Pro-life at 51%

[AllieBaba]

Legalized abortion is one of the best ways to prevent crime....

The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Abortion is also good for the environment. When there are more people than this planet can support we could well end up killing each other or dying of hunger. Maybe both.

Those who would have women endlessly pump out babies against their will, claiming it's because of their respect for life, only facilitate our possible extinction. It's quite perverse of them to call themselves pro life.

What women are these? Because I've never heard of someone having a baby against her will.

You make the choice when you decide the risk of getting pregnant is worth it. That's when the choice over whether or not to create life is made.

Abortion is good for the environment? Are you ******* kidding me? Please provide some stats to back up these ridiculous allegations. That's about the stupidest thing I've heard in quite a while. You should get a prize.

But since we're just going to make idiotic emotional arguments and justification for murder, and treat them as though they are valid, I'll say this....abortion is bad for the environment because we're killing off a whole population of geniuses who might have the answer to the BIG questions.

 

[Newby]

Legalized abortion is one of the best ways to prevent crime....

The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Abortion is also good for the environment. When there are more people than this planet can support we could well end up killing each other or dying of hunger. Maybe both.

Those who would have women endlessly pump out babies against their will, claiming it's because of their respect for life, only facilitate our possible extinction. It's quite perverse of them to call themselves pro life.

Classic, exactly what I said your point of view would be a few posts back.

Pump out babies against their will???? DON'T HAVE SEX, there are CONSEQUENCES to your actions.

 

[Newby]

So, it's morally okay to kill a 12 week old baby, but not a 40 week old baby?

Why are you talking about killing newborns?

Okay, what about a 38 week old baby still in the womb, that's different than a 40 week old baby in the womb? When does it become a newborn?

 

[Shogun]

Do you say the same thing when cops arrest a murderer? I mean, thats the DIRTY WORK of my principal against murder, eh?

You probably shouldn't try and tangent into torture, yo... that one will blow up in your face.

Indeed, you may want to think as much but, legally, we've prosicuted abortions before in this country and we can do it again. Don't want my opinion in your vagina? Then stop turning your vagina into a death chamber.

Most abortions happen in the first trimester. If you want all those people not to have abortions, put a sign out and say you'll take care of the baby.
Before you scream "personal choice" and "close your legs" - save the rant. I deal with how it happens in real life, not some warped Utopian ideal that your moral high-ground vacuous, mind-numbing brain thinks the world should work. Start dealing with reality, then start giving practical solutions. We can all stand on our high horse. You do that a lot, with this and the Israel issues....

Again, who needs to hold a sign when voting will work just as well? There is no dispute that abortions were not always legal. Thus, they can become illegal again. Save your mellodrama for teh coathanger excuses.

You could also say that you deal with murder in real life, too. That a killer doesn't subscribe to some utopian concept that killing humans beings is against the law. I don't really care how you rationalize killing babies OR murderous killers. Call it utopian. Call it a moral high ground. If you want to act like a criminal savage then the rest of society will treat you like one.

ps, reality is not defined solely by how you think it should function. Go ask the ghost of David Ben Gurion all about utopian ideas and practical solutions. I'm sure you'll switch the foot you stood on when posting that giant pile of stupid.

 

[Shogun]

Hey Nesser.. by all means.. HAVE complete control of your body while making decisions on who to **** and preventing unwanted pregnancy. However, a fetus is genetically distinct from YOUR body and, thus, is NOT YOUR BODY. You certainly DO have a choice here... But, the choice happens BEFORE the ******* begins.

I've seen this pendulum swinging back for a while now. It's time for a compromise on Abortion. You will regret throwing this into a batch of "purely legal issue", Nes.. I promise you'll change that line after abortion gets banned and is no longer a LEGAL OPTION. If abortion defenders put as much time, effort and energy into PREVENTING unwanted pregnancies as they do DEFENDING the killing of feti then this would be a non-issue. You've got a myriad of birth control options and the individual prerogative to use them. Do it and stop making excuses for killing human genetic individuals..

I wish I could get you pregnant. You'd be singing a different tune.

