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There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretendingAnd nothing has happened. The north pole is still frozen as is AntarcticaExactly.
Ice ages are about 120 thousand year long cycles that are fairly regular and slow.
While in comparison, we have artificially released over 5 trillion tons of sequestered fossil carbon a years, and caused as much climate change as an ice age, in less than 200 years.
Wrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov
Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.
The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.
Yawn
Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
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I proved the pole was ice free in 1958There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretendingAnd nothing has happened. The north pole is still frozen as is Antarctica
Wrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov
Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.
The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.
Yawn
Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
WHAT THE FUCK
So you saying 1950's technology is better than 2019?
How Fucking stupid are you?
.
Next
There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretendingAnd nothing has happened. The north pole is still frozen as is Antarctica
Wrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov
Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.
The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.
Yawn
Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
View attachment 263950
Clearly in the image that is NOT open water.
Those are melt off pools on top of thicker ice that would prevent any ship passage.
Clearly the submarines looked for thin ice and punched up through ice that still covered the Arctic Ocean.
While things were already warming up from AGW since 1840, in 1987 there clearly was still no open passage through the Arctic ice.
I proved the pole was ice free in 1958There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretendingWrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov
Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.
The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.
Yawn
Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
WHAT THE FUCK
So you saying 1950's technology is better than 2019?
How Fucking stupid are you?
.
Next
You proved you are a liar.
The 1958 log by the captain of the USS Nautilus said the ice at the pole was too thick to surface at all.
The 1959 voyage from the USS Skate also said the pole was NOT open then either, but at least he was able to break through it.
It's called Summer. Its not new either{...
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016
Author:
Tom Di Liberto
September 16, 2016
For the last several decades, Earth has had a fever, and it has been spiking in recent years. Nowhere has this been clearer than across the Arctic, where annual average temperature has been warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes. As a result, sea ice has become a dwindling commodityin the far north frequently exposing the southern path through the Northwest Passage—the oft-talked about ship route from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean through the Canadian Arctic.
The Canadian Arctic on August 9, 2016, showing the Northwest Passage nearly free of ice. The "southern route" through the passage, travelled by Roald Amundsen in the early 1900s, is traced in yellow. The more commericaly important "northern route" goes straight through Parry Channel from Lancaster Sound to McClure Strait. NASA/NOAA image from Suomi/NPP satellite.
Cloudless skies across the Arctic on August 9 provided a clear view of open water conditions across the straits that make up the Canadian Arctic. Thinner ice and record-low sea ice extents leading up to the 2016 summer melt season plus warmer oceans during the summer led to well below-average amounts of sea ice across the Arctic. Strong storms during August helped break up and clear out the ice along the southern route of the passage. You can draw a line yourself through iceless seas to create your own path, like finishing a real-time geographic maze.
...}
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov
Remind me when there is no ice in winter
Wrong.
There were summers before 2007, but no Northwest Passage.
There has not been a Northwest Passage for over 10,000 years, until now.
You have a picture of that 10,000 years ago?
It's called Summer. Its not new either{...
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016
Author:
Tom Di Liberto
September 16, 2016
For the last several decades, Earth has had a fever, and it has been spiking in recent years. Nowhere has this been clearer than across the Arctic, where annual average temperature has been warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes. As a result, sea ice has become a dwindling commodityin the far north frequently exposing the southern path through the Northwest Passage—the oft-talked about ship route from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean through the Canadian Arctic.
The Canadian Arctic on August 9, 2016, showing the Northwest Passage nearly free of ice. The "southern route" through the passage, travelled by Roald Amundsen in the early 1900s, is traced in yellow. The more commericaly important "northern route" goes straight through Parry Channel from Lancaster Sound to McClure Strait. NASA/NOAA image from Suomi/NPP satellite.
Cloudless skies across the Arctic on August 9 provided a clear view of open water conditions across the straits that make up the Canadian Arctic. Thinner ice and record-low sea ice extents leading up to the 2016 summer melt season plus warmer oceans during the summer led to well below-average amounts of sea ice across the Arctic. Strong storms during August helped break up and clear out the ice along the southern route of the passage. You can draw a line yourself through iceless seas to create your own path, like finishing a real-time geographic maze.
...}
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov
Remind me when there is no ice in winter
Wrong.
There were summers before 2007, but no Northwest Passage.
There has not been a Northwest Passage for over 10,000 years, until now.
You have a picture of that 10,000 years ago?
