Progressive Propaganda: The 2nd Amendment Edition

[2aguy]

If guns make us safe and secure, why so many gun deaths compared to other civilized nations?

Because idiot progressives illegally ban firearms where they can - creating victim zones. Such as schools.

The fact is, crime has been plummeting over the past 30 years as firearm sales have been skyrocketing. Game over.

Yes the BIG LIE, the grist of right wingers who use unrelated facts and unprincipled opinions. 'The fact is correlation does not prove causation.

No that is your mistake, thinking that gun ownership causes gun violence.....the fact is that democrats letting violent criminals out of jail repeatedly leads to gun crime....not law abiding people who own and carry guns for self defense

 

[Brain357]

Compare how often we have them to the UK.

The U.K. averaged one mass public shooting every ten years before they banned guns, and they had one each 10 years so far after they banned guns....gun control didn't change their mass public shooting events...in fact, they almost had 4 in the last few years that were stopped by dumb luck, and not one of their gun control laws stopped them....4...in the last few years vs. 1 every 10 years before they banned guns.... their gun control is not working....

Ownership has always been low, hence few mass shootings and low homicide rates.

Nope, their culture is different..... one mass public shooting every 10 years when they had guns.....now they almost had 4 in the last few years, which were only stopped because of dumb luck......that is what you call an escalation....after they banned and confiscated guns....their violent crime rates are going up.....and they are handicapping their police.

You keep using the term, "Violent Crime Rate". Now, look at the Gun Crime Rate in order to come up with a comparison. The Brits idea of a Violent Crime Rate is a punch in the nose. Apples and Oranges. Take a gander at this chart.

Sorry, your chart has no link as to it's origin.....and as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%.....that is a fact...you guys keep mixing criminals who use illegal guns they can't buy, own or carry, with normal, law abiding gun owners....and think you are making a valid point...you aren't...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes decreased right after getting background checks.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You are nuts....countries with strong gun control have mass shootings...really horrible mass shootings, and around the world the U.S. doesn't even come close to having the most....

Nuts is putting guns over the lives of our children.

What you cant understand is that my guns pose no threat to any children.

Your easy access to guns means killers have easy access.

Who says I have easy access?

All my gun purchases have been subject to a background check
I had to get get fingerprinted like a fucking criminal and get an additional permit that allows me to carry concealed and to purchase handguns

I am not responsible for the crime other people commit

Sounds easy.

Only to a fascist pig control freak like you

 

[2aguy]

Comparing cities to states

invalid

Why because cities generally have LOWER rates of gun violence?

MMMMM...no...that can't be it...

Cities that have been controlled by the democrat party for decades have higher gun murder rates because they keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail....

Why do they keep doing that? Why won't they stop so that lives can be saved?

 

[Brain357]

If guns make us safe and secure, why so many gun deaths compared to other civilized nations?

Because idiot progressives illegally ban firearms where they can - creating victim zones. Such as schools.

The fact is, crime has been plummeting over the past 30 years as firearm sales have been skyrocketing. Game over.

Yes the BIG LIE, the grist of right wingers who use unrelated facts and unprincipled opinions. 'The fact is correlation does not prove causation.

No that is your mistake, thinking that gun ownership causes gun violence.....the fact is that democrats letting violent criminals out of jail repeatedly leads to gun crime....not law abiding people who own and carry guns for self defense

The synagogue mass shooter was law abiding till he wasn’t. Even had concealed carry

 

[2aguy]

The U.K. averaged one mass public shooting every ten years before they banned guns, and they had one each 10 years so far after they banned guns....gun control didn't change their mass public shooting events...in fact, they almost had 4 in the last few years that were stopped by dumb luck, and not one of their gun control laws stopped them....4...in the last few years vs. 1 every 10 years before they banned guns.... their gun control is not working....

Ownership has always been low, hence few mass shootings and low homicide rates.

Nope, their culture is different..... one mass public shooting every 10 years when they had guns.....now they almost had 4 in the last few years, which were only stopped because of dumb luck......that is what you call an escalation....after they banned and confiscated guns....their violent crime rates are going up.....and they are handicapping their police.

You keep using the term, "Violent Crime Rate". Now, look at the Gun Crime Rate in order to come up with a comparison. The Brits idea of a Violent Crime Rate is a punch in the nose. Apples and Oranges. Take a gander at this chart.