Rather, I'd CHOOSE to require you to utilize every birth control option available before you came near me. You wouldn't get me preggos, ang. Responsibility is crazy like that.

 

[Shogun]

Don't want my opinion in your vagina? Then stop turning your vagina into a death chamber.

You've got issues, dude!

says the advocate of killing genetically distinct human beings. You'll have to forgive me for taking your criticism with the same amusement reserved for clown faced midgets and other assorted acts of comedy.

 

[Shogun]

Like I said... it's about the other human life involved.. not about your vagina.. you want to concrete up your vagina, carve it out, or turn it into a party room... all well and good...

OR, since you are the ultimate gatekeeper, enjoy the prerogative that your bra burning ancestors fought for and stop letting irresponsible decision turn your vagina into a trash receptacle at the park.

Has extreme vagina envy turned Shogun and Diamond Dave into a couple of very bitter bitches?

No, ang.. that would be the wholesale killing of human beings. I can see how you'd get confused though, ya vaginal pol pot.

 

[Anguille]

So, it's morally okay to kill a 12 week old baby, but not a 40 week old baby?

Why are you talking about killing newborns?

Okay, what about a 38 week old baby still in the womb, that's different than a 40 week old baby in the womb? When does it become a newborn?

When it's born.

You are dense, aren't you.

 

[Shogun]

Frankly, I think it's mostly MEN who are so anti-abortion and if they ever had to actually give birth themselves, it wouldn't even be an issue.

I think that's probably true. I understand the number used to be something like 80% of anti-choice activists were male.

It's a control thing... the religious right hasn't been able to stand it since the pill was invented.

And the proof of that? The same people who fight re-productive choice don't want birth control made readily available...... or the morning after pill...

and they preach "abstinence only"... which doesn't work. and is the sex version of fire and brimstone.

Then the harlots are supposed to take "responsibility' for their choice while the dads skip town and don't pay child support...

leaving single moms as the largest single group on welfare.

but the people who fight against your right to control what you do with your body also don't want to pay for welfare either.... or for job training... or anything else that would make the lives of these women easier.

because it's all about exacting pennance for their transgressions.

thats nothing less than three shades of ******* retarded. I can quote pages of posts by abortion opponents making it clear that no one gives a damn who you ****, how much you ****, and why you choose to ****. By all means.. go ****. but do so without having to kill a human as frivolously as pealing back a safety wrapper from a bottle of mouthwash.


after all.. I sure do strike you as a ******* morality monging jesus loving dogma junie, dont I? I guess the rhetorical bullshit the likes of which give Ken Mehlman orgasms is easier than facing the reality of the scraped remains of a genetic human individual. This is no more about "controlling" a woman than cops are just trying to "control" murderers.

 

[Shogun]

your are making a caveat to your "leave individuals alone and let them make their own choice" ALREADY?!?! you DONT SAY!


Here's an idea: Why don't you excercise your rights to choose whom to **** in the first place and AVOID the abortion conflict altogether with a little responsibility? Is that too tough? Too much to consider? Womens suffrage didn't happen so that women could murder a fetus. enjoy your personal autonomy AND your personal responsibility. When your lifestyle requires the killing of a genetic human distinction then you might want to re-evaluate what choices, EXACTLY, were once the fuel of the womans rights movement.

Responbility is a dirty word. Whenever you look at all the issues that the left loves to push on everyone else, it always has something to do with taking care of people who have not been responsible for themselves in some way or another. It's a way to get their grubby little hands on everyone's money while trying to pretend that they're only doing what's 'morally' right for 'every' citizen. There's no choice involved when it comes to forcing others to follow what they think is morally right, they have no problem with using legislation to force others into following their morality whatsoever. That's why they have to intertwine abortion and religion so zealously, so they have a 'good' reason to not allow your morals to disrupt their agenda. Their morals are a completely different story, however. It's funny how when you talk about the left and its agenda, hypocrasy is always the word that comes to mind first.

Shogun, does it not give you pause that someone like Newby agrees with you?

I don't collect followers, Ang. I agree and disagree with many people regardless. And, truthfully, with a sidekick like pedobear-postate do you think you should really be pointing a finger at anyone here?