When there was permanent ocean ice, as there was before 1950 for example, you could take cores, and determine age.
That easily made if possible to determine when the ocean has last been open water.
But that ONLY works as long as there was no open water at all.
Once there is open water, than there is no ancient ice to core and measure from.
So according to you, there is no way to tell.
The ONLY want to tell what the past floating ice history was is if there was no open water melt off.
And ice core can give you a picture of 10,000 years ago, but only if there had never been any melt off.
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
Thanks for proving global climate is cyclical and there is nothing we humans can do to stop it. Instead of trying to blame humans (for fun and profit) may I suggest actually studying the climate so we can protect ourselves from natural cyclical changes? It's like studying asteroids to see if they will eventually target Earth. No one blames humans for asteroids but we are looking for ways to protect us from a devastating collision. Of course, give the radical lefties enough time and they will find a way to blame humans for everything that happens in space too.
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
Thanks for proving global climate is cyclical and there is nothing we humans can do to stop it. Instead of trying to blame humans (for fun and profit) may I suggest actually studying the climate so we can protect ourselves from natural cyclical changes? It's like studying asteroids to see if they will eventually target Earth. No one blames humans for asteroids but we are looking for ways to protect us from a devastating collision. Of course, give the radical lefties enough time and they will find a way to blame humans for everything that happens in space too.
Nonsense.
Natural climate cycles like ice ages are 120,000 years long, and according to their history, it is now supposed to be early in the cooling phase.
The current warming is not at all natural, much too fast, and at the wrong time.
So clearly we did cause it by adding 5 trillion tons of previously sequestered fossil fuel into the atmosphere every single year.
And that means we can also stop it by reducing our carbon output and encouraging more plants to absorb the excess we created.
So are you really trying to claim that there was a Northwest Passage for easy traversal of shipping over the Arctic Ocean in the 10,000 years before 2007?
That would have to be the single biggest lie I have ever heard anyone ever claim!
Here are graphs from 3 separate peer reviewed, published studies...as you can see, the ice extent is greater now than it has been at any time in the past 10,000 years except for the little ice age which we are still in the process of warming out of...
Not only was the northwest passage open, but according to these graphs, practically the whole arctic circle was open to navigation during the summer as it was most likely ice free .
Now feel free to deny peer reviewed, published literature in favor of your beliefs...
Are you an idiot?
Clearly the scale on the Holocene is 10,000 years, so there is no way anyone could see the classic hockey stick of the last 30 years or so.
Nor is there anyway anyone could produce hard data over ocean ice coverage. That would be impossible. They would have to be guessing based on land ice core samples, which are not really valid at all for floading ice, that are much more dependent upon things like currents.
Don't you know anything about climate or history?
Of course all the graphs should show that the climate is supposed to be getting colder over the last 10,000 years.
The last ice age was over a long time ago, and we now are supposed to be entering into the next one. It is supposed to be getting colder.
But the HOCKEY STICK is the fact the last 50 years are NOT getting colder as it should, but it is getting MUCH warmer instead.
You really should not put up data you have no understanding of.
You have not proved anything except how little you know about anything.
So you are a science denier... Got it. You will deny any and everything that doesn't agree with what you believe...and apparently what you believe is not based on any sort of science because you don't seem to be able to produce anything like actual science to support your claims.
And by the way...it was nice of you to demonstrate that you can't read even a simple graph.
You are an idiot.
Obviously there can not be actual floating ice coverage data of any accuracy for more than 60 years or so.
Your graphs are fake suppositions and NOT at all measured real data.
They can't be real.
With the ocean melt off since 2007, there is no ancient floating Arctic ice to collect or measure. And even worse, is that according to you, there never was. According to you there could not ever have been any ancient Arctic floating ice samples because it was always too warm.
So then you clearly have to be lying.
How old do you think the oldest ice is in the Arctic?
There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretendingWrong.
Every summer, ships now traverse the Northwest Passage.
Are you claiming they don't?
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov
Fresh melt off from Greenland is starting to submerge the Gulf Stream and sent Europe off in a mini ice age.
The Antarctic ice shelf is radidly calving.
Mountain tops are becoming bare.
The changes are dramatic and obvious to anyone.
Yawn
Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
View attachment 263950
Clearly in the image that is NOT open water.
Those are melt off pools on top of thicker ice that would prevent any ship passage.
Clearly the submarines looked for thin ice and punched up through ice that still covered the Arctic Ocean.
