Pro-life at 51%

[DamnYankee]

What a shame they are so routine, then, and abortion clinics don't keep track of the stats.

1.5 million per year in the USA last I checked.

Just curious.... If abortion clinics don't keep track of the stats, where did you get them?

from a health book. i was referring to abortions in general. They don't keep stats I think means they don't document what term the pregnancy was in.

Well, see, the original statement was NOT about abortions in general. It was about LATE TERM abortions. So, it would be a good thing if we kept this particular part of the discussion on the same page, doncha think?

 

[elvis]

Just curious.... If abortion clinics don't keep track of the stats, where did you get them?

from a health book. i was referring to abortions in general. They don't keep stats I think means they don't document what term the pregnancy was in.

why would you assume that?

allie said they don't keep stats about how late the pregnancy was.

 

[elvis]

What a shame they are so routine, then, and abortion clinics don't keep track of the stats.

Just curious.... If abortion clinics don't keep track of the stats, where did you get them?

from a health book. i was referring to abortions in general. They don't keep stats I think means they don't document what term the pregnancy was in.

Well, see, the original statement was NOT about abortions in general. It was about LATE TERM abortions. So, it would be a good thing if we kept this particular part of the discussion on the same page, doncha think?

already been told that.

 

[DamnYankee]

What a shame they are so routine, then, and abortion clinics don't keep track of the stats.

from a health book. i was referring to abortions in general. They don't keep stats I think means they don't document what term the pregnancy was in.

Well, see, the original statement was NOT about abortions in general. It was about LATE TERM abortions. So, it would be a good thing if we kept this particular part of the discussion on the same page, doncha think?

already been told that.

Yeah, well.... I was out....

 

[Neser Boha]

Third trimester abortions are rare and occur when a woman and her DOCTOR decide there's no other choice.

It's one of those fabricated issues that the religious right loves to rely on because of the visceral response to it.... it's mostly a non-issue.

Amniocentesis is usually performed sometime between the 15th and 18th week of a pregnancy...

so thanks for your "limit", but no thanks....

that is just one of the reasons why you need to get out of the way and leave the decision between a woman (and her significant other if she chooses), her doctor and her G-d...

you know, like it is now....

regardless of the religious right's propaganda.

Agree totally...

Just would like to add a bit of an acidic statement...

I am a woman and I take it as a personal offense and an insult that anyone should suggest that I don't have TOTAL and singular control over my body. And to all those that suggest that they have a say in my bodily functions I say - **** YOU!

If it were only your body and your life.. I would agree with you... but the simple fact is that there is another body and life involved... and I only wish that that little life had the ability to tell you "**** YOU"

As long as IT is a part of my body, the government nor anyone else has no claim over it and no RIGHT to tell me what to do with it. This is a a LEGAL issue and should be purely a legal issue. It's usually the religious freaks that mix up morality with legality by injecting emotions into it that have no place in a legal system. Do you know what objectivity is? It is something taught in college, maybe you should look into it.

Whether it is moral or right has nothing to do with it. Also, as a man - you simply have no say in the matter. You can just state your opinion as our legal system makes possible, but that's - unfortunately for you - it. If you were a woman, what you'd do with your little zygote or fetus would be totally up to you... the legal system would only guarantee you the possibility to terminate the medical condition if you chose so.

There are lots of immoral actions that are not punishable by law nor should they be. You control freaks need to lay the hell off.


Does the fact that men are totally and utterly NOT in control when it comes to these issues give you the willies? Ha ha ha, suck it up because you can't do SHIT about it, sweetheart. As far as this issue goes, this is the woman's world.

Ta-ta!

 

[DiamondDave]

Agree totally...

Just would like to add a bit of an acidic statement...

I am a woman and I take it as a personal offense and an insult that anyone should suggest that I don't have TOTAL and singular control over my body. And to all those that suggest that they have a say in my bodily functions I say - **** YOU!

If it were only your body and your life.. I would agree with you... but the simple fact is that there is another body and life involved... and I only wish that that little life had the ability to tell you "**** YOU"

As long as IT is a part of my body, the government nor anyone else has no claim over it and no RIGHT to tell me what to do with it. This is a a LEGAL issue and should be purely a legal issue. It's usually the religious freaks that mix up morality with legality by injecting emotions into it that have no place in a legal system. Do you know what objectivity is? It is something taught in college, maybe you should look into it.

Whether it is moral or right has nothing to do with it. Also, as a man - you simply have no say in the matter. You can just state your opinion as our legal system makes possible, but that's - unfortunately for you - it. If you were a woman, what you'd do with your little zygote or fetus would be totally up to you... the legal system would only guarantee you the possibility to terminate the medical condition if you chose so.

