President Trump: Making America Normal Again

You only want to talk about the “Goodness of having a President Trump in our” White House …

I want to talk about the badness of having Trump in the White House as the authoritarian religious leader for the Republican Party’s White Christian Nationalist Church’s Propaganda Machine ~ personified in the human flesh of House Speaker Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson is not a Rational Christian. He is a Covenant Christian who attempted to cancel my sacred vote against Don Trump in the 2020 election. He did so after earlier on that day fleeing from the Republican J6 rioters who were removed from the Capitol. And told by a sitting President that he loved them and the violence they committed for him

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Jefferson was also a Christian promoting person who approved of and participated in worship services in the chambers of Congress when Congress was in recess, who as President favored/promoted Bible reading in the public schools, who was the leading voice demanding a Bill of Rights be included in the Constitution with freedom of religion the first right to be protected by the Constitution.

His letter to the Danbury Baptists was to respond to their request for the federal government to intervene in their conflict with the Connecticut congregationalists. He did so by affirming his conviction that the 'wall of separation' between Church and State was to protect the state from being controlled by any religious group and to protect any religious group from being controlled by the state. It was a polite way of telling them it would be inappropriate for the federal government to do that.

It was in no way intended to suggest or propose that those in government or anywhere else should be prohibited from any religious opinion or expressions.

The letter itself underwent many drafts circulated to several for opinions before it was sent to the Danbury Baptists. The final version sent to the church is this:

"To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802."


And to support his position on religious/Biblical content in the schools:

Jefferson giving his critique of a draft of the existing Constitution as it was being hammered out:

". . .I will now add what I do not like. First, the omission of a bill of rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for freedom of religion, freedom of the press, protection against standing armies, restriction against monopolies, the eternal and unremitting force of the habeas corpus laws, and trials by jury in all matters of fact triable by the laws of the land and not by the law of nations. . ."
 
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Jefferson was also a Christian promoting person

Your reply begins with a huge error. ……………

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If you study the actual history instead of finding a meme with a selectively edited quote, you will find that the context of this quote was within his argument for no state control over religion or religious freedom. He definitely advocated for the practice of Christianity including Bible reading in the public schools
 
He definitely advocated for the practice of Christianity including Bible reading in the public schools
Just never in his words. The Christian religion is opposed to human beings having freedom of mind. Christianity requires conformity of mind beginning with the required belief that mankind is cursed with original sin and death caused by Adam’s female helper who disobeyed God after being lured to eat of the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden.

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He did so by affirming his conviction that the 'wall of separation' between Church and State was to protect the state from being controlled by any religious group and to protect any religious group from being controlled by the state.
NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vsocas: Dr. D’Elia reports that Jefferson scorned as priestly fraud all of the following Catholic and Protestant tenets of Christianity;
  • the claims of Revelation
  • the Incarnation.
  • the Trinity,
  • Creation,
  • Original Sin,
  • Immaculate Conception,
  • Atonement,
  • Resurrection,
  • Real Presence of Christ”

His fellow, former president and friend to the end, John Adams, also rejected the above fundamental elements of the Christian religion.

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From you link:

“It may be objected that Jefferson, the man who drafted the Declaration, was hardly an orthodox Christian, and that is certainly the case.”

That’s a poor scholar. Universally and in common usage of our language, Jefferson was not a Christian in any sense of the word. Jesus Christ was not his Lord and Savior..

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
When you call Jefferson, you should also acknowledge the following reality

Jefferson believed that Jesus Of Nazareth was a mortal human. He was not the son of God. His mother was not a virgin. He did not die and then rise from the dead.

Jefferson believed The so-called Holy Bible was a corruption of the pure, simple deistic teachings of a man named Jesus.

Jefferson did not believe in original sin. He did not believe God sent his only son to Earth to die on the cross, according to Jewish prophecy and become the savior of mankind.

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When you call Jefferson, you should also acknowledge the following reality

Jefferson believed that Jesus Of Nazareth was a mortal human. He was not the son of God. His mother was not a virgin. He did not die and then rise from the dead.

Jefferson believed The so-called Holy Bible was a corruption of the pure, simple deistic teachings of a man named Jesus.