Sorry, your chart has no link as to it's origin.....and as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%.....that is a fact...you guys keep mixing criminals who use illegal guns they can't buy, own or carry, with normal, law abiding gun owners....and think you are making a valid point...you aren't...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes decreased right after getting background checks.

Nope, you have never explained how background checks stop criminals from getting illegal guns..since they can't buy, own or carry a gun and can't get a background check to begin with....so they steal the guns or use straw buyers...making background checks useless and pointless.....

Meanwhile, as law abiding people in the 1990s began to buy, own and carry guns...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Brain357]

Comparing cities to states

invalid

Why because cities generally have LOWER rates of gun violence?

MMMMM...no...that can't be it...

Cities that have been controlled by the democrat party for decades have higher gun murder rates because they keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail....

Why do they keep doing that? Why won't they stop so that lives can be saved?

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

 

[2aguy]

If guns make us safe and secure, why so many gun deaths compared to other civilized nations?

Because idiot progressives illegally ban firearms where they can - creating victim zones. Such as schools.

The fact is, crime has been plummeting over the past 30 years as firearm sales have been skyrocketing. Game over.

Yes the BIG LIE, the grist of right wingers who use unrelated facts and unprincipled opinions. 'The fact is correlation does not prove causation.

No that is your mistake, thinking that gun ownership causes gun violence.....the fact is that democrats letting violent criminals out of jail repeatedly leads to gun crime....not law abiding people who own and carry guns for self defense

The synagogue mass shooter was law abiding till he wasn’t. Even had concealed carry

90% of murderers have long histories of crime and violence before they commit their first murder.... that leaves 10% who have no record...and you would need to show this guy had no contacts with the police and no history of violence to prove your point....we will wait for your evidence.

 

[Brain357]

Ownership has always been low, hence few mass shootings and low homicide rates.

Nope, their culture is different..... one mass public shooting every 10 years when they had guns.....now they almost had 4 in the last few years, which were only stopped because of dumb luck......that is what you call an escalation....after they banned and confiscated guns....their violent crime rates are going up.....and they are handicapping their police.

You keep using the term, "Violent Crime Rate". Now, look at the Gun Crime Rate in order to come up with a comparison. The Brits idea of a Violent Crime Rate is a punch in the nose. Apples and Oranges. Take a gander at this chart.

Sorry, your chart has no link as to it's origin.....and as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%.....that is a fact...you guys keep mixing criminals who use illegal guns they can't buy, own or carry, with normal, law abiding gun owners....and think you are making a valid point...you aren't...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes decreased right after getting background checks.

Nope, you have never explained how background checks stop criminals from getting illegal guns..since they can't buy, own or carry a gun and can't get a background check to begin with....so they steal the guns or use straw buyers...making background checks useless and pointless.....

Meanwhile, as law abiding people in the 1990s began to buy, own and carry guns...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes decreased right after getting background checks.

 

[2aguy]

Comparing cities to states

invalid

Why because cities generally have LOWER rates of gun violence?

MMMMM...no...that can't be it...

Cities that have been controlled by the democrat party for decades have higher gun murder rates because they keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail....

Why do they keep doing that? Why won't they stop so that lives can be saved?

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

No, we have the highest short term incarceration rate....democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians let violent, known, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again.....keeping a killer in jail for under 3 years isn't helping...

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What this all boils down to is whether or not you believe that a person can and should have a right to protect themselves with a gun from others who attack them with a gun.

 

[Brain357]

If guns make us safe and secure, why so many gun deaths compared to other civilized nations?

Because idiot progressives illegally ban firearms where they can - creating victim zones. Such as schools.

The fact is, crime has been plummeting over the past 30 years as firearm sales have been skyrocketing. Game over.

Yes the BIG LIE, the grist of right wingers who use unrelated facts and unprincipled opinions. 'The fact is correlation does not prove causation.

No that is your mistake, thinking that gun ownership causes gun violence.....the fact is that democrats letting violent criminals out of jail repeatedly leads to gun crime....not law abiding people who own and carry guns for self defense

The synagogue mass shooter was law abiding till he wasn’t. Even had concealed carry

90% of murderers have long histories of crime and violence before they commit their first murder.... that leaves 10% who have no record...and you would need to show this guy had no contacts with the police and no history of violence to prove your point....we will wait for your evidence.

So they hand out concealed carry to people with history of violence.

 

[Brain357]

Comparing cities to states

invalid

Why because cities generally have LOWER rates of gun violence?

