Protesters Carrying Rifle Outside Obama Rally

[DiveCon]

So why are they called 'pirates'?

it said "POLICE" on the side of the truck
LOL
and last i knew, the city of Mesa owned the park and they run the POLICE Department
so, i guess they did have the right to have that mobile command unit in the part to serve the area

ONLY if the police confiscate the park and make it their own.

Geez. Didn't you learn anything from the video???

And now that we know the background of (at least 4 of) those who were carrying during the rally...still think it's no biggie?

But then again, they were probably more worried about the pirates and traffic cams than they were about starting an uprising.

yes, i STILL think its no biggie
they are nutters
LOL

 

[ABikerSailor]

Link please.

Listen idiot.......just watch that crap sometime. Remember just a little while when Blech said that Obama was a racist? FAUX News denounced his statement and distanced themselves.

Still don't understand why that ****** wasn't fired.

Why do you watch that crap?

Gotta keep a watch on the idiots at the back.

Or, as Green Day says, "know your enemy".

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It's not a real bright idea to carry a weapon to a rally, but it is not illegal in Arizona or Texas for that matter. In fact, since I have a right to conceal and carry, I could conceal it while at the rally. The difference here is that since we have had so many presidents killed and wounded in the past, the secret service must have the unconstitutional right to limit firearms at rallies where the president is to speak.

They already HAVE the right to establish any perimeter they want and to enforce no weapons inside that perimeter. Which is EXACTLY why these fake tears and whines are so stupid. If any of those guys were any kind of threat AT ALL, the Secret Service would have had the Cops arrest them. Or they would have done it themselves.

That would be why the Secret Service STATED for the RECORD no threat existed by them being where they were.

 

[Emma]

It's not a real bright idea to carry a weapon to a rally, but it is not illegal in Arizona or Texas for that matter. In fact, since I have a right to conceal and carry, I could conceal it while at the rally. The difference here is that since we have had so many presidents killed and wounded in the past, the secret service must have the unconstitutional right to limit firearms at rallies where the president is to speak.

They already HAVE the right to establish any perimeter they want and to enforce no weapons inside that perimeter. Which is EXACTLY why these fake tears and whines are so stupid. If any of those guys were any kind of threat AT ALL, the Secret Service would have had the Cops arrest them. Or they would have done it themselves.

That would be why the Secret Service STATED for the RECORD no threat existed by them being where they were.

There were two cops dedicated to following "chris" around. I wonder if they did that for each of the dozen or so carrying? And also, the cops said they were working in concert with (and I'd assume direction of) the secret service ... do you think there was a 'line' that if crossed, they would have been arrested? If so, do you think they'd warn the people of their limits, or just wait for them to screw up?

Keep in mind, we're talking about the pirates here!

 

[Emma]

That would be why the Secret Service STATED for the RECORD no threat existed by them being where they were.

That's probably true, but I certainly don't expect the secret service to tip their hand and be specific about what they do or do not consider a threat. They aren't going to make a (public) big deal about any of this because it would only encourage others who might not be as restrained as apparently these people were. Have you ever heard any specifics about secret service investigations? That new book about the service says they keep that stuff close to their chest and don't talk about them because of risk of "copy cat" incidents. So I'm not surprised at all by their measured response.

But I guarantee you these people were on their radar, big time.

 

[DiveCon]

It's not a real bright idea to carry a weapon to a rally, but it is not illegal in Arizona or Texas for that matter. In fact, since I have a right to conceal and carry, I could conceal it while at the rally. The difference here is that since we have had so many presidents killed and wounded in the past, the secret service must have the unconstitutional right to limit firearms at rallies where the president is to speak.

They already HAVE the right to establish any perimeter they want and to enforce no weapons inside that perimeter. Which is EXACTLY why these fake tears and whines are so stupid. If any of those guys were any kind of threat AT ALL, the Secret Service would have had the Cops arrest them. Or they would have done it themselves.

That would be why the Secret Service STATED for the RECORD no threat existed by them being where they were.

There were two cops dedicated to following "chris" around. I wonder if they did that for each of the dozen or so carrying? And also, the cops said they were working in concert with (and I'd assume direction of) the secret service ... do you think there was a 'line' that if crossed, they would have been arrested? If so, do you think they'd warn the people of their limits, or just wait for them to screw up?