 

[Anguille]

Hey Nesser.. by all means.. HAVE complete control of your body while making decisions on who to **** and preventing unwanted pregnancy. However, a fetus is genetically distinct from YOUR body and, thus, is NOT YOUR BODY. You certainly DO have a choice here... But, the choice happens BEFORE the ******* begins.

I've seen this pendulum swinging back for a while now. It's time for a compromise on Abortion. You will regret throwing this into a batch of "purely legal issue", Nes.. I promise you'll change that line after abortion gets banned and is no longer a LEGAL OPTION. If abortion defenders put as much time, effort and energy into PREVENTING unwanted pregnancies as they do DEFENDING the killing of feti then this would be a non-issue. You've got a myriad of birth control options and the individual prerogative to use them. Do it and stop making excuses for killing human genetic individuals..

I wish I could get you pregnant. You'd be singing a different tune.

Rather, I'd CHOOSE to require you to utilize every birth control option available before you came near me. You wouldn't get me preggos, ang. Responsibility is crazy like that.

Abstinence is the only birth control method that is 100% effective. If you don't want me to get you pregnant quit spreading your legs.

 

[Shogun]

Legalized abortion is one of the best ways to prevent crime....

The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Abortion is also good for the environment. When there are more people than this planet can support we could well end up killing each other or dying of hunger. Maybe both.

Those who would have women endlessly pump out babies against their will, claiming it's because of their respect for life, only facilitate our possible extinction. It's quite perverse of them to call themselves pro life.

Oh I KNOW! ground up fetus makes the BEST fertilizer!

 

[Shogun]

I wish I could get you pregnant. You'd be singing a different tune.

Rather, I'd CHOOSE to require you to utilize every birth control option available before you came near me. You wouldn't get me preggos, ang. Responsibility is crazy like that.

Abstinence is the only birth control method that is 100% effective. If you don't want me to get you pregnant quit spreading your legs.

Indeed, I have no problem ******* you in the ass, Ang.. If anal sex is what you crave then stop beating around the proverbial bush. I guess you've never sucked a dick before, eh?

 

[MaggieMae]

Like I said... it's about the other human life involved.. not about your vagina.. you want to concrete up your vagina, carve it out, or turn it into a party room... all well and good...

OR, since you are the ultimate gatekeeper, enjoy the prerogative that your bra burning ancestors fought for and stop letting irresponsible decision turn your vagina into a trash receptacle at the park.

Has extreme vagina envy turned Shogun and Diamond Dave into a couple of very bitter bitches?

It appears to me that both of them like to think they're unwilling co-participants in the whole pregnancy thing. How many women posting here, as younger and more fantasy prone romantics, ever heard the words breathlessly whispered "I'll pull out--I PROMISE!!"

Then they don't, leaving the girl to agonize for another month while the boy goes about his merry way.

 

[MaggieMae]

If a woman wants an abortion then fine, but to promote abortions and shit that has been done is OVER the ******* LINE.

Who the hell promotes abortion? I know of several women who have had abortions, and not one of them enjoyed the experience one iota...

Federal dollars asswipe! If a woman wants an abortion then make it expensive like an elective surgery and they foot the bill not the ******* tax payers! Maybe if it's expensive little molly and joey will take more precautions....you're a moron.

Explain how taxpayers foot the bill for abortions. Planned Parenthood may get some grant money, but that's funding already allocated for a myriad of similar community health programs.

Just because Roe v. Wade made abortion legal hardly means the procedure is automatically government funded. Hello?

 

[Shogun]

Like I said... it's about the other human life involved.. not about your vagina.. you want to concrete up your vagina, carve it out, or turn it into a party room... all well and good...

OR, since you are the ultimate gatekeeper, enjoy the prerogative that your bra burning ancestors fought for and stop letting irresponsible decision turn your vagina into a trash receptacle at the park.

Has extreme vagina envy turned Shogun and Diamond Dave into a couple of very bitter bitches?

It appears to me that both of them like to think they're unwilling co-participants in the whole pregnancy thing. How many women posting here, as younger and more fantasy prone romantics, ever heard the words breathlessly whispered "I'll pull out--I PROMISE!!"