While things were already warming up from AGW since 1840, in 1987 there clearly was still no open passage through the Arctic ice.
The subs surfaced at the geographic north pole, get over it you are a religious fool of the climate cult
I proved the pole was ice free in 1958There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretending
Yawn
Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
WHAT THE FUCK
So you saying 1950's technology is better than 2019?
How Fucking stupid are you?
.
Next
You proved you are a liar.
The 1958 log by the captain of the USS Nautilus said the ice at the pole was too thick to surface at all.
The 1959 voyage from the USS Skate also said the pole was NOT open then either, but at least he was able to break through it.
Grow up dork
USS Skate SSN-578 First submarine to surface at the North Pole
FIRST SUBMARINE TO SURFACE AT THE NORTH POLE
Information below was copied from the USS SKATE page of Joel Jensen
More SKATE info via SUBNET
USS SKATE (SSN-578) History
USS SKATE (SSN-578) was the third submarine to bear this name and the third nuclear powered submarine constructed by the United States. Her namesake in World War 2 conducted seven war patrols and later served as a target ship for the atomic bomb test at Bikini in 1946.
The keel of the SSN-578 was laid down on July 21, 1955, at the Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics corporation in Groton, CT. The ship was launched May 16, 1957, by Mrs. Lewis L. Strauss, whose husband was then chairman of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. SKATE was commissioned seven months ahead of schedule on December 23, 1957, under the command of Commander James F. Calvert, USN.
During the first months after joining the Submarine Force, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, SKATE completed a shakedown cruise to northern European ports and participated in a fleet exercise that included a thirty-one day period of complete submergence, sealed off from the earth's atmosphere.
In August 1958, SKATE made her first cruise to the Arctic where she operated under the ice packs for ten days. During this period she surfaced nine times through openings in the ice, became the second ship to reach the North Pole, and successfully navigated over 2,400 miles beneath the ice. On her return to the United States, the ship was awarded the Navy Unit Commendation for "... braving the hazards of the polar ice pack..."
In March 1959, SKATE again headed north, this time to pioneer arctic submarine operations during the period of extreme cold and maximum ice thickness. In twelve days under the pack, SKATE forced her was up through the thin ice to the surface ten times and steamed over 3,000 miles. In a dramatic high of this cruise, on March 17, 1959, SKATE became the first submarine to surface at the North Pole... Where the ashes of famed explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins were committed to the arctic waste. On her return to port, SKATE was awarded a Bronze Star in lieu of a second Navy Unit Commendation for demonstrating "...for the first time the ability of submarines to operate in and under the arctic ice in the dead of winter..."
From January to August 1961, SKATE underwent her first overhaul at Electric Boat Division, Groton, Connecticut. Skate's reactor was refueled for the first time after more than three years of operations.
In July 1962, SKATE again charted a course from New London, Connecticut to the North Pole, while the USS SEADRAGON (SSN-584) departed Pearl Harbor, Hawaii and headed North. This trip was marked by the rendezvous of SKATE and SEADRAGON in the arctic ice region. After the historic meeting, SKATE and SEADRAGON operated together for over a week. One operation included a double surfacing at the North Pole.
SKATE underwent he second regular overhaul from April 1965 to September 1967 at Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Portsmouth, Virginia after nearly four years of Atlantic Fleet operations. This overhaul included her second nuclear refueling in seven years of operations.
SKATE was assigned to Submarine Development Group TWO in January 1968 and participated in the development of new tactics and equipment.
SKATE deployed to the Mediterranean in October 1968 to participate in NATO exercises.
In March and April 1969, SKATE returned to the Arctic to conduct submerged operations under the polar ice pack in company with PARGO (SSN-650) and WHALE (SSN-638). During this trip new concepts of submarine polar tactics were researched. SKATE received Meritorious Unit Commendations for her participation in the 1970 SQUEEZE PLAY exercises and for her arctic operations with HAMMERHEAD.
SKATE underwent her third refueling overhaul from February 1971 to September 1973 at Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Portsmouth, Virginia. After completing overhaul, SKATE was assigned to Submarine Squadron Two and home-ported at the Naval Submarine base, New London, Connecticut.
Early in September 1974, SKATE left New London to participate in a major NATO exercise in the North Atlantic and then continued on to the Mediterranean in October and returned to New London in late January 1975.