Keep in mind, we're talking about the pirates here!

then who watched the other "dozen or so" carrying guns?
LOL
i dont think these nuts were a threat and likely only had passing supervison

 

[caela]

If i carry a gun on a plane what will happen to me, if I carry a gun on any public transportation what will people think, if I carry a gun into the bank am I within my right then too. Does it not send a message hell no just places you should not be carrying a weapon.
1. Common Sense.
2. There is no freaking point to it.
3. People do stupid things.

As one goes does the flock and there is always a crazy-bastid in the flock.

Common sense of which you obviously lack. They were not in a bank or on a plane or riding public transportation. They were within their rights to be armed, what part of that do you not understand?

Now I have to call you an asshole for that.

If its legal why don't they carry their guns to the bank, on public transportation and on a plane then?

Stop being so wilfully DENSE.

Actually in AZ they can carry their guns into a bank and on public transportation so long as they carry them openly and not concealed. Granted if you walk into a bank with a gun on your hip you are probably going to have security keeping a very close eye on you, if not escorting you out because you pose a specific risk of robbing the place. On public transportation there's not a whole lot that can be done. As for the plane thing that often involved traveling across state lines and each state has differing rules, not to mention all the federal guidelines as well that bar you from carrying weapons on a flight which is why you don't see guns there.

Carrying into a bank may not be smart but it's not necessarily illegal either unless it is a federal bank and thus would fall under the mandate of no guns being allowed in State and Federal building as well as places like hospitals and schools.

 

[Emma]

They already HAVE the right to establish any perimeter they want and to enforce no weapons inside that perimeter. Which is EXACTLY why these fake tears and whines are so stupid. If any of those guys were any kind of threat AT ALL, the Secret Service would have had the Cops arrest them. Or they would have done it themselves.

That would be why the Secret Service STATED for the RECORD no threat existed by them being where they were.

There were two cops dedicated to following "chris" around. I wonder if they did that for each of the dozen or so carrying? And also, the cops said they were working in concert with (and I'd assume direction of) the secret service ... do you think there was a 'line' that if crossed, they would have been arrested? If so, do you think they'd warn the people of their limits, or just wait for them to screw up?

Keep in mind, we're talking about the pirates here!

then who watched the other "dozen or so" carrying guns?
LOL
i dont think these nuts were a threat and likely only had passing supervison

It was reported in several places (and the interviewer and chris even mentioned it) that there were two shadowing him. Why just shadow him? (other than he belongs to the nutters LOL) Wouldn't they have assigned people to watch the other people too? And if it was because of Hancock's group, there were at least 4 of them carrying (hancock, chris, woman interviewed, and the dumbass who asked chris to water the tree of liberty).

 

[Emma]

Common sense of which you obviously lack. They were not in a bank or on a plane or riding public transportation. They were within their rights to be armed, what part of that do you not understand?

Now I have to call you an asshole for that.

If its legal why don't they carry their guns to the bank, on public transportation and on a plane then?

Stop being so wilfully DENSE.

Actually in AZ they can carry their guns into a bank and on public transportation so long as they carry them openly and not concealed. Granted if you walk into a bank with a gun on your hip you are probably going to have security keeping a very close eye on you, if not escorting you out because you pose a specific risk of robbing the place. On public transportation there's not a whole lot that can be done. As for the plane thing that often involved traveling across state lines and each state has differing rules, not to mention all the federal guidelines as well that bar you from carrying weapons on a flight which is why you don't see guns there.

Carrying into a bank may not be smart but it's not necessarily illegal either unless it is a federal bank and thus would fall under the mandate of no guns being allowed in State and Federal building as well as places like hospitals and schools.

Aren't all banks considered Federal? I mean it's a Federal crime to rob a bank? In any case, I can see being allowed to carry in public places, but private business should have the absolute right to deny firearms on their property.

 

[DiveCon]

There were two cops dedicated to following "chris" around. I wonder if they did that for each of the dozen or so carrying? And also, the cops said they were working in concert with (and I'd assume direction of) the secret service ... do you think there was a 'line' that if crossed, they would have been arrested? If so, do you think they'd warn the people of their limits, or just wait for them to screw up?