Jefferson did not believe in original sin. He did not believe God sent his only son to Earth to die on the cross, according to Jewish prophecy and become the savior of mankind.

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What he may or may not have personally believed in matter of religion is 100% irrelevant to his conviction that the state should have no control over religion nor should any religious group have control over the country.

And he did not see religion being expressed by the people in ANY context as a violation of that principle. While President he was named as the first President of the Washington D.C. School Board and approved of Bible reading in the school.

"To the corruptions of christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other.”
― Thomas Jefferson, The Jefferson Bible"

“Say nothing of my religion. It is known to my God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life; if that has been honest and dutiful to society, the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one. —Thomas Jefferson.”
― Thomas Jefferson, The Jefferson Bible - The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth

And to bring this back to the thread topic, I believe President Trump shares Jefferson's convictions that a person's religion is not to be interfered with by the state in any way and it is wrong to eradicate all religious expression from the government and its institutions.
 
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The Democrat lawfare continues. President Trump is being sued for:

Removing fraud and waste found in government, specifically USAID.
For returning dangerous gang members/criminal to their home countries
Removing dead people from the Social Security rolls.
And probably other things.

Fortunately he has insurmountable courage in these things and doesn't go down without a fight.
 
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Exchange between Senator Kennedy and RFK Jr this week?



The transcript for those who can't play the video or access the Facebook page:

Senator John Kennedy dismantled the entire Democrat narrative with a few simple questions to RFK Jr.:

Senator John Kennedy: How many employees were there at HHS when you took over?

Secretary: 82,000.

Senator John Kennedy: How many do you have today?

Secretary: 62,000.

Secretary: Okay. That's about the level it was in 2019, right before COVID.

Senator John Kennedy: Is this the first time that an institution in America has ever downsized?

Secretary: I don't think so. I think private and public institutions have...

Senator John Kennedy: Microsoft just announced that they were going to reduce their workforce by 6,000 people. Do you think that'll be the end of Microsoft?

Secretary: No, I don't think so, Senator.

Senator John Kennedy: Meta—I still call them Facebook—just announced they're going to reduce their workforce by 3,000 people. Do you think that'll be the end of Meta?

Secretary: I imagine it will not.

Senator John Kennedy: You think maybe the people at Meta know what they’re doing?

Secretary: I think that they do. They make a lot of money, Senator.

Senator John Kennedy: Do you hate NIH?

Secretary: I love NIH. I grew up with NIH. I visited it when I was a boy. I loved science, and those were my favorite afternoons—visiting the labs at NIH.

Senator John Kennedy: Do you hate medical research?

Secretary: No, I think we need to lead the world in medical research in this country.

Senator John Kennedy: In fact, isn't it true, Mr. Secretary, that you would like to see more money spent on medical research?

Secretary: Obviously, I'm the Secretary of this department, and no Secretary wants to see his budget cut.

Senator John Kennedy: Well, one way of doing that, it seems to me, would be to stop some of the stealing. And let me tell you what I mean by that: Let's suppose NIH gives a university $100 million to research a cure, and that university takes $30 million of it, doesn't spend it on the research, they use it to subsidize the rest of their university. Is that—does that show a commitment to medical research?

Secretary: No, I mentioned before the example of Stanford, which was taking 78% in indirect costs and we don't know what they were spending it on.

Senator John Kennedy: That’s theft, isn't it?

Secretary: It's not a good way to spend federal taxpayer dollars.

Senator John Kennedy: We call that stealing in Louisiana. We call that stealing. Is there any doubt in your mind that a lot of universities are taking this NIH money, which is supposed to be spent on medical research, and using it to fund other parts of their universities?

Secretary: And Senator, the other people who are writing grants, like the Gates Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, they pay 10% to 15% in indirect costs. We were paying 50%, 60%, 70%.

Senator John Kennedy: So, in fact, what you're doing is adding money to medical research, not cutting it!

Secretary: We will be able to fund many, many, many more studies by eliminating that $9 billion, at least part of that $9 billion cost.

Senator John Kennedy: Okay. I want to ask you about LIHEAP. Are you familiar with this GAO report they did on LIHEAP?