During 1974 SKATE was assigned to Command Second Fleet in evaluation of the Interim Sea Control Ship. During April and May 1975, SKATE was again involved in tactical development as she successfully conducted SSN swimmer operation while participating in exercise SOLID SHIELD. SKATE's anti-submarine warfare capabilities were lauded when she was awarded Submarine Squadron TWO ASW "A" in July 1975.
Early in September 1975 SKATE left New London to participate in operation UNITAS XVI, being the first nuclear ship to participate to participate in this annual exercise. SKATE toured ports in Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, Trinidad, and Venezuela and returned to New London, Connecticut in early 1975.
In April 1976, SKATE deployed to the Mediterranean. After deployment, SKATE conducted various exercises including the training of SEAL teams, Special Forces, and Marine Force Reconnaissance Troops.
On October 17, 1977, SKATE left New London to join Submarine Squadron SEVEN in the Pacific Fleet. SKATE arrived at her new homeport, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii on November 24, 1977.
SKATE underwent her fourth overhaul from February 1978 to July 1979 at Naval Shipyard, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.
In September 1979, SKATE deployed to EASTPAC for a shakedown cruise and participation in Fleet Exercise 2-79. Since that time she participated in RIMPAC 1980, CNO Special Projects, ASW Exercises and mine-laying operations Type Training.
In July 1980, SKATE made her first Western Pacific Deployment. She operated with units of the U.S. Seventh Fleet and Allied Navies and returned to port on December 23, 1980, the 23rd anniversary of her commissioning.
SKATE received the 1980 Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet Golden Anchor Award for enlisted retention excellence and the 1981 Commander Submarine Squadron SEVEN Damage Control "DC" and Supply "E" awards.
SKATE made her second Western Pacific deployment in 1982, her third in 1983-1984 and her fourth and final in 1985.
SKATE was decommissioned in 1986 and was recycled in 1993.
It's called Summer. Its not new either{...
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016
Author:
Tom Di Liberto
September 16, 2016
For the last several decades, Earth has had a fever, and it has been spiking in recent years. Nowhere has this been clearer than across the Arctic, where annual average temperature has been warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes. As a result, sea ice has become a dwindling commodityin the far north frequently exposing the southern path through the Northwest Passage—the oft-talked about ship route from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean through the Canadian Arctic.
The Canadian Arctic on August 9, 2016, showing the Northwest Passage nearly free of ice. The "southern route" through the passage, travelled by Roald Amundsen in the early 1900s, is traced in yellow. The more commericaly important "northern route" goes straight through Parry Channel from Lancaster Sound to McClure Strait. NASA/NOAA image from Suomi/NPP satellite.
Cloudless skies across the Arctic on August 9 provided a clear view of open water conditions across the straits that make up the Canadian Arctic. Thinner ice and record-low sea ice extents leading up to the 2016 summer melt season plus warmer oceans during the summer led to well below-average amounts of sea ice across the Arctic. Strong storms during August helped break up and clear out the ice along the southern route of the passage. You can draw a line yourself through iceless seas to create your own path, like finishing a real-time geographic maze.
...}
Northwest Passage clear of ice again in 2016 | NOAA Climate.gov
Remind me when there is no ice in winter
Wrong.
There were summers before 2007, but no Northwest Passage.
There has not been a Northwest Passage for over 10,000 years, until now.
You have a picture of that 10,000 years ago?
When there was permanent ocean ice, as there was before 1950 for example, you could take cores, and determine age.
That easily made if possible to determine when the ocean has last been open water.
But that ONLY works as long as there was no open water at all.
Once there is open water, than there is no ancient ice to core and measure from.
So according to you, there is no way to tell.
The ONLY want to tell what the past floating ice history was is if there was no open water melt off.
And ice core can give you a picture of 10,000 years ago, but only if there had never been any melt off.
LOL permanent ocean ice at the north pole...………….It melts every summer kid, the parts that don't melt move. You are playing with yourself in public
There were subs surfaced at an ice free north pole in the 50s. Furthermore prior to satellite data the ice cover at the north pole was not known. But you go on pretending
Yawn
Google Image Result for http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
View attachment 263950
Clearly in the image that is NOT open water.
Those are melt off pools on top of thicker ice that would prevent any ship passage.
Clearly the submarines looked for thin ice and punched up through ice that still covered the Arctic Ocean.
While things were already warming up from AGW since 1840, in 1987 there clearly was still no open passage through the Arctic ice.
The subs surfaced at the geographic north pole, get over it you are a religious fool of the climate cult
Yes subs can surface though several feet of ice at the North Pole.
So what?
It was not open water, and now it is.