There are lots of immoral actions that are not punishable by law nor should they be. You control freaks need to lay the hell off.


Does the fact that men are totally and utterly NOT in control when it comes to these issues give you the willies? Ha ha ha, suck it up because you can't do SHIT about it, sweetheart. As far as this issue goes, this is the woman's world.

Ta-ta!

No.. it is not a part of your body... it is a separate life... it's own DNA signature separate from yours

Just as you don't have a right to terminate a child under your care in any other circumstance, even if that child is not one you want or you feel there is something wrong with the child

Again.. you don't want to deal with the risk and consequences of pregnancy, keep your legs closed

Like they say in the carnivals.. "You pay your money you take your chances"

 

[elvis]

If it were only your body and your life.. I would agree with you... but the simple fact is that there is another body and life involved... and I only wish that that little life had the ability to tell you "**** YOU"

As long as IT is a part of my body, the government nor anyone else has no claim over it and no RIGHT to tell me what to do with it. This is a a LEGAL issue and should be purely a legal issue. It's usually the religious freaks that mix up morality with legality by injecting emotions into it that have no place in a legal system. Do you know what objectivity is? It is something taught in college, maybe you should look into it.

Whether it is moral or right has nothing to do with it. Also, as a man - you simply have no say in the matter. You can just state your opinion as our legal system makes possible, but that's - unfortunately for you - it. If you were a woman, what you'd do with your little zygote or fetus would be totally up to you... the legal system would only guarantee you the possibility to terminate the medical condition if you chose so.

There are lots of immoral actions that are not punishable by law nor should they be. You control freaks need to lay the hell off.


Does the fact that men are totally and utterly NOT in control when it comes to these issues give you the willies? Ha ha ha, suck it up because you can't do SHIT about it, sweetheart. As far as this issue goes, this is the woman's world.

Ta-ta!

No.. it is not a part of your body... it is a separate life... it's own DNA signature separate from yours

Just as you don't have a right to terminate a child under your care in any other circumstance, even if that child is not one you want or you feel there is something wrong with the child

Again.. you don't want to deal with the risk and consequences of pregnancy, keep your legs closed

Like they say in the carnivals.. "You pay your money you take your chances"

Doesn't even have to be part of her body. Just ask Obama.

 

[KittenKoder]

Look at all the babysitters we have, babysitting Americans like everyone in the US are children now. Why not give the government control of all our choices. Sounds good to me.

 

[Shogun]

Hey Nesser.. by all means.. HAVE complete control of your body while making decisions on who to **** and preventing unwanted pregnancy. However, a fetus is genetically distinct from YOUR body and, thus, is NOT YOUR BODY. You certainly DO have a choice here... But, the choice happens BEFORE the ******* begins.

I've seen this pendulum swinging back for a while now. It's time for a compromise on Abortion. You will regret throwing this into a batch of "purely legal issue", Nes.. I promise you'll change that line after abortion gets banned and is no longer a LEGAL OPTION. If abortion defenders put as much time, effort and energy into PREVENTING unwanted pregnancies as they do DEFENDING the killing of feti then this would be a non-issue. You've got a myriad of birth control options and the individual prerogative to use them. Do it and stop making excuses for killing human genetic individuals..

 

[KittenKoder]

Hey Nesser.. by all means.. HAVE complete control of your body while making decisions on who to **** and preventing unwanted pregnancy. However, a fetus is genetically distinct from YOUR body and, thus, is NOT YOUR BODY. You certainly DO have a choice here... But, the choice happens BEFORE the ******* begins.

I've seen this pendulum swinging back for a while now. It's time for a compromise on Abortion. You will regret throwing this into a batch of "purely legal issue", Nes.. I promise you'll change that line after abortion gets banned and is no longer a LEGAL OPTION. If abortion defenders put as much time, effort and energy into PREVENTING unwanted pregnancies as they do DEFENDING the killing of feti then this would be a non-issue. You've got a myriad of birth control options and the individual prerogative to use them. Do it and stop making excuses for killing human genetic individuals..

Here's a good compromise on everything: Let people decide for themselves what's good for them.

 

[Yurt]

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Here's a good compromise on everything: Let people decide for themselves what's good for them.

male and female....the two that created the fetus?

 

[KittenKoder]

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Here's a good compromise on everything: Let people decide for themselves what's good for them.

male and female....the two that created the fetus?

