"Pro life" is not a conservative position.

[BackAgain]

I think Zafira Cherry has changed her handle.

Zafira is such a trickster?

 

[Concerned American]

I hope all goes smoothly for you.

After numerous delays, it is implanted--11 hours later, it is in. All is well. Thanks for the good wishes.

 

[BackAgain]

Drawing the line fallacy.

So you have a label for what you’re doing?

That suggests you engage in it deliberately.

Thanks for the confession.

 

[Trickster]

It kinda does.

Hahaha, kind of? It literally does not.

Granted, it may not implant. But that’s an issue of pregnancy. Not of life.

Yeah, so claimng it begins at conception is scientifically incorrect. There are more steps to follow for ir to result in pregnancy.

Life begins at conception. And whether you like it or not doesn’t matter. It’s a scientific fact.

Nope.

 

[TNHarley]

The government shoves “morality” down people’s throats via most laws

Theft
Vandalism
Rape
Murder
Assault
Etc.

That involves impeding on other people.
Stop being so emotional, and try using logic.

 

[Couchpotato]

That involves impeding on other people.
Stop being so emotional, and try using logic.

You mean like killing them? Like abortion does?

 

[Couchpotato]

what "life" is it that you are pro?

all life.

Imagine the bright and ambitious college student pursuing a degree to fulfill her dream. She ends up unwillingly pregnant. Now what? Sacrifice that dream for the lifelong responsbility of parenthood. Raising an unwanted child. How is life for that child? How is asking for misery to "celebrate life"?

Or, since you love appeals to emotoon, think a bubbly, innocent 11 year old who likes nail polish and soccer. She gets pregnant. Demanding her to carry to terms is "defending life"? Really? A child as a mother, great society you are building.

You don't get to kill people because their existence is inconvenient for you. If you could, there would be far more dead people in this world.

The pro choice argument is the one based on emotion, as we can clearly see from your post. My position is that you shouldnt be allowed to murder people. That's it. I guess that's an "emotional" take but if so, ok. You're argument is that women should be allowed to kill a specific subset of people because the existence of those individuals might lead to them "not living their best life". That for sure is an emotional argument.

 

[TNHarley]

You mean like killing them? Like abortion does?

They dont have human rights like people that are born do.

 

[TNHarley]

murder

^^^emotion

 

[BrokeLoser]

They dont have human rights like people that are born do.

It seems you have inaccurately framed your premise.
You believe as the purple hair nose ringing SJW with black wide-framed glasses does…that a fetus is not a life. Am I right?

 

[Couchpotato]

They dont have human rights like people that are born do.

Yeah and my position is that they should. Not sure why that's so very difficult for you to understand. I dont think as a society we should confer rights based on location.

 

[Couchpotato]

^^^emotion

So if you argue against me shooting you in the face it's just emotional. Got it.

What about killing your wife and kids? Is any argument you make against that just an emotional one?

 

[TNHarley]

It seems you have inaccurately framed your premise.
You believe as the purple hair nose ringing SJW with black wide-framed glasses does…that a fetus is not a life. Am I right?

nope

 

[TNHarley]

So if you argue against me shooting you in the face it's just emotional. Got it.

You use terms to appease peoples emotions.

 

[Concerned American]

^^^emotion

Murder

 

[Couchpotato]

nope

So you believe that a fetus is a human life it's just a human life you're ok with murdering?

 

[TNHarley]

Yeah and my position is that they should. Not sure why that's so very difficult for you to understand. I dont think as a society we should confer rights based on location.

Its a lot more than location.
Instead of abortion, lets just cut out that 8 week fetus, so it can live on its own. How about that?
Oh yeah, it will die almost immediately. Silly me
So I guess the second best thing is for the woman to lose the most basic and important human right, for something that cant even live outside the womb.

 

[Trickster]

all life.

then you are guilty of friggen mass-genocide by your own standards, but of course you do not actually believe this.

You don't get to kill people because their existence is inconvenient for you. If you could, there would be far more dead people in this world.

ZEF:s are not people by any metric. It is an asdrttion that is scientifically inaccurate and philosophically inept. It is straight up outrageous.

The pro choice argument is the one based on emotion, as we can clearly see from your post.

Absolutely not. My argument throughout this thread has been philosophically solid and biologically accurate. The emotionalism has always come from your side ("innocent", "unborn"and " look at this picture").

Being anti-abortion is morally reprehensible.

My position is that you shouldnt be allowed to murder people. That's it. I guess that's an "emotional" take but if so, ok. You're argument is that women should be allowed to kill a specific subset of people because the existence of those individuals might lead to them "not living their best life". That for sure is an emotional argument.

The claim that life begins at conception completely collapses under scrutiny because it is both scientifically inaccurate and philosophically inept.

Biologically speaking there is life before conception as both sperm and egg are alive, they even contain DNA, but even the anti-abortionists realizes that granting them rights would be outrageous (even if "alive" and "DNA" are their most used arguments). At conception a zygote is formed, still a single cell organism and human bengs are certainly not single cell organisms and it is therefore not yet life in the human sense of the word (personhood) and we are not even at the stage of pregnancy yet and are not even guaranteed to ever see it happen. So, how can life begin at conception when it might not even result in pregnancy (it fails to do so in up to 70% of cases)? It is simply an outrageous claim.

A pregnancy test will not be positive, but somehow the implication of the argument is that the woman is now pregnant?

48 long hours after conception, the embryo still only consists of a handful of cells and the claim that this microscopic organism with no brain or nervous system is morally and legally equal to a fully developed human is absurd. To assert it takes precendence over the pregnant woman (in some cases girl) is monstrous and immoral.

The embryo has not even reached the uterus yet. Often times it does not successfully implant and if life actually begins at conception it logically follows that the woman's body has naturally murdered a person. But, no anti-abortionist would claim that because they know it would be outrageous. If everything goes right, it is not until two weels after conception that the pregnancy actually begins.

But, even at this early stage a lot of cases are miscarriages before the woman even knows she is pregnant. So, truth is that life does not begin at conception. Conception is simply the starting point of a very long process that only if completely uninterrupted for more than nine months will result in the birth of a human person (and even then stillbirth can happen).

Life does not begin at conception. That is not science and we do not write laws or strip away rights based on potential in any other context.

All the way up intil birth the ZEF is no more than a potential life and even "viability" is a stageof potentiality. Ths is why only the pregnant woman (god forbid girl) has a say. She is the only one with rights.

 

[TNHarley]

murdering

More emotion

 

[Couchpotato]

You use terms to appease peoples emotions.

Which terms? Murder? The definition of murder is the intentional killing of another human being. The fetus inside the woman is a human and it's alive and a separate being. It's not part of the woman it is 100% an individual. Abortion is certainly intentional and it kills that fetus. Not sure what else I should call it.