That is called a difference.
See how that works?
Only a child would not remember the images of the 1950s Arctic summer expeditions.
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
Thanks for proving global climate is cyclical and there is nothing we humans can do to stop it. Instead of trying to blame humans (for fun and profit) may I suggest actually studying the climate so we can protect ourselves from natural cyclical changes? It's like studying asteroids to see if they will eventually target Earth. No one blames humans for asteroids but we are looking for ways to protect us from a devastating collision. Of course, give the radical lefties enough time and they will find a way to blame humans for everything that happens in space too.
Nonsense.
Natural climate cycles like ice ages are 120,000 years long, and according to their history, it is now supposed to be early in the cooling phase.
The current warming is not at all natural, much too fast, and at the wrong time.
So clearly we did cause it by adding 5 trillion tons of previously sequestered fossil fuel into the atmosphere every single year.
And that means we can also stop it by reducing our carbon output and encouraging more plants to absorb the excess we created.
Macro climate cycles are not regular, but you keep making up stuff
I proved the pole was ice free in 1958Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
WHAT THE FUCK
So you saying 1950's technology is better than 2019?
How Fucking stupid are you?
.
Next
You proved you are a liar.
The 1958 log by the captain of the USS Nautilus said the ice at the pole was too thick to surface at all.
The 1959 voyage from the USS Skate also said the pole was NOT open then either, but at least he was able to break through it.
Grow up dork
USS Skate SSN-578 First submarine to surface at the North Pole
FIRST SUBMARINE TO SURFACE AT THE NORTH POLE
Information below was copied from the USS SKATE page of Joel Jensen
More SKATE info via SUBNET
USS SKATE (SSN-578) History
USS SKATE (SSN-578) was the third submarine to bear this name and the third nuclear powered submarine constructed by the United States. Her namesake in World War 2 conducted seven war patrols and later served as a target ship for the atomic bomb test at Bikini in 1946.
The keel of the SSN-578 was laid down on July 21, 1955, at the Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics corporation in Groton, CT. The ship was launched May 16, 1957, by Mrs. Lewis L. Strauss, whose husband was then chairman of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. SKATE was commissioned seven months ahead of schedule on December 23, 1957, under the command of Commander James F. Calvert, USN.
During the first months after joining the Submarine Force, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, SKATE completed a shakedown cruise to northern European ports and participated in a fleet exercise that included a thirty-one day period of complete submergence, sealed off from the earth's atmosphere.
In August 1958, SKATE made her first cruise to the Arctic where she operated under the ice packs for ten days. During this period she surfaced nine times through openings in the ice, became the second ship to reach the North Pole, and successfully navigated over 2,400 miles beneath the ice. On her return to the United States, the ship was awarded the Navy Unit Commendation for "... braving the hazards of the polar ice pack..."
In March 1959, SKATE again headed north, this time to pioneer arctic submarine operations during the period of extreme cold and maximum ice thickness. In twelve days under the pack, SKATE forced her was up through the thin ice to the surface ten times and steamed over 3,000 miles. In a dramatic high of this cruise, on March 17, 1959, SKATE became the first submarine to surface at the North Pole... Where the ashes of famed explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins were committed to the arctic waste. On her return to port, SKATE was awarded a Bronze Star in lieu of a second Navy Unit Commendation for demonstrating "...for the first time the ability of submarines to operate in and under the arctic ice in the dead of winter..."
From January to August 1961, SKATE underwent her first overhaul at Electric Boat Division, Groton, Connecticut. Skate's reactor was refueled for the first time after more than three years of operations.
In July 1962, SKATE again charted a course from New London, Connecticut to the North Pole, while the USS SEADRAGON (SSN-584) departed Pearl Harbor, Hawaii and headed North. This trip was marked by the rendezvous of SKATE and SEADRAGON in the arctic ice region. After the historic meeting, SKATE and SEADRAGON operated together for over a week. One operation included a double surfacing at the North Pole.
SKATE underwent he second regular overhaul from April 1965 to September 1967 at Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Portsmouth, Virginia after nearly four years of Atlantic Fleet operations. This overhaul included her second nuclear refueling in seven years of operations.
SKATE was assigned to Submarine Development Group TWO in January 1968 and participated in the development of new tactics and equipment.
SKATE deployed to the Mediterranean in October 1968 to participate in NATO exercises.