At this point in time, why the hell should I care? If the man wants to carry it let him, if the woman wants it out, let her get it out. Right or wrong, let her take the responsibility.

 

[DiamondDave]

And if the parent wishes to kill a newborn (or any other child/life under their care)... right or wrong... let then take the responsibility?

 

[KittenKoder]

And if the parent wishes to kill a newborn (or any other child/life under their care)... right or wrong... let then take the responsibility?

Newborn = already born. It's not a parasitic life at that point and someone else can take it. Next attempt to twist the discussion. This is about fetuses and lumps of cell tissue.

 

[DiamondDave]

And if the parent wishes to kill a newborn (or any other child/life under their care)... right or wrong... let then take the responsibility?

Newborn = already born. It's not a parasitic life at that point and someone else can take it. Next attempt to twist the discussion. This is about fetuses and lumps of cell tissue.

Not a parasite?? Baby, they're parasites for a while after they are born.. completely reliant on the parent(s)

Those fetuses and lumps of cell tissue are things that grow into viable adult humans.... not really just lumps of tissue... big difference

The key is that the fetus, the newborn, or any other young developing human life is indeed a separate life that is completely reliant on the parent.. there is no difference.. and they are all indeed lives, just in different stages of development

 

[Shogun]

Hey Nesser.. by all means.. HAVE complete control of your body while making decisions on who to **** and preventing unwanted pregnancy. However, a fetus is genetically distinct from YOUR body and, thus, is NOT YOUR BODY. You certainly DO have a choice here... But, the choice happens BEFORE the ******* begins.

I've seen this pendulum swinging back for a while now. It's time for a compromise on Abortion. You will regret throwing this into a batch of "purely legal issue", Nes.. I promise you'll change that line after abortion gets banned and is no longer a LEGAL OPTION. If abortion defenders put as much time, effort and energy into PREVENTING unwanted pregnancies as they do DEFENDING the killing of feti then this would be a non-issue. You've got a myriad of birth control options and the individual prerogative to use them. Do it and stop making excuses for killing human genetic individuals..

Here's a good compromise on everything: Let people decide for themselves what's good for them.

oh, you mean like drowning newborns in water tubs because the stress of dealing with crying babies is just too much to handle? OOOOK!

 

[Shogun]

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Here's a good compromise on everything: Let people decide for themselves what's good for them.

male and female....the two that created the fetus?

At this point in time, why the hell should I care? If the man wants to carry it let him, if the woman wants it out, let her get it out. Right or wrong, let her take the responsibility.

sorry. no. Enjoy the backs swinging pendulum.

 

[catzmeow]

But if you subject yourself to the process, you inherently accept the risks of your actions and you got to live with the consequences for your actions...

If you're playing along, and you want the fetus, you can have it implanted in your cranial space since you clearly aren't doing anything with it.

What you don't get is that for men, the risk of pregnancy is nil. Women are the ones who get to carry and clean up your little messes.

 

[KittenKoder]

And if the parent wishes to kill a newborn (or any other child/life under their care)... right or wrong... let then take the responsibility?

Newborn = already born. It's not a parasitic life at that point and someone else can take it. Next attempt to twist the discussion. This is about fetuses and lumps of cell tissue.

Not a parasite?? Baby, they're parasites for a while after they are born.. completely reliant on the parent(s)

Those fetuses and lumps of cell tissue are things that grow into viable adult humans.... not really just lumps of tissue... big difference

The key is that the fetus, the newborn, or any other young developing human life is indeed a separate life that is completely reliant on the parent.. there is no difference.. and they are all indeed lives, just in different stages of development

Parasite is something that requires a host, so yes, technically it is a parasite. Just changing the meaning of the words doesn't make your point right. It's only genetic material, a lump of cells, until it reaches a certain stage, so it's not even a human.

 

[Shogun]

And if the parent wishes to kill a newborn (or any other child/life under their care)... right or wrong... let then take the responsibility?

Newborn = already born. It's not a parasitic life at that point and someone else can take it. Next attempt to twist the discussion. This is about fetuses and lumps of cell tissue.

your are making a caveat to your "leave individuals alone and let them make their own choice" ALREADY?!?! you DONT SAY!


Here's an idea: Why don't you excercise your rights to choose whom to **** in the first place and AVOID the abortion conflict altogether with a little responsibility? Is that too tough? Too much to consider? Womens suffrage didn't happen so that women could murder a fetus. enjoy your personal autonomy AND your personal responsibility. When your lifestyle requires the killing of a genetic human distinction then you might want to re-evaluate what choices, EXACTLY, were once the fuel of the womans rights movement.