Profiles in wingnuttia

[Ravi]

The Washington Post today has a profile of Mike Vanderboegh, the 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama who last week posted a call for people to throw bricks through the windows at Democratic offices around the country to protest their votes for Health Care Reform. Whether the people who actually did this over the last week did so in reaction to his call to arms is not clear. But he's happy to take credit and others are crediting him too.


But Vanderboegh really is a classic exemplar of scream-at-your-TV tea-partyish extremism. A radical libertarian, champion of getting big government off the people's backs, his day job? Vanderboegh lives on government disability checks down outside of Birmingham, Alabama.



Classic | Talking Points Memo

 

[Valerie]

Principled civil disobedience???

"To all modern Sons of Liberty: THIS is your time. Break their windows. Break them NOW."

These were the words of Mike Vanderboegh, a 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama, who took to his blog urging people who opposed the historic health-care reform legislation -- he calls it "Nancy Pelosi's Intolerable Act" -- to throw bricks through the windows of Democratic offices nationwide.

"So, if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party [that they] cannot fail to hear, break their windows," Vanderboegh wrote on the blog, Sipsey Street Irregulars. "Break them NOW. Break them and run to break again. Break them under cover of night. Break them in broad daylight. Break them and await arrest in willful, principled civil disobedience. Break them with rocks. Break them with slingshots. Break them with baseball bats. But BREAK THEM."

In the days that followed, glass windows and doors were shattered at local Democratic Party offices and the district offices of House Democrats from Arizona to Kansas to New York. At least 10 Democratic lawmakers reported death threats, incidents of harassment or vandalism at their offices over the past week, and the FBI and Capitol Police are offering lawmakers increased protection.

Local Democratic Party officials in New York have called for Vanderboegh's arrest, believing he is implicated in the vandalism in Rochester, but Vanderboegh said he has not yet been questioned by any law enforcement authorities.

Vanderboegh was unapologetic in a 45-minute telephone interview with The Washington Post early Thursday. He said he believes throwing bricks through windows sends a warning to Democratic lawmakers that the health-care reform legislation they passed Sunday has caused so much unrest that it could result in a civil war.

 

[RodISHI]

People that live in glass houses should throw bricks. It is as bad as a thief calling the cops.

 

[Ravi]

Principled civil disobedience???

"To all modern Sons of Liberty: THIS is your time. Break their windows. Break them NOW."

These were the words of Mike Vanderboegh, a 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama, who took to his blog urging people who opposed the historic health-care reform legislation -- he calls it "Nancy Pelosi's Intolerable Act" -- to throw bricks through the windows of Democratic offices nationwide.

"So, if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party [that they] cannot fail to hear, break their windows," Vanderboegh wrote on the blog, Sipsey Street Irregulars. "Break them NOW. Break them and run to break again. Break them under cover of night. Break them in broad daylight. Break them and await arrest in willful, principled civil disobedience. Break them with rocks. Break them with slingshots. Break them with baseball bats. But BREAK THEM."

In the days that followed, glass windows and doors were shattered at local Democratic Party offices and the district offices of House Democrats from Arizona to Kansas to New York. At least 10 Democratic lawmakers reported death threats, incidents of harassment or vandalism at their offices over the past week, and the FBI and Capitol Police are offering lawmakers increased protection.

Local Democratic Party officials in New York have called for Vanderboegh's arrest, believing he is implicated in the vandalism in Rochester, but Vanderboegh said he has not yet been questioned by any law enforcement authorities.

Vanderboegh was unapologetic in a 45-minute telephone interview with The Washington Post early Thursday. He said he believes throwing bricks through windows sends a warning to Democratic lawmakers that the health-care reform legislation they passed Sunday has caused so much unrest that it could result in a civil war.

Yep. Principled civil disobedience would not include violence, imo.

 

[Jarhead]

The Washington Post today has a profile of Mike Vanderboegh, the 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama who last week posted a call for people to throw bricks through the windows at Democratic offices around the country to protest their votes for Health Care Reform. Whether the people who actually did this over the last week did so in reaction to his call to arms is not clear. But he's happy to take credit and others are crediting him too.


But Vanderboegh really is a classic exemplar of scream-at-your-TV tea-partyish extremism. A radical libertarian, champion of getting big government off the people's backs, his day job? Vanderboegh lives on government disability checks down outside of Birmingham, Alabama.



