Probation as Punishment

[presonorek]

Is probation a good punishment? Usually on probation convicted persons are required to obtain/maintain employment, remain drug free, abstain from association with other criminals, perform community service and live a crime free life.

If the person committed a crime then they must be a danger to society. Why is this punishment so commonly used with no regard to public safety? Does this probationary period offer some sort of rehabilitation? Is this just away to solve overcrowded prison populations? What gives? Is this the best way to handle crime?

 

[Moonglow]

Depends what one is on probation for and whether they have to fulfill certain conditions.

 

[Moonglow]

If the person committed a crime then they must be a danger to society.

Damn those who are late paying real estate taxes or excise and property taxes!

 

[presonorek]

Depends what one is on probation for and whether they have to fulfill certain conditions.

Tying someone to a chair and punching them in the face with brass knuckles is one crime I have heard someone receiving probation for.

 

[presonorek]

Damn those who are late paying real estate taxes or excise and property taxes!

Dang. I thought these were civil matters.

 

[progressive hunter]

Is probation a good punishment? Usually on probation convicted persons are required to obtain/maintain employment, remain drug free, abstain from association with other criminals, perform community service and live a crime free life.

If the person committed a crime then they must be a danger to society. Why is this punishment so commonly used with no regard to public safety? Does this probationary period offer some sort of rehabilitation? Is this just away to solve overcrowded prison populations? What gives? Is this the best way to handle crime?

most crimes are not a crime against people so they are not a danger to society,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Tying someone to a chair and punching them in the face with brass knuckles is one crime I have heard someone receiving probation for.

if thats true its a travesty of justice,,

 

[White 6]

Is probation a good punishment? Usually on probation convicted persons are required to obtain/maintain employment, remain drug free, abstain from association with other criminals, perform community service and live a crime free life.

If the person committed a crime then they must be a danger to society. Why is this punishment so commonly used with no regard to public safety? Does this probationary period offer some sort of rehabilitation? Is this just away to solve overcrowded prison populations? What gives? Is this the best way to handle crime?

They also have to check in, meeting with (in person) a probation office and actually pay to be on probation. On first offense, it might be effective, later, not so much. If they don't have a decent job, it can be expensive, which is punishment.

 

[presonorek]

most crimes are not a crime against people so they are not a danger to society,,,

Then why did lawmakers make these actions crimes if there are no victims?

 

[progressive hunter]

Then why did lawmakers make these actions crimes if there are no victims?

there in lies the problem,,,

why is weed illegal when it hurts no one??

 

[presonorek]

if thats true its a travesty of justice,,

It could be a tall tale. It’s not like I actually attended the trial. I heard it from the perpetrator himself. He was a coworker of mine. We were all worried he was going to be going to prison for a while and he was a good worker. He claimed that was what he had done. He was being charged with wrongful imprisonment and assault.

He could have embellished on the story. I never really questioned it until you just now said that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Is probation a good punishment? Usually on probation convicted persons are required to obtain/maintain employment, remain drug free, abstain from association with other criminals, perform community service and live a crime free life.

If the person committed a crime then they must be a danger to society. Why is this punishment so commonly used with no regard to public safety? Does this probationary period offer some sort of rehabilitation? Is this just away to solve overcrowded prison populations? What gives? Is this the best way to handle crime?

Probation isn't a punishment.

It is the final warning - if you break then terms of probation, then you're supposed to be punished.

 

[presonorek]

there in lies the problem,,,

why is weed illegal when it hurts no one??

Money?

 

[Uncensored2008]

They also have to check in, meeting with (in person) a probation office and actually pay to be on probation. On first offense, it might be effective, later, not so much. If they don't have a decent job, it can be expensive, which is punishment.

Bullshit.

Probation nearly never involves any sort of check in or follow up. It's just a mark on the record so if the person is arrested again while on probation they are supposed to be locked up immediately.

Of course it doesn't work that way, probation means they got off scot-free.

 

[Paleman]

there in lies the problem,,,

why is weed illegal when it hurts no one??

I ask you this, why is the possession of a gun illegal in so many jurisdictions, when a gun has never hurt anyone? Just like a car, knife, or hammer.

 

[progressive hunter]

Bullshit.

Probation nearly never involves any sort of check in or follow up. It's just a mark on the record so if the person is arrested again while on probation they are supposed to be locked up immediately.

Of course it doesn't work that way, probation means they got off scot-free.

sorry but I have been on it 3 times and everytime I had to check in and follow up,, one even had me come in 3 times a week in the morning for a breathalyzer and twice a month for a drug test and my charges had nothing to do with drugs or drinking,,,

 

[presonorek]

Bullshit.

Probation nearly never involves any sort of check in or follow up. It's just a mark on the record so if the person is arrested again while on probation they are supposed to be locked up immediately.

Of course it doesn't work that way, probation means they got off scot-free.

Supervised probation requires you to check in with a probation officer, usually monthly.

You are right though. Unsupervised probation doesn’t require anything at all other than being crime free. Which is dumb. That applies to everybody anyways.

 

[progressive hunter]

I ask you this, why is the possession of a gun illegal in so many jurisdictions, when a gun has never hurt anyone? Just like a car, knife, or hammer.

because pussy republicans lied to us and didnt protect and defend the 2nd amendment is why,,,

 

[presonorek]

because pussy republicans lied to us and didnt protect and defend the 2nd amendment is why,,,

I hate the weakness of Republicans.

 

[1srelluc]

How effective it is depends on the state, jurisdiction, and even down to the parole officer.