Prince Andrew relinquishes his title and honors

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Not what I meant. I seriously doubt that the Crown didn’t know already what the late victim / author had to say. And most of us have seen him with her in a photo taken way back then.

When I wrote, “who knows,” I was unclear.

I meant who knows if the book had anything to do with Andrew’s chat with his brother, the King. It could be that there are some prosecutions pending? If so, maybe Andrew’s non Royal self will be called as a witness against whoever may yet be prosecuted?

Interesting. Prosecutions? Of who? Andrew as creepy as his toe sucking is won't be prosecuted. Bill Gates? Bill Clinton? Nope.

 

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Interesting. Prosecutions? Of who? Andrew as creepy as his toe sucking is won't be prosecuted. Bill Gates? Bill Clinton? Nope.

Interesting indeed. I don’t know that there will be any prosecutions of the Epstein shit. I also don’t know that there won’t be.

Some once possible prosecutions may now be time barred (if there were enough evidence at any time to warrant a prosecution).

But there may still be remaining avenues still open to justify some prosecutions (if the Government can demonstrate, for example, that proper charges include “conspiracy” crimes which may extend the statute of limitations).

Will any prosecutions of that miasma ever take place? As to Clinton and Gates, I seriously doubt it. Oh well. The law is the law.

 

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Interesting indeed. I don’t know that there will be any prosecutions of the Epstein shit. I also don’t know that there won’t be.

Some once possible prosecutions may now be time barred (if there were enough evidence at any time to warrant a prosecution).

But there may still be remaining avenues still open to justify some prosecutions (if the Government can demonstrate, for example, that proper charges include “conspiracy” crimes which may extend the statute of limitations).

Will any prosecutions of that miasma ever take place? As to Clinton and Gates, I seriously doubt it. Oh well. The law is the law.

Conspiracy to what? Whatever Conspiracy existed, that's what Ghislaine Maxwell is doing 20 year for. Epstein is dead. For as much as they tried, Trump has no part in any of it.

Epstein was a hysteria like many democrat hysterias.

 

[Mack The Finger]

Sounds like you're defending the kid ******.

marvin...the only thing the guy is guilty of...so far is a poor choice in friends. He is not convicted as of yet and you should respect that.

My family is from Armagh, north Ireland (15 minutes Belfast) and I am not fond of englanders.

 

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Conspiracy to what? Whatever Conspiracy existed, that's what Ghislaine Maxwell is doing 20 year for. Epstein is dead. For as much as they tried, Trump has no part in any of it.

Epstein was a hysteria like many democrat hysterias.

Conspiracy (in the law) only means that two or more people colluded together to violate the law relative to the underlying crime.

I have never assumed that Trump did anything criminal with Jizzlain or Epstein.

As to Maxwell, the charges were 18 U.S.C. § 371 and § 2422(b) and there is NO Federal Statute of Limitations for 2422.

The Johns involved could be charged with related offenses also involving no federal Statute of Limitations — even without any conspiracy element.

 

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Conspiracy (in the law) only means that two or more people colluded together to violate the law relative to the underlying crime.

I have never assumed that Trump did anything criminal with Jizzlain or Epstein.

As to Maxwell, the charges were 18 U.S.C. § 371 and § 2422(b) and there is NO Federal Statute of Limitations for 2422.

The Johns involved could be charged with related offenses also involving no federal Statute of Limitations — even without any conspiracy element.

The most extensive crime was trafficking. Not many minors were actually involved. Most were young naive women who thought Epstein was going to make them models.

 

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The most extensive crime was trafficking. Not many minors were actually involved. Most were young naive women who thought Epstein was going to make them models.

Being a John for a sex trafficked minor IS by definition sex trafficking.

I have no way of knowing how many of the females being put to such “uses” by Epstein and Maxwell were minors. And I’m not sure anyone does. Do you? Any sources?

 

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Being a John for a sex trafficked minor IS by definition sex trafficking.

I have no way of knowing how many of the females being put to such “uses” by Epstein and Maxwell were minors. And I’m not sure anyone does. Do you? Any sources?

Most of the females trafficked were 18 and over. Trafficked only because they were taken to the island or to the ranch in New Mexico.

I have no idea how many there really were and how many jumped on the bandwagon. That seems to be causing a problem. "I saw Jeffrey Epstein in an elevator when I was 12" doesn't count.

 

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Most of the females trafficked were 18 and over.

Source? link?

Trafficked only because they were taken to the island or to the ranch in New Mexico.

Taken there for purposes of prostitution.

I have no idea how many there really were and how many jumped on the bandwagon. That seems to be causing a problem. "I saw Jeffrey Epstein in an elevator when I was 12" doesn't count.

I don’t give a shit about that nonsense. I’d like to know which women or girls Gates and Clinton banged.

 

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Source? link?

Taken there for purposes of prostitution.

I don’t give a shit about that nonsense. I’d like to know which women or girls Gates and Clinton banged.

Of course they were taken there for the purpose of prostitution. That's the core of trafficking. Now, if the stories of what has come out are true, Bill Clinton didn't have anything to do with any of the girls. He was desperately in love with Ghislaine Maxwell. and was there because of her. Even in her interview, she said that Clinton was never Jeffrey's friend, but hers. Bill Gates? It was enough for his wife to dump his ass.

 

[Couchpotato]

The kid ****** did the right thing.