In March and April 1969, SKATE returned to the Arctic to conduct submerged operations under the polar ice pack in company with PARGO (SSN-650) and WHALE (SSN-638). During this trip new concepts of submarine polar tactics were researched. SKATE received Meritorious Unit Commendations for her participation in the 1970 SQUEEZE PLAY exercises and for her arctic operations with HAMMERHEAD.
SKATE underwent her third refueling overhaul from February 1971 to September 1973 at Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Portsmouth, Virginia. After completing overhaul, SKATE was assigned to Submarine Squadron Two and home-ported at the Naval Submarine base, New London, Connecticut.
Early in September 1974, SKATE left New London to participate in a major NATO exercise in the North Atlantic and then continued on to the Mediterranean in October and returned to New London in late January 1975.
During 1974 SKATE was assigned to Command Second Fleet in evaluation of the Interim Sea Control Ship. During April and May 1975, SKATE was again involved in tactical development as she successfully conducted SSN swimmer operation while participating in exercise SOLID SHIELD. SKATE's anti-submarine warfare capabilities were lauded when she was awarded Submarine Squadron TWO ASW "A" in July 1975.
Early in September 1975 SKATE left New London to participate in operation UNITAS XVI, being the first nuclear ship to participate to participate in this annual exercise. SKATE toured ports in Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, Trinidad, and Venezuela and returned to New London, Connecticut in early 1975.
In April 1976, SKATE deployed to the Mediterranean. After deployment, SKATE conducted various exercises including the training of SEAL teams, Special Forces, and Marine Force Reconnaissance Troops.
On October 17, 1977, SKATE left New London to join Submarine Squadron SEVEN in the Pacific Fleet. SKATE arrived at her new homeport, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii on November 24, 1977.
SKATE underwent her fourth overhaul from February 1978 to July 1979 at Naval Shipyard, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.
In September 1979, SKATE deployed to EASTPAC for a shakedown cruise and participation in Fleet Exercise 2-79. Since that time she participated in RIMPAC 1980, CNO Special Projects, ASW Exercises and mine-laying operations Type Training.
In July 1980, SKATE made her first Western Pacific Deployment. She operated with units of the U.S. Seventh Fleet and Allied Navies and returned to port on December 23, 1980, the 23rd anniversary of her commissioning.
SKATE received the 1980 Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet Golden Anchor Award for enlisted retention excellence and the 1981 Commander Submarine Squadron SEVEN Damage Control "DC" and Supply "E" awards.
SKATE made her second Western Pacific deployment in 1982, her third in 1983-1984 and her fourth and final in 1985.
SKATE was decommissioned in 1986 and was recycled in 1993.
Are you an idiot?
Clearly your own post and quote says the USS Skate had to break through ice to get to the surface. There was no open water back then at the pole.
There is now.
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
Thanks for proving global climate is cyclical and there is nothing we humans can do to stop it. Instead of trying to blame humans (for fun and profit) may I suggest actually studying the climate so we can protect ourselves from natural cyclical changes? It's like studying asteroids to see if they will eventually target Earth. No one blames humans for asteroids but we are looking for ways to protect us from a devastating collision. Of course, give the radical lefties enough time and they will find a way to blame humans for everything that happens in space too.
Nonsense.
Natural climate cycles like ice ages are 120,000 years long, and according to their history, it is now supposed to be early in the cooling phase.
The current warming is not at all natural, much too fast, and at the wrong time.
So clearly we did cause it by adding 5 trillion tons of previously sequestered fossil fuel into the atmosphere every single year.
And that means we can also stop it by reducing our carbon output and encouraging more plants to absorb the excess we created.
Macro climate cycles are not regular, but you keep making up stuff
That is just a lie.
There have been over 12 regular macro climate cycles called ice ages.
They are all about the same length and intensity, going back over a million years.
Before that thing were not as regular, but that like was due to additional heat from catastrophic events, as well as lingering heat from the gravitational condensation of planet, and its radioactive element decay.
Interglacial - Wikipedia
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
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Clearly in the image that is NOT open water.
Those are melt off pools on top of thicker ice that would prevent any ship passage.
Clearly the submarines looked for thin ice and punched up through ice that still covered the Arctic Ocean.
While things were already warming up from AGW since 1840, in 1987 there clearly was still no open passage through the Arctic ice.
The subs surfaced at the geographic north pole, get over it you are a religious fool of the climate cult
Yes subs can surface though several feet of ice at the North Pole.
So what?
It was not open water, and now it is.
That is called a difference.
See how that works?