Classic | Talking Points Memo

Please, with all of your wisdom, show me how you can relate Vanderboergh to a typical tea partyer.
Now be careful. I will not take kindly to some partisan "assumption" talking point as it is useless to me.
Likewise, I will not take kindly to some photo of one or two people with a sign of Hitler out of thosuands in attendance.
Thanks in advance.

 

[RodISHI]

The Washington Post today has a profile of Mike Vanderboegh, the 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama who last week posted a call for people to throw bricks through the windows at Democratic offices around the country to protest their votes for Health Care Reform. Whether the people who actually did this over the last week did so in reaction to his call to arms is not clear. But he's happy to take credit and others are crediting him too.


But Vanderboegh really is a classic exemplar of scream-at-your-TV tea-partyish extremism. A radical libertarian, champion of getting big government off the people's backs, his day job? Vanderboegh lives on government disability checks down outside of Birmingham, Alabama.



Classic | Talking Points Memo

Please, with all of your wisdom, show me how you can relate Vanderboergh to a typical tea partyer.
Now be careful. I will not take kindly to some partisan "assumption" talking point as it is useless to me.
Likewise, I will not take kindly to some photo of one or two people with a sign of Hitler out of thosuands in attendance.
Thanks in advance.

I don't believe she can but the left needs to make it look like that to deflect what is heading their way.

 

[xotoxi]

A radical libertarian, champion of getting big government off the people's backs, his day job? Vanderboegh lives on government disability checks down outside of Birmingham, Alabama.

I love hypocrisy...it is the one virtue that distinguishes humans from gophers.

 

[Ravi]

The Washington Post today has a profile of Mike Vanderboegh, the 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama who last week posted a call for people to throw bricks through the windows at Democratic offices around the country to protest their votes for Health Care Reform. Whether the people who actually did this over the last week did so in reaction to his call to arms is not clear. But he's happy to take credit and others are crediting him too.


But Vanderboegh really is a classic exemplar of scream-at-your-TV tea-partyish extremism. A radical libertarian, champion of getting big government off the people's backs, his day job? Vanderboegh lives on government disability checks down outside of Birmingham, Alabama.



Classic | Talking Points Memo

Please, with all of your wisdom, show me how you can relate Vanderboergh to a typical tea partyer.
Now be careful. I will not take kindly to some partisan "assumption" talking point as it is useless to me.
Likewise, I will not take kindly to some photo of one or two people with a sign of Hitler out of thosuands in attendance.
Thanks in advance.

Typical? Doubtful. But there are more extremists in the movement than the Tea Party should be comfortable with.

 

[L.K.Eder]

liberal plant.

 

[editec]

Principled civil disobedience???

"To all modern Sons of Liberty: THIS is your time. Break their windows. Break them NOW."

These were the words of Mike Vanderboegh, a 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama, who took to his blog urging people who opposed the historic health-care reform legislation -- he calls it "Nancy Pelosi's Intolerable Act" -- to throw bricks through the windows of Democratic offices nationwide.

"So, if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party [that they] cannot fail to hear, break their windows," Vanderboegh wrote on the blog, Sipsey Street Irregulars. "Break them NOW. Break them and run to break again. Break them under cover of night. Break them in broad daylight. Break them and await arrest in willful, principled civil disobedience. Break them with rocks. Break them with slingshots. Break them with baseball bats. But BREAK THEM."

In the days that followed, glass windows and doors were shattered at local Democratic Party offices and the district offices of House Democrats from Arizona to Kansas to New York. At least 10 Democratic lawmakers reported death threats, incidents of harassment or vandalism at their offices over the past week, and the FBI and Capitol Police are offering lawmakers increased protection.

Local Democratic Party officials in New York have called for Vanderboegh's arrest, believing he is implicated in the vandalism in Rochester, but Vanderboegh said he has not yet been questioned by any law enforcement authorities.

Vanderboegh was unapologetic in a 45-minute telephone interview with The Washington Post early Thursday. He said he believes throwing bricks through windows sends a warning to Democratic lawmakers that the health-care reform legislation they passed Sunday has caused so much unrest that it could result in a civil war.

Yep. Principled civil disobedience would not include violence, imo.

Well you know what they say...

One man's civil disobedience is another man's lone gunman in the Texas schoolbook depository.

Oh, they don't say that?

Well, perhaps they ought to.

 

[Valerie]

Principled civil disobedience???

"To all modern Sons of Liberty: THIS is your time. Break their windows. Break them NOW."

These were the words of Mike Vanderboegh, a 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama, who took to his blog urging people who opposed the historic health-care reform legislation -- he calls it "Nancy Pelosi's Intolerable Act" -- to throw bricks through the windows of Democratic offices nationwide.

