap and foolish prostitute who is doing a blow job for EU not even for real money but for promised money. It’s unbelievable example of venality (продажности) and stupidity. Instead of marrying a guy like Russia for better and worse and feeling at least protected with him, Ukraine prefers to trade just about everything it has in common with Russia (the roots, the history, family connections, religion, the Russian language half a country considers as their first language, and so on and on) and to allow the West to use it as a cheap miserable prostitute. Do you think such a prostitute has any future? I don’t think so.

But that’s what happens to a country who’s willing to trade its sovereignty and to give it to the countries who don’t give a sh*t about it's future.

Poland seems to be a little more expensive prostitute for EU comparing to Ukraine, but even Poland is thinking about exiting from EU.
Head of European Council: Poland prepares to exit EU | CypLIVE

A lot European people (more and more each day) want to exit from EU, Ukraine is the only fool who still is dreaming to enter it. But it is not gonna happen for a number of reasons. The sooner people like you understand it the quicker something good may happen to our country.

It doesn’t matter hate you something or not. But if you call on someone to stop supporting the ‘junta’, then don’t support it yourself in the first turn.


It all depends from the point of view. You see prostitutes everywhere; I see the situation a little bit different.

Let’s imagine that there are parents who have a son. When the time to study in a high school came, they faced a dilemma – to which class they wanted their son to go.

In the first class there were mostly strong (in educational sense) pupils, and good teachers taught them. This class participated in many olympiads, competitions and always took one of the first places.
The second one consisted of not too bright pupils who never reached for the stars. Their teachers were not so smart people either and were more interested in paperwork than teaching the children.

The parents were realizing that their son belonged to the second class because he never was an excellent pupil, to put it mildly, and it would be more comfortable for him there. Учился бы не напрягаясь, в общем. But if they son studied in the first class, he could significantly increase his educational and cultural level as a whole. Of course, it would take a lot of efforts and time both from the parents and their son; there would be quarrels and scandals, significant deteriorating of his average marks especially on the first stage; a lot of money would be needed for private teachers because school lessons and help from parents would be not enough to achieve the goals (this would lead to cuts of the family’s budget) and so on.

And of course no one guaranteed that the son would achieve the wanted level at the end of the studying, everything might be in vain. But if he successfully finished the first class, then not only would he increase his educational and cultural level but also he would have an opportunity to enroll in some prestige college or something like that. At the same time the second class wouldn’t give him such an opportunity.

Now a question – if you were one of the parents, which one of the classes would you choose for your son? (though, you can consider that as a rhetorical question).


Your dreams about mass ‘exits’ from the EU will be only dreams for a long time. The elections in the Netherlands and France showed this and I am sure that the elections in Germany will show it too. Brexit is becoming more and more like a parody of what it was promised to be.
And of course there will be more members in the EU because some Balkan countries will join this union too, including Serbia. And you will have to get over it.
About your ‘number of reasons’. You know, more than three years ago your ilk was arguing that in a course of several months Ukraine would virtually cease to exist as a single country. There were also the various numbers of reasons at the time. But the dogs are barking but the caravan keeps going ahead.

Your ballade about a son is good if it was about parents. We are talking about stepparents, who are evil and only want profit for themselves, not the son. The son only needs to serve their purposes: in our case to hate Russia and to get more and more brainwashed each day to be easy to manipulate.

That’s the root of the problem: you give up your sovereignty and the people who don’t have anything to do with your mentality, history, genes, religion come to your country, seize the power unconstitutionally, control you from abroad, tell you whom to be friends with and deeply brainwash you every day to make as many people serve their dirty geopolitical goals as possible, not yours, Esay, not yours. The fact that some people from abroad came to your country, promised to bring democracy but started with violation of your constitution should have woken you up long time ago,

You seem to think you are smart. Then try to stop listen to Soros puppets Media and try to add 2 and 2 yourself. You may find out interesting things. For example, try to understand why official Kiev makes the population of Ukraine buy Russian gas from Europe. It’s still Russian gas, it has not become any holy gas just because it crossed Europe and came back to Ukrainian customer. But robbed and miserable Ukrainian customer (not official Kiev), who’s monthly retirement is about $50 and in a lot of cases is smaller than monthly utilities payments has to pay a lot more for it (about 30% more or so).

As for European people (not EU weak and dependent “leaders”) more and more of them are thinking EU was a bad idea. And Polish leaders are talking about exiting it for some reason, I didn’t put words into their mouth.

The European Union is like a same-sex couple who don't want the manly Putin to lead their adopted son on the road to heterosexuality.

This weekend the EU has shown the true face of their "democracy" by supporting Madrid blocking Catalan referendum and beating hundreds of the referendum participants instead of condemning Madrid actions.

When we were demanding referendum about federalization in Ukraine after 2014 anti-constitutional coup, which "democratic" EU supported, no Western Media even bothered to show our numerous mass protests in all the big cities of Eastern Ukraine (2 times a week for 3-4 months until Poroshenko started an all out war against the civilians in Donbass). On May 2, 2014 in Odessa official Kiev burned about a hundred of peaceful protesters alive and even after that the EU did not condemn official Kiev.

The EU is mired in double standards. No wonder Europeans say: "I love Europe, I hate the EU!"