Only a child would not remember the images of the 1950s Arctic summer expeditions.
Look kid there are photos of the OPEN WATER
You really are not that bright are you?
Absolute lie.
There was no open water at the North Pole in the 1960s.
The image of open water was on the way TOO the North Pole.
There are people who took snow mobiles to the North Pole, in the summer, even after the 1950s. They could not have done that if there was ANY possible risk of even a trace of puddles, much less open water.
In fact, it took the USS Natilus days to find a thin vent in the ice so they could break through to the surface.
People always knew what the ice coverage was over the North Pole, because ships were always probing, and natives always traversed for hunting purposes. And you do NOT need satellites. We had lots of planes in the 1950s, which vastly superior technology than one can put into a tiny satellite.
Thanks for proving global climate is cyclical and there is nothing we humans can do to stop it. Instead of trying to blame humans (for fun and profit) may I suggest actually studying the climate so we can protect ourselves from natural cyclical changes? It's like studying asteroids to see if they will eventually target Earth. No one blames humans for asteroids but we are looking for ways to protect us from a devastating collision. Of course, give the radical lefties enough time and they will find a way to blame humans for everything that happens in space too.
Nonsense.
Natural climate cycles like ice ages are 120,000 years long, and according to their history, it is now supposed to be early in the cooling phase.
The current warming is not at all natural, much too fast, and at the wrong time.
So clearly we did cause it by adding 5 trillion tons of previously sequestered fossil fuel into the atmosphere every single year.
And that means we can also stop it by reducing our carbon output and encouraging more plants to absorb the excess we created.
Macro climate cycles are not regular, but you keep making up stuff
That is just a lie.
There have been over 12 regular macro climate cycles called ice ages.
They are all about the same length and intensity, going back over a million years.
Before that thing were not as regular, but that like was due to additional heat from catastrophic events, as well as lingering heat from the gravitational condensation of planet, and its radioactive element decay.
Interglacial - Wikipedia
I proved the pole was ice free in 1958WHAT THE FUCK
So you saying 1950's technology is better than 2019?
How Fucking stupid are you?
.
Next
You proved you are a liar.
The 1958 log by the captain of the USS Nautilus said the ice at the pole was too thick to surface at all.
The 1959 voyage from the USS Skate also said the pole was NOT open then either, but at least he was able to break through it.
Grow up dork
USS Skate SSN-578 First submarine to surface at the North Pole
FIRST SUBMARINE TO SURFACE AT THE NORTH POLE
Information below was copied from the USS SKATE page of Joel Jensen
More SKATE info via SUBNET
USS SKATE (SSN-578) History
USS SKATE (SSN-578) was the third submarine to bear this name and the third nuclear powered submarine constructed by the United States. Her namesake in World War 2 conducted seven war patrols and later served as a target ship for the atomic bomb test at Bikini in 1946.
The keel of the SSN-578 was laid down on July 21, 1955, at the Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics corporation in Groton, CT. The ship was launched May 16, 1957, by Mrs. Lewis L. Strauss, whose husband was then chairman of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. SKATE was commissioned seven months ahead of schedule on December 23, 1957, under the command of Commander James F. Calvert, USN.
During the first months after joining the Submarine Force, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, SKATE completed a shakedown cruise to northern European ports and participated in a fleet exercise that included a thirty-one day period of complete submergence, sealed off from the earth's atmosphere.
In August 1958, SKATE made her first cruise to the Arctic where she operated under the ice packs for ten days. During this period she surfaced nine times through openings in the ice, became the second ship to reach the North Pole, and successfully navigated over 2,400 miles beneath the ice. On her return to the United States, the ship was awarded the Navy Unit Commendation for "... braving the hazards of the polar ice pack..."
In March 1959, SKATE again headed north, this time to pioneer arctic submarine operations during the period of extreme cold and maximum ice thickness. In twelve days under the pack, SKATE forced her was up through the thin ice to the surface ten times and steamed over 3,000 miles. In a dramatic high of this cruise, on March 17, 1959, SKATE became the first submarine to surface at the North Pole... Where the ashes of famed explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins were committed to the arctic waste. On her return to port, SKATE was awarded a Bronze Star in lieu of a second Navy Unit Commendation for demonstrating "...for the first time the ability of submarines to operate in and under the arctic ice in the dead of winter..."
From January to August 1961, SKATE underwent her first overhaul at Electric Boat Division, Groton, Connecticut. Skate's reactor was refueled for the first time after more than three years of operations.