I don’t think he did so voluntarily

 

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Of course they were taken there for the purpose of prostitution. That's the core of trafficking. Now, if the stories of what has come out are true, Bill Clinton didn't have anything to do with any of the girls. He was desperately in love with Ghislaine Maxwell. and was there because of her. Even in her interview, she said that Clinton was never Jeffrey's friend, but hers. Bill Gates? It was enough for his wife to dump his ass.

You haven’t answered my question. I believe I already noted that taking someone to a spot for prostitution or going there yourself for that purpose can constitute trafficking.

Again, how is it that you claim to know that most of the women or girls taken there were over 18? (And, by “most,” are we talking about 51% or 90+%?)

What’s your source for that claim?

Can you share a link?

It matters if almost all of the female sex objects were (and were thus believed to be) above the age of 18. But it matters in a very different and important way if the majority of them were indeed the under the age of 18 and were believed by the Johns to be younger than 18. So, I’d really appreciate your source if you have one.

 

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You haven’t answered my question. I believe I already noted that taking someone to a spot for prostitution or going there yourself for that purpose can constitute trafficking.

Again, how is it that you claim to know that most of the women or girls taken there were over 18? (And, by “most,” are we talking about 51% or 90+%?)

What’s your source for that claim?

Can you share a link?

It matters if almost all of the female sex objects were (and were thus believed to be) above the age of 18. But it matters in a very different and important way if the majority of them were indeed the under the age of 18 and were believed by the Johns to be younger than 18. So, I’d really appreciate your source if you have one.

My source are interviews with the women. I do not have a library of all women that gave interviews. Especially over several weeks or months. One was 16, but she really didn't do anything.

 

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Oh wait!

Most recently, in July and August 2025, Donald Trump's comments about Jeffrey Epstein "stealing" Virginia Giuffre from his Mar-a-Lago resort drew widespread media attention and a response from Giuffre's family.

A memoir by Giuffre, who died by suicide in April 2025, was also published posthumously in October 2025 and details her early encounters with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell at Mar-a-Lago

So the "kid" was 16 year old Virginia Giuffre who had three sexual encounters with Prince Andrew (according to her book) one of which was when she was 18. Ahem, she got $15,000 cash, per, for letting him suck her toes

 

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My source are interviews with the women. I do not have a library of all women that gave interviews. Especially over several weeks or months. One was 16, but she really didn't do anything.

I don’t know which “women” or “girls” you interviewed. I don’t know how you got access to those females. I don’t know if they had an ax to grind one way or another.

So, the fact that you claim to have interviewed women or girls isn’t exactly persuasive.

 

[the watcher]

What is exactly is the Royal Families work? What do they do, exactly?

 

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I don’t know which “women” or “girls” you interviewed. I don’t know how you got access to those females. I don’t know if they had an ax to grind one way or another.

So, the fact that you claim to have interviewed women or girls isn’t exactly persuasive.

I haven't interviewed any. These were publicly given interviews. I did not keep a library of them, however. There is no doubt that Epstein was a truly, truly terrible person. The women, however, were very naive. The star of the show, Virginia Guiffre, was a prostitute, content to be a prostitute as an adult, and only changed her mind when, as an adult, a customer who wanted an exotic experience beat the crap out of her.

Virginia Giuffre beaten, raped by ‘well-known prime minister’ in attack that broke Epstein spell, her memoir reveals

“I had to accept that Epstein meted out praise merely as a manipulation to keep me subservient.”

nypost.com

 

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I haven't interviewed any. These were publicly given interviews. I did not keep a library of them, however. There is no doubt that Epstein was a truly, truly terrible person. The women, however, were very naive. The star of the show, Virginia Guiffre, was a prostitute, content to be a prostitute as an adult, and only changed her mind when, as an adult, a customer who wanted an exotic experience beat the crap out of her.

Virginia Giuffre beaten, raped by ‘well-known prime minister’ in attack that broke Epstein spell, her memoir reveals

“I had to accept that Epstein meted out praise merely as a manipulation to keep me subservient.”

nypost.com

There is zero support in FBI reports or public records or court documents for the claim that “most” of the females were of appropriate legal age.

Maybe many were 18 and older. Maybe most were under 18. Who knows?

I’m just saying that you don’t have a reliable basis for saying what you stated as a fact.

And if there are still “big fish” names out there demonstrating a link to any underage girls (those under 18) then all that should remain is to fully investigate them and if the credible evidence supports it, seeking an Indictment or two or more.

 

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There is zero support in FBI reports or public records or court documents for the claim that “most” of the females were of appropriate legal age.

Maybe many were 18 and older. Maybe most were under 18. Who knows?

I’m just saying that you don’t have a reliable basis for saying what you stated as a fact.

And if there are still “big fish” names out there demonstrating a link to any underage girls (those under 18) then all that should remain is to fully investigate them and if the credible evidence supports it, seeking an Indictment or two or more.

Yes, but it won't happen. As the court said, many of the visitors to the island, the ranch, the New York offices were business associates or democrats looking for donations. The word of the women will be paramount and many of them have been paid and won settlements.

 

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Yes, but it won't happen. As the court said, many of the visitors to the island, the ranch, the New York offices were business associates or democrats looking for donations. The word of the women will be paramount and many of them have been paid and won settlements.

May be. But, for quite a few more months, the President is a Republican and, thus, the policies of the GOP might just differ.