Secretary: I am not, Senator.

Senator John Kennedy: They found—they audited seven states. They found 11,000 dead people getting LIHEAP grants. You familiar with that?

Secretary: No, but that is pretty typical of many of the other programs that we're working with.

Senator John Kennedy: Some of them—they found prisoners getting grants, didn't they? Well, they using the grants to heat their jail cell?

Senator John Kennedy: They found 1,000 federal employees getting the grants, with federal salaries that greatly exceeded the income limits. They found some of those folks living in million-dollar homes.

Senator John Kennedy: I've got 18 seconds. Why do we allow highly processed foods in America?

Secretary: That's a complicated question, but it's driven by profits, by a food industry that is making money by poisoning American kids. And they don’t do it abroad; they make the same products for Canada and for Europe that do not contain many of those chemicals.

Senator John Kennedy: You understand, Mr. Secretary, there's nothing you can do that's gonna make many of my Democratic colleagues happy. You get that, don't you?

Secretary: I do understand. I'm coming to understand that, Senator.

Senator John Kennedy: Thank you.
 
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THE GREATEST SCANDAL IN AMERICAN HISTORY:

The fact that an unelected, unaccountable, dishonest and destructive 'deep state' was running our country for four years, aided and abetted by a surrogate propaganda machine we call the MSM/legacy media, is the worst scandal in U.S. History. And a scandal that violates every principle of the Constitution, national security, fiscal and moral integrity.

And they effectively wiped it off the front pages and evening news with the "sudden" knowledge of Biden's cancer. "Just like that" the scandal was gone.

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If there was no other reason not to allow a corrupt political party like the Democrats have been to get back into power, that scandal should be sufficient for anybody.
 
Foxfyre Post #808 May 22, 2025 …~… While President he {jffrsn} was named as the first President of the Washington D.C. School Board and approved of Bible reading in the school.


whut I asked: Did President Jefferson as the first President of the Washington D.C. School Board approve of Bible reading in the school.?

AI RESPONSE:

No, there is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Jefferson had any direct involvement with the Washington D.C. School Board or that he specifically approved of Bible reading in schools.While Jefferson strongly believed in the separation of church and state, his views on religion and education are not entirely consistent.

Here's a more detailed look at Jefferson's stance:
  • Separation of Church and State:
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    Jefferson is widely known for his belief in the separation of church and state, as exemplified in his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association where he used the metaphor of a "wall of separation," according to the Free Speech Center. He believed that state support for a particular religion was improper.

  • Secular University:
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    Jefferson founded the University of Virginia as a secular institution, barring religious instruction and activities from the school's program. He even barred a chaplain from the university, further affirming its commitment to secularism.

  • Jefferson Bible:
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    While Jefferson did not favor religious texts in schools, he did produce his own version of the New Testament, known as the "Jefferson Bible," which he edited to remove passages he considered unauthentic. This suggests a more nuanced view of religion than a complete rejection.

  • Education and Morality:
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    Jefferson emphasized the importance of education, particularly in the study of history and morality. He believed that children should be educated to be critical thinkers and understand the principles of a free society.

  • No Religious Instruction:
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    Jefferson opposed the use of religious texts in schools, believing that children's judgments on religious matters were not yet fully developed.
In summary, while Jefferson advocated for the separation of church and state and founded a secular university, he did not have any documented involvement with the Washington D.C. School Board or the practice of Bible reading in schools. His views on education and religion were complex, with a focus on secular learning while also acknowledging the importance of morality and personal religious beliefs.
 
MAGA goals (among other things): efficiency and effectiveness in government. Streamlining government gobbly gook to something helpful/useful for parents is maybe not the most important thing that is being done, but I think it merits attention and applause:

 
The haters will deflect ..they won't answer directly on your points
Which is why I ignore the the trolls more often than not. Their goal is to create food fights and derail the thread sufficiently to get it moved to the flame zone or closed. My New Year's resolution was to not feed the trolls, argue with idiots or engage in other exercises in futility.

I think honorable Americans pay attention to cause and effect, intention and accomplishment. The dishonorable are just Orangeman/GOP/MAGA/right wing bad using numerous dishonest charicterizations to say that.