In July 1962, SKATE again charted a course from New London, Connecticut to the North Pole, while the USS SEADRAGON (SSN-584) departed Pearl Harbor, Hawaii and headed North. This trip was marked by the rendezvous of SKATE and SEADRAGON in the arctic ice region. After the historic meeting, SKATE and SEADRAGON operated together for over a week. One operation included a double surfacing at the North Pole.
SKATE underwent he second regular overhaul from April 1965 to September 1967 at Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Portsmouth, Virginia after nearly four years of Atlantic Fleet operations. This overhaul included her second nuclear refueling in seven years of operations.
SKATE was assigned to Submarine Development Group TWO in January 1968 and participated in the development of new tactics and equipment.
SKATE deployed to the Mediterranean in October 1968 to participate in NATO exercises.
In March and April 1969, SKATE returned to the Arctic to conduct submerged operations under the polar ice pack in company with PARGO (SSN-650) and WHALE (SSN-638). During this trip new concepts of submarine polar tactics were researched. SKATE received Meritorious Unit Commendations for her participation in the 1970 SQUEEZE PLAY exercises and for her arctic operations with HAMMERHEAD.
SKATE underwent her third refueling overhaul from February 1971 to September 1973 at Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Portsmouth, Virginia. After completing overhaul, SKATE was assigned to Submarine Squadron Two and home-ported at the Naval Submarine base, New London, Connecticut.
Early in September 1974, SKATE left New London to participate in a major NATO exercise in the North Atlantic and then continued on to the Mediterranean in October and returned to New London in late January 1975.
During 1974 SKATE was assigned to Command Second Fleet in evaluation of the Interim Sea Control Ship. During April and May 1975, SKATE was again involved in tactical development as she successfully conducted SSN swimmer operation while participating in exercise SOLID SHIELD. SKATE's anti-submarine warfare capabilities were lauded when she was awarded Submarine Squadron TWO ASW "A" in July 1975.
Early in September 1975 SKATE left New London to participate in operation UNITAS XVI, being the first nuclear ship to participate to participate in this annual exercise. SKATE toured ports in Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, Trinidad, and Venezuela and returned to New London, Connecticut in early 1975.
In April 1976, SKATE deployed to the Mediterranean. After deployment, SKATE conducted various exercises including the training of SEAL teams, Special Forces, and Marine Force Reconnaissance Troops.
On October 17, 1977, SKATE left New London to join Submarine Squadron SEVEN in the Pacific Fleet. SKATE arrived at her new homeport, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii on November 24, 1977.
SKATE underwent her fourth overhaul from February 1978 to July 1979 at Naval Shipyard, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.
In September 1979, SKATE deployed to EASTPAC for a shakedown cruise and participation in Fleet Exercise 2-79. Since that time she participated in RIMPAC 1980, CNO Special Projects, ASW Exercises and mine-laying operations Type Training.
In July 1980, SKATE made her first Western Pacific Deployment. She operated with units of the U.S. Seventh Fleet and Allied Navies and returned to port on December 23, 1980, the 23rd anniversary of her commissioning.
SKATE received the 1980 Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet Golden Anchor Award for enlisted retention excellence and the 1981 Commander Submarine Squadron SEVEN Damage Control "DC" and Supply "E" awards.
SKATE made her second Western Pacific deployment in 1982, her third in 1983-1984 and her fourth and final in 1985.
SKATE was decommissioned in 1986 and was recycled in 1993.
Are you an idiot?
Clearly your own post and quote says the USS Skate had to break through ice to get to the surface. There was no open water back then at the pole.
There is now.
Are you handicapped
Clearly in the image that is NOT open water.
Those are melt off pools on top of thicker ice that would prevent any ship passage.
Clearly the submarines looked for thin ice and punched up through ice that still covered the Arctic Ocean.
While things were already warming up from AGW since 1840, in 1987 there clearly was still no open passage through the Arctic ice.
The subs surfaced at the geographic north pole, get over it you are a religious fool of the climate cult
Yes subs can surface though several feet of ice at the North Pole.
So what?
It was not open water, and now it is.
That is called a difference.
See how that works?
Only a child would not remember the images of the 1950s Arctic summer expeditions.
Look kid there are photos of the OPEN WATER
You really are not that bright are you?
I already found the actual description of what you are claiming is the USS Skate that the North Pole in 1959, and proved that the image was NOT at the North Pole.
I am not going to look it up again and again post the correct caption.
You look it up.