Keep in mind, we're talking about the pirates here!

then who watched the other "dozen or so" carrying guns?
LOL
i dont think these nuts were a threat and likely only had passing supervison

It was reported in several places (and the interviewer and chris even mentioned it) that there were two shadowing him. Why just shadow him? (other than he belongs to the nutters LOL) Wouldn't they have assigned people to watch the other people too? And if it was because of Hancock's group, there were at least 4 of them carrying (hancock, chris, woman interviewed, and the dumbass who asked chris to water the tree of liberty).

well, it seems a lot of the nutters are either Ron Paul supporters or Laruche people
that means they are less than about 2% of the electorate
not something to really be scared of

 

[JakeStarkey]

shoot, divecon, you are a nth% by yourself.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yeah.........nothing to be scared of a person walking around with a gun in an open carry state.

Keep telling yourself that. Then go talk to the people who have lost family members to crazed gunmen. Remember.........most of their family members said they had no idea that the person was ready to go snappy.

Tell that to the families of those that Cho took out. He was hidden also until he killed all those people. Tell that to the families of those on that street in the south where a guy drove down the street, killing all those people on their porches.

Tell that to the families of the DC Sniper.

Yeah........right........nothing to worry about........

 

[caela]

Now I have to call you an asshole for that.

If its legal why don't they carry their guns to the bank, on public transportation and on a plane then?

Stop being so wilfully DENSE.

Actually in AZ they can carry their guns into a bank and on public transportation so long as they carry them openly and not concealed. Granted if you walk into a bank with a gun on your hip you are probably going to have security keeping a very close eye on you, if not escorting you out because you pose a specific risk of robbing the place. On public transportation there's not a whole lot that can be done. As for the plane thing that often involved traveling across state lines and each state has differing rules, not to mention all the federal guidelines as well that bar you from carrying weapons on a flight which is why you don't see guns there.

Carrying into a bank may not be smart but it's not necessarily illegal either unless it is a federal bank and thus would fall under the mandate of no guns being allowed in State and Federal building as well as places like hospitals and schools.

Aren't all banks considered Federal? I mean it's a Federal crime to rob a bank? In any case, I can see being allowed to carry in public places, but private business should have the absolute right to deny firearms on their property.

I don't think that all banks are considered Federal buildings but I could very well be wrong about that, would have to look it up and honestly I am too tired tonight to bother googling that fact lol, my one year old has been keeping me busy. If they are all considered federal buildings then it would be illegal to carry in any of them whether there is an open carry law or not.

And I will agree that any private business should be able to post a sign saying "No Firearms allowed" on their door just like you would a "No Smoking" sign, it is after all THEIR property.

 

[DiveCon]

Yeah.........nothing to be scared of a person walking around with a gun in an open carry state.

Keep telling yourself that. Then go talk to the people who have lost family members to crazed gunmen. Remember.........most of their family members said they had no idea that the person was ready to go snappy.

Tell that to the families of those that Cho took out. He was hidden also until he killed all those people. Tell that to the families of those on that street in the south where a guy drove down the street, killing all those people on their porches.

Tell that to the families of the DC Sniper.

Yeah........right........nothing to worry about........

neither DC nor VA are open carry states

 

[DiveCon]

shoot, divecon, you are a nth% by yourself.

wow, did your two brain cells actually come to that by themselves?

 

[caela]

Yeah.........nothing to be scared of a person walking around with a gun in an open carry state.

Keep telling yourself that. Then go talk to the people who have lost family members to crazed gunmen. Remember.........most of their family members said they had no idea that the person was ready to go snappy.

Tell that to the families of those that Cho took out. He was hidden also until he killed all those people. Tell that to the families of those on that street in the south where a guy drove down the street, killing all those people on their porches.

Tell that to the families of the DC Sniper.

Yeah........right........nothing to worry about........

Ummmmm...stupid question but what to incidents of people breaking the law in states that don't have open carry laws have to do with people in states that do. Your argument would hold much more water if you gave examples of the misuse of firearms from within the states actually being discussed.