Then they don't, leaving the girl to agonize for another month while the boy goes about his merry way.

and yet, by THAT point you've already failed in that little thing we call responsibility. What man has ever forced his dick into you to the point of promising to pull out? Hell, pregnancies ALREADY provide a net profit via child support. How the **** do you fathom that promising to pull out invalidates your CHOICE TO ALLOW THE PENIS INTO YOUR VAG IN THE FIRST ******* PLACE? Or, without condoms, spermacidal lube and a ******* diaphragm? You are hardly a damsel in pregnant distress here. Again, enjoy your PRE-ZIPPER choice. If that means that you don't get to feed your self esteem through giving unprotected ***** away then, I guess, there are always mechanical options for you.

 

[MaggieMae]

Federal dollars asswipe! If a woman wants an abortion then make it expensive like an elective surgery and they foot the bill not the ******* tax payers! Maybe if it's expensive little molly and joey will take more precautions....you're a moron.

Listen here Dogface, how do fed dollars PROMOTE abortion. Not inform, not give advice, but PROMOTE.
And you didn't address my post you dumb shit...

I see your mother decided not to abort you..shame really fatass!

Federal dollars goes to planned parent hood and most of that money I'm willing to bet goes to abortions...a girl comes in and is thinking about getting a ******* abortion and they ease the girls guilt and they do not give her other options...if that isn't promoting fatass then...I guess maybe you should go visit and see if you can be aborted now.

Wow, you act like such an authority on this whole subject. Unfortunately, you haven't done much homework.

Poll shows Sen. Harry Reid almost as unpopular in Nevada as Gov. Jim Gibbons | www.rgj.com | Reno Gazette-Journal

 

[MaggieMae]

Who the hell promotes abortion? I know of several women who have had abortions, and not one of them enjoyed the experience one iota...

Federal dollars asswipe! If a woman wants an abortion then make it expensive like an elective surgery and they foot the bill not the ******* tax payers! Maybe if it's expensive little molly and joey will take more precautions....you're a moron.

In other words lets go back to when the wealthy, who could afford to travel, got safe abortions and the not so wealthy got coathangers.
Please support your claim that fed money goes to subsidize abortion. Currently my taxes go to support unwanted children in a world where overpopulation is becoming a serious threat.

There's no need to even travel. All it takes is a doctor who will claim he did a D&C and the insurance will cover it too!!

 

[AllieBaba]

Who the hell promotes abortion? I know of several women who have had abortions, and not one of them enjoyed the experience one iota...

Federal dollars asswipe! If a woman wants an abortion then make it expensive like an elective surgery and they foot the bill not the ******* tax payers! Maybe if it's expensive little molly and joey will take more precautions....you're a moron.

Explain how taxpayers foot the bill for abortions. Planned Parenthood may get some grant money, but that's funding already allocated for a myriad of similar community health programs.

Just because Roe v. Wade made abortion legal hardly means the procedure is automatically government funded. Hello?

Planned Parenthood gets a LOT of grant money, and until the last 10 years or so, abortion was a procedure that your medical card would pay for.

Not only that, Planned Parenthood, which has an overhead of tens of millions, is a non-profit. A non-profit that isn't required to report accurately or answer to anyone.

 

[MaggieMae]

Glad you are not in the same country as me as well.. When a person like you believes you can arbitrarily choose what value to put on an innocent life... at your whim and for whatever convenience you wish

What next, choosing that the value of the life of an elderly person, who cannot do for themselves, is also not equal if it burdens their children? You can just decide to off them because you don't want the responsibility or the inconvenience? Devaluing the worth of an autistic child with no means to take care of themself, so off to get executed?

No.. life is to be protected, even if you feel inconvenienced

Your key word was "arbitarily," and she did not give you willy-nilly examples. She gave you a specific hypothesis.

The subject of what to do with the elderly who can no longer function at home and whose children are either unwilling or incapable of helping is stuff for a new thread. I'd like to see it discussed, because the political differences are sure to be uglier than the topic of abortion. I can almost hear the wails from the far right--WHY SHOULD MY TAX DOLLARS GO TO SUPPORT YOUR AGING PARENTS!!