"So, if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party [that they] cannot fail to hear, break their windows," Vanderboegh wrote on the blog, Sipsey Street Irregulars. "Break them NOW. Break them and run to break again. Break them under cover of night. Break them in broad daylight. Break them and await arrest in willful, principled civil disobedience. Break them with rocks. Break them with slingshots. Break them with baseball bats. But BREAK THEM."

In the days that followed, glass windows and doors were shattered at local Democratic Party offices and the district offices of House Democrats from Arizona to Kansas to New York. At least 10 Democratic lawmakers reported death threats, incidents of harassment or vandalism at their offices over the past week, and the FBI and Capitol Police are offering lawmakers increased protection.

Local Democratic Party officials in New York have called for Vanderboegh's arrest, believing he is implicated in the vandalism in Rochester, but Vanderboegh said he has not yet been questioned by any law enforcement authorities.

Vanderboegh was unapologetic in a 45-minute telephone interview with The Washington Post early Thursday. He said he believes throwing bricks through windows sends a warning to Democratic lawmakers that the health-care reform legislation they passed Sunday has caused so much unrest that it could result in a civil war.

Yep. Principled civil disobedience would not include violence, imo.

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[American Horse]

The Washington Post today has a profile of Mike Vanderboegh, the 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama who last week posted a call for people to throw bricks through the windows at Democratic offices around the country to protest their votes for Health Care Reform. Whether the people who actually did this over the last week did so in reaction to his call to arms is not clear. But he's happy to take credit and others are crediting him too.


But Vanderboegh really is a classic exemplar of scream-at-your-TV tea-partyish extremism. A radical libertarian, champion of getting big government off the people's backs, his day job? Vanderboegh lives on government disability checks down outside of Birmingham, Alabama.



Classic | Talking Points Memo

From your link:

Born in Michigan and raised in Ohio, Vanderboegh said he was not always a libertarian. He once was active in the Young Socialist Alliance and the Progressive Labor Party. "In my youth, I was a communist," he said. But in the mid-1970s, Vanderboegh read Friedrich von Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom," among other books, and had an epiphany.

IMO he's a nut, part of a minscule minority.

 

[Ravi]

The Washington Post today has a profile of Mike Vanderboegh, the 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama who last week posted a call for people to throw bricks through the windows at Democratic offices around the country to protest their votes for Health Care Reform. Whether the people who actually did this over the last week did so in reaction to his call to arms is not clear. But he's happy to take credit and others are crediting him too.


But Vanderboegh really is a classic exemplar of scream-at-your-TV tea-partyish extremism. A radical libertarian, champion of getting big government off the people's backs, his day job? Vanderboegh lives on government disability checks down outside of Birmingham, Alabama.



Classic | Talking Points Memo

From your link:

Born in Michigan and raised in Ohio, Vanderboegh said he was not always a libertarian. He once was active in the Young Socialist Alliance and the Progressive Labor Party. "In my youth, I was a communist," he said. But in the mid-1970s, Vanderboegh read Friedrich von Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom," among other books, and had an epiphany.

IMO he's a nut, part of a minscule minority.

One of the many "liberals" that grow up to be "conservatives."

 

[American Horse]

Principled civil disobedience???

Yep. Principled civil disobedience would not include violence, imo.

Well you know what they say...

One man's civil disobedience is another man's lone gunman in the Texas schoolbook depository.

Oh, they don't say that?

Well, perhaps they ought to.

An allusion to Lee Harvey Oswald, the Communist Sympathizer who shot Kennedy I presume. Oswald was a native of Louisiana.

 

[del]

The Washington Post today has a profile of Mike Vanderboegh, the 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama who last week posted a call for people to throw bricks through the windows at Democratic offices around the country to protest their votes for Health Care Reform. Whether the people who actually did this over the last week did so in reaction to his call to arms is not clear. But he's happy to take credit and others are crediting him too.


But Vanderboegh really is a classic exemplar of scream-at-your-TV tea-partyish extremism. A radical libertarian, champion of getting big government off the people's backs, his day job? Vanderboegh lives on government disability checks down outside of Birmingham, Alabama.



Classic | Talking Points Memo

From your link:

Born in Michigan and raised in Ohio, Vanderboegh said he was not always a libertarian. He once was active in the Young Socialist Alliance and the Progressive Labor Party. "In my youth, I was a communist," he said. But in the mid-1970s, Vanderboegh read Friedrich von Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom," among other books, and had an epiphany.

IMO he's a nut, part of a minscule minority.

