Hey....I thought you threatened never to response to my threads again? Good to see you've changed you mind.
You should check your glasses and re-read the post. I said I was taking a (much needed break), not that I would "never" respond.
1. The obfuscation that you've attempted....giving the dates of birth and claiming that these folks were not major players in the Progressive movement....
You should drop the invective; you are really not very good at it and it makes you look bad. You were the one who portrayed these individuals as spokesmen for the Progressive Movement, not I.
Give me a break! Hegel? Really???
WTF does Hegel have to do with Progressivism?
Ibid for Haeckel.
Now you are REALLY spinning off topic. Of course since you haven't made an attempt to answer any of the points raised, I guess one diversion is as good as another. I didn't know that the Renaissance was a government policy. I'll have to make notes that you consider Michaelangelo a triumph of central planning Florentine style.
So, you fool, the dates for the origin of Progressivism can be followed back to far earlier times than the early 20th century.
An interesting, if ahistorical assertion. What does it have to do with your original thesis?
Pick up a book once in a while.
I rarely quote a book or article I have not read. Mostly I read history and economics. What do you read?
In this reply you have once again proven that you are incapable of reply with an organized argument to anyone who answers one of your posts. You grab any idea at hand to reply, without showing its connection to the previous argument. That's why your discussions are not "progressive" (pun intended) going from one thought to a reply to a counter-reply.
But since you did not state a thesis to begin with (I doubt you really understand what one is) the fact that you wander is perhaps inevitable. If you want a proof reader, I know several people who could help you clean up your prose and force you to present positions logically, but that would take the fun out of it, wouldn't it?
The only difference between Custer’s Last Stand and what I’m about to do to you is that Custer didn’t have to read the post afterwards.
"Give me a break! Hegel? Really???
WTF does Hegel have to do with Progressivism?
Ibid for Haeckel."
Exactly why you will remain
a dunce.
You are not only ignoranct.....but by a degree of magnitude: you don't realize how truly ignorant you are.
I shall reveal same:
You should pay me for the following and previous tutorials.
1.
Eugenics….progressives impulse to impose an unworkably utopian vision on society has been part of the movement from its earliest days. Founded by Charles Darwin’s nephew, Francis Galton, it proposed “to check the birth rate of the unfit instead of allowing them to come into being…The second object is the improvement of the race by furthering the productivity of the fit by early marriages and the healthful rearing of children.”
Thomas C. Leonard, “Retrospectives: Eugenics and Economics in the Progressive Era,” Journal of Economic Perspectives
http://www.princeton.edu/~tleonard/papers/retrospectives.pdf
2. The 19th century, and , in large measure, its successor, were governed by the following irrationality: 1) reality was a feature of the subjective mind, 2) man was swept along by historical progress, and 3) this irrationality was clothed in pseudo-scientific and materialist garb. Darwinism was the mechanism of survival, and Marxism revealed that humans were prisoners of society, Freudian psychology showed that men were prisoners of the unconscious, and what appeared to be reason was actually the working out of psychopathology. Darwin, Marx and Freud all undermined the idea of human beings as thinking, rational beings.
O’Hear, “After Progress: Why We Should Change Our Thinking,” p.60-74
3.
The Progressives infected academia long before they gained hold of political offices.
“…no one was more important to the origins of the administrative state in America than Woodrow Wilson and Frank Goodnow. Wilson served as the 26th President of the United States and was a leading academic advocate of Progressive ideas long before his entry into politics. Much of his contribution to Progressive thought came in his work from the 1880s,…”
The Birth of the Administrative State: Where It Came From and What It Means for Limited Government
4.And the bedrock was established directly through Hegel, his philosophy, and his views on government.
'It was initially an academic phenomenon far removed from American politics. Particularly in the
post–Civil War American university, professors — many of whom had obtained their graduate
training in German universities, and whose thought reflected the “intoxicating effect of the
undiluted Hegelian philosophy upon the American mind,” as progressive Charles Merriam once put it — articulated a critique of America that was as deep as it was wide.
It began with a conscious
rejection of the natural-rights principles of the American founding and the promotion of a new understanding of freedom, history, and
the state in their stead.
From this foundation, the progressives then criticized virtually every aspect of our traditional way of life, recommending reforms or “social reorganization” on a sweeping scale, the primary engine of which was to be a new, “positive” role for the state.'
National Review Online | Print
Wanna wipe that egg off your face now?
5.
Hegel introduced a system for understanding the history of philosophy and the world itself, often described as a "progression in which each successive movement emerges as a resolution to the contradictions inherent in the preceding movement.
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And....
Haeckel, the originator of the term ‘ecology,’ and protagonist of
Hegel’s view of the dominance of the state over the individual, gained stature in England as well as Germany. The reason was simple: his ideas of controlling everything included the molding of human nature.
Karl Popper is generally regarded as one of the greatest philosophers of science of the 20th century [The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy(Summer 2009 Edition) ]; he watched the rise of Hitler, and the Nazis, and analyzed the conditions that allowed fascism to arise. He realized that
all the totalitarian philosophies of the 20th century owe their origin to Hegel.
a. “All the worth which the human being possesses - all spiritual reality, he possesses
only through the State.”
Hegel and Totalitarianism
"You should drop the invective; you are really not very good at it...."
Yeah, I am.
As far as you influencing my style…I am immovable, like General Jackson’s Virginians at First Manassas: a veritable stone wall.
If you only had an acquaintance with history…you’d understand that.
But you don't.
You understand neither the provenance of Progressives, or of any Left-wing collectivist philosophy.....
Let's review
1. Begin with the view that the monarch is the law....'Divine Right of the King'
2. The Codex still exerts its influence on Europe and is known as the Civil Law tradition...European law gives preeminence to legislatures, the institution that drafted the statute prevails. In Anglo-American Common Law tradition, the institution that interprets and adjudicates the statute has the final word.
3. First France, until the Revolution, then, Germany, represented the peak of learning. American leaders sent their sons there to learn and be influenced. Or, hired tutors from Germany.
Hence....the
deep and pervasive influence of Hegel: a very unAmerican view of the relationship between individual and government.
4. Some idiots, boors, seem to believe that Progressivism, like Topsy, sprang, full born.
Raise your paw.
It did not.....it is atavistic, and aims for all power to be retained by the state.
The details are my two prior posts.
Study them....and there is the very slight chance you won't remain a fool.