MMMMM...no...that can't be it...

Cities that have been controlled by the democrat party for decades have higher gun murder rates because they keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail....

Why do they keep doing that? Why won't they stop so that lives can be saved?

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

No, we have the highest short term incarceration rate....democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians let violent, known, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again.....keeping a killer in jail for under 3 years isn't helping...

Your lies are getting old. You get proven wrong constantly and still lie. People are dying.

 

[2aguy]

Because idiot progressives illegally ban firearms where they can - creating victim zones. Such as schools.

The fact is, crime has been plummeting over the past 30 years as firearm sales have been skyrocketing. Game over.

Yes the BIG LIE, the grist of right wingers who use unrelated facts and unprincipled opinions. 'The fact is correlation does not prove causation.

No that is your mistake, thinking that gun ownership causes gun violence.....the fact is that democrats letting violent criminals out of jail repeatedly leads to gun crime....not law abiding people who own and carry guns for self defense

The synagogue mass shooter was law abiding till he wasn’t. Even had concealed carry

90% of murderers have long histories of crime and violence before they commit their first murder.... that leaves 10% who have no record...and you would need to show this guy had no contacts with the police and no history of violence to prove your point....we will wait for your evidence.

So they hand out concealed carry to people with history of violence.

Only when the government screws up and fails to submit their paperwork...like the Texas Church shooter when the Air Force forgot to send in his dishonorable discharge...or when the obama Promise Program diverted the Parkland shooter from actual jail time....when the government fails, people die....

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If guns make us safe and secure, why so many gun deaths compared to other civilized nations?

Because idiot progressives illegally ban firearms where they can - creating victim zones. Such as schools.

The fact is, crime has been plummeting over the past 30 years as firearm sales have been skyrocketing. Game over.

Yes the BIG LIE, the grist of right wingers who use unrelated facts and unprincipled opinions. 'The fact is correlation does not prove causation.

No that is your mistake, thinking that gun ownership causes gun violence.....the fact is that democrats letting violent criminals out of jail repeatedly leads to gun crime....not law abiding people who own and carry guns for self defense

The synagogue mass shooter was law abiding till he wasn’t. Even had concealed carry

More proof that background checks and confiscation will not work.

The only thing that will work is allowing people to arm themselves.

I don't like the "good guy with a gun" thing. I think it is wrong and gives the wrong impression.

It should be, "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun from killing you is you with a gun."

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Comparing cities to states

invalid

Why because cities generally have LOWER rates of gun violence?

MMMMM...no...that can't be it...

Cities that have been controlled by the democrat party for decades have higher gun murder rates because they keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail....

Why do they keep doing that? Why won't they stop so that lives can be saved?

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

No, we have the highest short term incarceration rate....democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians let violent, known, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again.....keeping a killer in jail for under 3 years isn't helping...

Your lies are getting old. You get proven wrong constantly and still lie. People are dying.

Unarmed people are dying.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Fact:

The risk of attacking someone who is armed is exponentially greater than the risk of attacking someone who is not armed.

I would like to see someone rebut that. And, in the unlikely event that someone can rebut the above fact, please tell our military to surrender all their guns and weapons.

 

[Brain357]

Why because cities generally have LOWER rates of gun violence?

MMMMM...no...that can't be it...

Cities that have been controlled by the democrat party for decades have higher gun murder rates because they keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail....

Why do they keep doing that? Why won't they stop so that lives can be saved?

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

No, we have the highest short term incarceration rate....democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians let violent, known, repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again.....keeping a killer in jail for under 3 years isn't helping...

Your lies are getting old. You get proven wrong constantly and still lie. People are dying.

Unarmed people are dying.

We lose law enforcement at an alarming rate, they are all well armed. Many armed people are dying. Often suicide, sometimes accidents, sometimes in a shootout... meanwhile countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a fraction of ours...

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We lose law enforcement at an alarming rate, they are all well armed. Many armed people are dying. Often suicide, sometimes accidents, sometimes in a shootout... meanwhile countries with strong gun control have homicide rates a fraction of ours...

See post #437.

 

[Brain357]

Fact:

The risk of attacking someone who is armed is exponentially greater than the risk of attacking someone who is not armed.

I would like to see someone rebut that. And, in the unlikely event that someone can rebut the above fact, please tell our military to surrender all their guns and weapons.

That’s why we have a huge population of shitty people who are armed. Need to be armed to commit crime.