One of the many "liberals" that grow up to be "conservatives."

no, one of the many nuts who grow up to be nuts.

 

[Jarhead]

The Washington Post today has a profile of Mike Vanderboegh, the 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama who last week posted a call for people to throw bricks through the windows at Democratic offices around the country to protest their votes for Health Care Reform. Whether the people who actually did this over the last week did so in reaction to his call to arms is not clear. But he's happy to take credit and others are crediting him too.


But Vanderboegh really is a classic exemplar of scream-at-your-TV tea-partyish extremism. A radical libertarian, champion of getting big government off the people's backs, his day job? Vanderboegh lives on government disability checks down outside of Birmingham, Alabama.



Classic | Talking Points Memo

Please, with all of your wisdom, show me how you can relate Vanderboergh to a typical tea partyer.
Now be careful. I will not take kindly to some partisan "assumption" talking point as it is useless to me.
Likewise, I will not take kindly to some photo of one or two people with a sign of Hitler out of thosuands in attendance.
Thanks in advance.

Typical? Doubtful. But there are more extremists in the movement than the Tea Party should be comfortable with.

Really? Please explain.
I do not see that.
I see the pro life and pro choice groups with more violence. As a matrter of fact, I have yet to see any violence from the tea partyers. Yes, some anti HC people...but not yet from the tea partyers themselves that I know for sure of.
So I am all ears and open. I mean it. I am open to being wrong.
What violence are you referring to?

 

[Ravi]

Please, with all of your wisdom, show me how you can relate Vanderboergh to a typical tea partyer.
Now be careful. I will not take kindly to some partisan "assumption" talking point as it is useless to me.
Likewise, I will not take kindly to some photo of one or two people with a sign of Hitler out of thosuands in attendance.
Thanks in advance.

Typical? Doubtful. But there are more extremists in the movement than the Tea Party should be comfortable with.

Really? Please explain.
I do not see that.
I see the pro life and pro choice groups with more violence. As a matrter of fact, I have yet to see any violence from the tea partyers. Yes, some anti HC people...but not yet from the tea partyers themselves that I know for sure of.
So I am all ears and open. I mean it. I am open to being wrong.
What violence are you referring to?

If you'd like to make the case that this man is not a Tea Partier, have at it.

 

[Jarhead]

Typical? Doubtful. But there are more extremists in the movement than the Tea Party should be comfortable with.

Really? Please explain.
I do not see that.
I see the pro life and pro choice groups with more violence. As a matrter of fact, I have yet to see any violence from the tea partyers. Yes, some anti HC people...but not yet from the tea partyers themselves that I know for sure of.
So I am all ears and open. I mean it. I am open to being wrong.
What violence are you referring to?

If you'd like to make the case that this man is not a Tea Partier, have at it.

Did he say he was a Tea Partyer?

 

[American Horse]

The Washington Post today has a profile of Mike Vanderboegh, the 57-year-old former militiaman from Alabama who last week posted a call for people to throw bricks through the windows at Democratic offices around the country to protest their votes for Health Care Reform. Whether the people who actually did this over the last week did so in reaction to his call to arms is not clear. But he's happy to take credit and others are crediting him too.


But Vanderboegh really is a classic exemplar of scream-at-your-TV tea-partyish extremism. A radical libertarian, champion of getting big government off the people's backs, his day job? Vanderboegh lives on government disability checks down outside of Birmingham, Alabama.



Classic | Talking Points Memo

From your link:

Born in Michigan and raised in Ohio, Vanderboegh said he was not always a libertarian. He once was active in the Young Socialist Alliance and the Progressive Labor Party. "In my youth, I was a communist," he said. But in the mid-1970s, Vanderboegh read Friedrich von Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom," among other books, and had an epiphany.

IMO he's a nut, part of a minscule minority.

One of the many "liberals" that grow up to be "conservatives."

One of the liberals that grows up and has an identity crisis.

 

[Jarhead]

Typical? Doubtful. But there are more extremists in the movement than the Tea Party should be comfortable with.

Really? Please explain.
I do not see that.
I see the pro life and pro choice groups with more violence. As a matrter of fact, I have yet to see any violence from the tea partyers. Yes, some anti HC people...but not yet from the tea partyers themselves that I know for sure of.
So I am all ears and open. I mean it. I am open to being wrong.
What violence are you referring to?

If you'd like to make the case that this man is not a Tea Partier, have at it.

I am enjoying this debate and would like to answer you but you have more information than I do. So beofre I answer the question, I need to know.

Did he say he was a tea partyer?