Purported bin Laden message condemns Europe

[Gunny]

(CNN) -- A new statement attributed to al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden condemns European countries for siding with the United States in Afghanistan and for allowing the publication of cartoons considered insulting to Islam's prophet, Mohammed.

"This is the greater and more serious tragedy, and the reckoning for it will be more severe," the speaker in the five-minute audio recording says.

Mocking Islam's founder violated "the etiquettes of dispute and fighting," warned the voice attributed to bin Laden.

He said Muslims have not responded by mocking Jesus, whom they consider a prophet as well.

"The laws of men which clash with the legislation of Allah the Most High are null and void, aren't sacred and don't matter to us," he said.

The speaker dismissed claims of free speech in his statement, citing European countries' laws against denying the existence of the Holocaust.

He also said "the crownless king in Riyadh" -- Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah -- could have prevented the publication of the cartoons "if it mattered to him."

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"If there is no check on the freedom of your words, then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions," he said.

more ... http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/03/19/binladen.message/index.html

This dude SERIOUSLY needs to get over himself.

 

[onedomino]

Mocking Islam's founder violated "the etiquettes of dispute and fighting," warned the voice attributed to bin Laden.

He must be referring to the Al Qaeda "etiquette of dispute and fighting" that involves murdering non-combatants and beheading prisoners.

 

[eots]

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http://www.911lies.org/fake_bin_laden.html

 

[jillian]

Even he regular press doesn't seem to think the tape was Bin Laden or, at least wasn't done recently.

 

[Gunny]

Even he regular press doesn't seem to think the tape was Bin Laden or, at least wasn't done recently.

It may or may not be. The message is the same, either way. Those who offend AQ's warped version of Islam will "pay."

 

[Diuretic]

George Orwell. Nineteen Eighty-Four.


Jeez isn't anyone reading it?

 

[Paulie]

Zbigniew Brzezinski, who fathered the modern times' political tactic of radical Islam, and who is also Barack Obama's foreign policy advisor, once made a very telling statement that was published in his book The Grand Chessboard. One which practically mirrors a statement made by Herman Goering at the Nuremburg trials, and also one made by Julius Caesar.

"Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat."

It's always been throughout history, the preferred method to get the masses to accept wars. The Romans used the tactic, the Nazis used it, and I'm afraid the US is also using it. It works EVERY SINGLE TIME. So why NOT use it?

You have to wonder why someone like Zbig would say that publicly. It's like he's admitting to your face that your being bullshitted.

 

[Paulie]

He must be referring to the Al Qaeda "etiquette of dispute and fighting" that involves murdering non-combatants and beheading prisoners.

Lucky for us, since we're AMERICA, it's ok for US to murder non-combatants and torture the shit out of prisoners.

 

[mattskramer]

This dude SERIOUSLY needs to get over himself.

He supposedly manages to convince several people to commit suicidal attacks flying into towers and killing thousands. He apparently manages to avoid betting captured or killed when practically all of America and its allies are after him and he has a multi-million dollar bounty on his head.

I can understand how that might affect one’s psyche.

 

[Paulie]

when practically all of America and its allies are after him

Um, you sure about that?

 

[mattskramer]

Um, you sure about that?

The President of the United States – with the military at his disposal, with a war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

[Gunny]

Lucky for us, since we're AMERICA, it's ok for US to murder non-combatants and torture the shit out of prisoners.

Incorrect. Both are violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and Geneva Conventions.

Art. 93. Cruelty and maltreatment

Any person subject to this chapter who is guilty of cruelty toward, or oppression or maltreatment of, any person subject to his orders shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

918. Art. 118. Murder

Any person subject to this chapter who, without justification or excuse, unlawfully kills a human being, when he— (1) has a premeditated design to kill; (2) intends to kill or inflict great bodily harm; (3) is engaged in an act which is inherently dangerous to another and evinces a wanton disregard of human life; or (4) is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of burglary, sodomy, rape, robbery, or aggravated arson;
is guilty of murder, and shall suffer such punishment as a court-martial may direct, except that if found guilty under clause (1) or (4), he shall suffer death or imprisonment for life as a court-martial may direct.
§ 919. Art. 119. Manslaughter

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who, with an intent to kill or inflict great bodily harm, unlawfully kills a human being in the heat of sudden passion caused by adequate provocation is guilty of voluntary manslaughter and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. (b) Any person subject to this chapter who, without an intent to kill or inflict great bodily harm, unlawfully kills a human being—
(1) by culpable negligence; or (2) while perpetrating or attempting to perpetrate an offense, other than those named in clause (4) of section 918 of this title (article 118), directly affecting the person;
is guilty of involuntary manslaughter and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

http://www.armystudyguide.com/conte...itary_justice/punitive-articles-of-the-.shtml

I. International Humanitarian Law and the Geneva Conventions

The primary source of international humanitarian law (also called the laws of war) is the four Geneva Conventions of 1949, which the United States ratified in 1955. The Third Geneva Convention concerns prisoners-of-war; the Fourth Geneva Convention safeguards so-called “protected persons,” most simply described as detained civilians. Detainees must at all times be humanely treated (Geneva III, art. 13, Geneva IV, art. 27). Detainees may be questioned, but any form of “physical or mental coercion” is prohibited (Geneva III, art. 17; Geneva IV, art. 31). Women shall be protected from rape and any form of indecent assault (Geneva IV, art. 27).

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2004/05/24/usint8614.htm

So no, it ain't okay.

 

[mattskramer]

Incorrect. Both are violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and Geneva Conventions.



http://www.armystudyguide.com/conte...itary_justice/punitive-articles-of-the-.shtml



http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2004/05/24/usint8614.htm

So no, it ain't okay.

Yeah, but who dares arrest and hold America accountable for what it does?

 

[Diuretic]

Yeah, but who dares arrest and hold America accountable for what it does?

I'd say it's a self-correcting mechanism. Democracies are like that.

 

[Toro]

There's a Dutch film that will be released on the Internet on March 28 calling Mohammed a fascist. There have already been demonstrations against the film in the middle east and some have been making threats against the Netherlands. This is the next big controversy.

 

[Paulie]

Incorrect. Both are violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and Geneva Conventions.

So no, it ain't okay.

Well then why do we do it?

 

[AllieBaba]

Gosh, I thought the Europeans were safe from bin Laden because they pander to radical Islam!

Shows you how effective "trying to get along" is.

 

[eots]

or does it show how easy it is to pull your puppet strings with a little bit of movie magic

 

[Paulie]

Gosh, I thought the Europeans were safe from bin Laden because they pander to radical Islam!

Shows you how effective "trying to get along" is.

Europe as a whole doesn't pander to radical islam. The countries that Bin Laden refers to would be the ones who stay in lockstep with US foreign policy.

Please tell me that after almost 7 years of being able to find everything you need to know about Bin Laden, that you still don't understand why he's been so pissed?