And yet on individual issues, they very VERY rarely will provide any credible evidence for why something is bad/wrong/whatever.

I would really hate to think that way. It's sad.

But President Trump and his team really are trying to make American normal again. And this small but not insignificant improvement is one way that is happening.

P.S. If we DO interact with the trolls, I've found the best way to shut them up is not to insult or argue with them, but ask them to support their post. They almost never can.
 
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Which is why I ignore the the trolls more often than not. Their goal is to create food fights and derail the thread sufficiently to get it moved to the flame zone or closed. My New Year's resolution was to not feed the trolls, argue with idiots or engage in other exercises in futility.

I think honorable Americans pay attention to cause and effect, intention and accomplishment. The dishonorable are just Orangeman/GOP/MAGA/right wing bad using numerous dishonest charicterizations to say that.

And yet on individual issues, they very VERY rarely will provide any credible evidence for why something is bad/wrong/whatever.

I would really hate to think that way. It's sad.

But President Trump and his team really are trying to make American normal again. And this small but not insignificant improvement is one way that is happening.

P.S. If we DO interact with the trolls, I've found the best way to shut them up is not to insult or argue with them, but ask them to support their post. They almost never can.
Well that is true but it's easier to do that if you're not Jewish on this board.....there's too many Jew haters around here however...I try 👍🏼
 
Well that is true but it's easier to do that if you're not Jewish on this board.....there's too many Jew haters around here however...I try 👍🏼
Are you Jewish? Yes there are some really hateful and ugly people here who are racist bigots. But ignoring them takes away their power to hurt so much. They get their jollies by provoking angry reactions from people. I think not humoring/accommodating them is far better 'revenge' than doing what they want. :)

As a people per capita, the Jewish people have contributed more good to the world than any other demographic.

The trolls, haters, bigots, racists do not want to appreciate that of course and ignore it.

We can be sure that the current Administration is aware and appreciative of that especially when the President's oldest daughter and her family are Jewish.

President Trump. Because of him we have the best chance to make America normal again.
 
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Foxfyre Post #816 May 24, 2025 …~… I think honorable Americans pay attention to cause and effect, intention and accomplishment

whut I say …~… I pay attention to intention of what Don Trump Jr put in writing to his daddy’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadow’s on the day before the polls were opened on Election Day in November 2020. Here is the text:

whut Don Trump Jr texted on November 5, 2020 to Mark Meadows;“Republicans control 28 states Democrats 22 states. Once again Trump wins, WE either have a vote WE control and WE win OR it gets kicked to Congress 6 January 2021.”. 'Total Control': Trump Jr. Pushed Coup Plot In November 2020 Texts To Meadows

So tell me St. Foxfyre, what this planned “solution” is to “kick it to Congress” if Trump potentially loses in 2020?

……….. OR it gets kicked to Congress 6 January 2021

…… and why will it rely on Mike Pence to turn a Biden win into a loss and a win for Don Trump?
 
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Foxfyre Post #816 May 24, 2025 …~… I think honorable Americans pay attention to cause and effect, intention and accomplishment

whut I say …~… I pay attention to intention of what Don Trump Jr put in writing to his daddy’s Chief of Staff Mark Meadow’s on the day before the polls were opened on Election Day in November 2020. Here is the text:

whut Don Trump Jr texted on November 5, 2020 to Mark Meadows;“Republicans control 28 states Democrats 22 states. Once again Trump wins, WE either have a vote WE control and WE win OR it gets kicked to Congress 6 January 2021.”. 'Total Control': Trump Jr. Pushed Coup Plot In November 2020 Texts To Meadows

So tell me St. Foxfyre, what this planned “solution” is to “kick it to Congress” if Trump potentially loses in 2020?

……….. OR it gets kicked to Congress 6 January 2021

…… and why will it rely on Mike Pence to turn a Biden win into a loss and a win for Don Trump?
News Trump was overwhelmingly re-elected in 2024..
  • Donald Trump: Won 2,660 counties (out of 3,111 total counties and county equivalents analyzed).
  • Kamala Harris: Won 451 counties.
 

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