 

[Emma]

then who watched the other "dozen or so" carrying guns?
LOL
i dont think these nuts were a threat and likely only had passing supervison

It was reported in several places (and the interviewer and chris even mentioned it) that there were two shadowing him. Why just shadow him? (other than he belongs to the nutters LOL) Wouldn't they have assigned people to watch the other people too? And if it was because of Hancock's group, there were at least 4 of them carrying (hancock, chris, woman interviewed, and the dumbass who asked chris to water the tree of liberty).

well, it seems a lot of the nutters are either Ron Paul supporters or Laruche people
that means they are less than about 2% of the electorate
not something to really be scared of

What does that have to do with the police shadowing them?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yeah.........nothing to be scared of a person walking around with a gun in an open carry state.

Keep telling yourself that. Then go talk to the people who have lost family members to crazed gunmen. Remember.........most of their family members said they had no idea that the person was ready to go snappy.

Tell that to the families of those that Cho took out. He was hidden also until he killed all those people. Tell that to the families of those on that street in the south where a guy drove down the street, killing all those people on their porches.

Tell that to the families of the DC Sniper.

Yeah........right........nothing to worry about........

neither DC nor VA are open carry states

Typical Dive Can't Sushi Boy response. Pick one thing to harp on and ignore the intent.

Not every loon lives outside of an open carry state. Remember that douchebag that raped that little 3 year old girl and put it on tape in Nevada (open carry state).

The point was Dive Can't, that in an open carry state where there is a town hall meeting, if there is a person who lives around there who has become fed up with life and decided to commit suicide by cop, they'd have a wonderful opportunity.

Figures you wouldn't get the point, it's at the top of your skull.

 

[Immanuel]

Yeah.........nothing to be scared of a person walking around with a gun in an open carry state.

Keep telling yourself that. Then go talk to the people who have lost family members to crazed gunmen. Remember.........most of their family members said they had no idea that the person was ready to go snappy.

Tell that to the families of those that Cho took out. He was hidden also until he killed all those people. Tell that to the families of those on that street in the south where a guy drove down the street, killing all those people on their porches.

Tell that to the families of the DC Sniper.

Yeah........right........nothing to worry about........

neither DC nor VA are open carry states

I'm just curious because I think ABikerSailor is wrong on this in that it is not the open carry states or the fact that people are carrying in these states that I even have a problem with, but I was just thinking about the 14 people that lost their lives to Charles J. Whitman at the Univ. of Texas, Austin on August 1, 1966. Was it legal to openly carry a weapon in Texas in 1966? Would it have made a difference either way?

Immie

 

[Emma]

Yeah.........nothing to be scared of a person walking around with a gun in an open carry state.

Keep telling yourself that. Then go talk to the people who have lost family members to crazed gunmen. Remember.........most of their family members said they had no idea that the person was ready to go snappy.

Tell that to the families of those that Cho took out. He was hidden also until he killed all those people. Tell that to the families of those on that street in the south where a guy drove down the street, killing all those people on their porches.

Tell that to the families of the DC Sniper.

Yeah........right........nothing to worry about........

neither DC nor VA are open carry states

Oh I beg to differ

We are not only open carry, the state pre-empts (is that the word???) all local laws. In other words NO locality can pass their own firearm restrictions.

LIS > Code of Virginia > 15.2-915


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§ 15.2-915. Control of firearms; applicability to authorities and local governmental agencies.

A. No locality shall adopt or enforce any ordinance, resolution or motion, as permitted by § 15.2-1425, and no agent of such locality shall take any administrative action, governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying, storage or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof other than those expressly authorized by statute. For purposes of this section, a statute that does not refer to firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, shall not be construed to provide express authorization.

Nothing in this section shall prohibit a locality from adopting workplace rules relating to terms and conditions of employment of the workforce. Nothing in this section shall prohibit a law-enforcement officer, as defined in § 9.1-101 from acting within the scope of his duties.

The provisions of this section applicable to a locality shall also apply to any authority or to a local governmental entity, including a department or agency, but not including any local or regional jail or juvenile detention facility.

B. Any local ordinance, resolution or motion adopted prior to the effective date of this act governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, other than those expressly authorized by statute, is invalid.

C. In addition to any other relief provided, the court may award reasonable attorney fees, expenses, and court costs to any person, group, or entity that prevails in an action challenging (i) an ordinance, resolution, or motion as being in conflict with this section or (ii) an administrative action taken in bad faith as being in conflict with this section.


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