President Trum probably does have the power to pardon himself

[Crepitus]

It's an interesting theory, I don't see it happening though. As far a obstruction goes, the only way I can see a president could be charged for obstruction, after impeachment and removal or resignation, would be for destruction of evidence. It won't fly if he simply exercises his Article 2 authority to direct federal law enforcement the way he sees fit. Nixon could have been charged for obstruction after he resigned, for destruction of evidence.


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Authority or no directing the closure of a federal investigation into himself is obstructing justice. It's the intent that matters.

 

[Auld Phart]

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

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Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves right now. They took great pains to ensure the presidency didn't become a monarchy and tRump, with his loyal tRumpkins, is methodically destroying all of those protections.

All of you fools who support him in this are destroying our nation.

They've been spinning for decades

 

[AntonToo]

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

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Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

"
Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

Trump never stated that he thinks that he can pardon himself, you stupid ass. One of his former lawyers made the statement in a letter sent to the witch hunter. You worthless leftist traitors will post anything to demean Trump. Suck it, fool. Trump ain't going anywhere for the next seven years.

Here ya go.

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As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to PARDON myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong? In the meantime, the never ending Witch Hunt, led by 13 very Angry and Conflicted Democrats (& others) continues into the mid-terms!

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Next time check facts before you make a fool of yourself.

HA! You think at some point Trumpsters will get sick of being made to look like total assholes by their dear leader?

 

[JoeMoma]

That's a matter of opinion.

If accused of some crime for which I'm not guilty, I would not refuse a preemptive pardon.

Then you accept guilt. Innocent person has no use for a pardon and would refuse it.

In your opinion I accept guilt. My opinion is that I'm avoiding risk and $$$$ of court costs.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I wondered how long it was going to be before some sheep posted this up.
Trump loves to get the left-wing media riled up, it is quite obviously a form of entertainment...they are so easy, and so are people like those here.

 

[AntonToo]

That's a matter of opinion.

If accused of some crime for which I'm not guilty, I would not refuse a preemptive pardon.

Then you accept guilt. Innocent person has no use for a pardon and would refuse it.

In your opinion I accept guilt. My opinion is that I'm avoiding risk and $$$$ of court costs.

Ok you go with that, see if anyone buys that bullshit.

If Trump pardons himself he pretty much admits to being a total crook, will 100% get impeached and NO DOUBT special prosecutor will proceed to file criminal charges from there if congress doesn't remove him out of office.

 

[Crepitus]

I would pay money to see the collective meltdowns if he did.

You would permit the president to declare himself above the law so you could watch patriots get pissed off. What a perfect idiot.

Sad world we live in today isn't it.

 

[Crepitus]

Basically if you do not refuse the pardon, you accept it.

That's a matter of opinion.

If accused of some crime for which I'm not guilty, I would not refuse a preemptive pardon. Why pay ton's of money to lawyers in court costs and risk being wrongly found guilty when the pardon settles the matter?

It's kind of like pleading the 5th is not an admission of guilt.

According to dOnald tRump it is.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

Guliani kind of has a point. Trump could pardon himself and everyone else involved, and the only redress the Congress would have is impeachment, which would only remove him from office.

And that assumes you could get 67 Senators to go along with removing him from office, which you probably can't at this point.

Three things would have to happen for Trump to be impeached

1) They'd need really good evidence of his commiting a crime, personally.
2) They'd need Democratic control of the House
3) His approval ratings would have to be low enough (like lower 20's) for Republican Senators to go along with removing him.

Those things aren't likely to happen as long as the economy is running the way it is.

No, he doesn't have a point. He can't pardon himself.

You can pardon someone who been convicted of a crime.

Ford Preemptively Pardoned Nixon. Nixon had not been convicted of a crime.

By the President of the United States of America a Proclamation


Richard Nixon became the thirty-seventh President of the United States on January 20, 1969 and was reelected in 1972 for a second term by the electors of forty-nine of the fifty states. His term in office continued until his resignation on August 9, 1974.


Pursuant to resolutions of the House of Representatives, its Committee on the Judiciary conducted an inquiry and investigation on the impeachment of the President extending over more than eight months. The hearings of the Committee and its deliberations, which received wide national publicity over television, radio, and in printed media, resulted in votes adverse to Richard Nixon on recommended Articles of Impeachment.


As a result of certain acts or omissions occurring before his resignation from the Office of President, Richard Nixon has become liable to possible indictment and trial for offenses against the United States. Whether or not he shall be so prosecuted depends on findings of the appropriate grand jury and on the discretion of the authorized prosecutor. Should an indictment ensue, the accused shall then be entitled to a fair trial by an impartial jury, as guaranteed to every individual by the Constitution.


It is believed that a trial of Richard Nixon, if it became necessary, could not fairly begin until a year or more has elapsed. In the meantime, the tranquility to which this nation has been restored by the events of recent weeks could be irreparably lost by the prospects of bringing to trial a former President of the United States. The prospects of such trial will cause prolonged and divisive debate over the propriety of exposing to further punishment and degradation a man who has already paid the unprecedented penalty of relinquishing the highest elective office of the United States.


Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.


IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this eighth day of September, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and seventy-four, and of the Independence of the United States of America the one hundred and ninety-ninth.


GERALD R. FORD

Yes, and?

 

[JoeMoma]

That's a matter of opinion.

If accused of some crime for which I'm not guilty, I would not refuse a preemptive pardon.

Then you accept guilt. Innocent person has no use for a pardon and would refuse it.

In your opinion I accept guilt. My opinion is that I'm avoiding risk and $$$$ of court costs.

Ok you go with that, see if anyone buys that bullshit.

If Trump pardons himself he pretty much admits to being a total crook.

I will go with that. The dems believe he is a crook already with no pardon.

If I get a pardon and you say "it's an admission of guilt" I will simply say "no it's not", but you can believe what ever you want.

 

[AntonToo]

I wondered how long it was going to be before some sheep posted this up.
Trump loves to get the left-wing media riled up, it is quite obviously a form of entertainment...they are so easy, and so are people like those here.

President's lawyers are pre-gaming for an impeachment back IN JANUARY and THIS is where your head is at when you learn about it? Someone riling up?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

Guliani kind of has a point. Trump could pardon himself and everyone else involved, and the only redress the Congress would have is impeachment, which would only remove him from office.

And that assumes you could get 67 Senators to go along with removing him from office, which you probably can't at this point.

Three things would have to happen for Trump to be impeached

1) They'd need really good evidence of his commiting a crime, personally.
2) They'd need Democratic control of the House
3) His approval ratings would have to be low enough (like lower 20's) for Republican Senators to go along with removing him.

Those things aren't likely to happen as long as the economy is running the way it is.

No, he doesn't have a point. He can't pardon himself.

You can pardon someone who been convicted of a crime.

Ford Preemptively Pardoned Nixon. Nixon had not been convicted of a crime.

Yes, I know.

The problem here is, does a preemptive pardon exist? Or did Ford just make it up? Did the Supreme Court simply ignore it because they could?

It exists because Ford set the precedent and no one challenged it in court. I suspect that if Trump ever tries to pardon himself for anything that it will be challenged though.

The problem is, the precedent is so weak. It was precedent set and not challenged, hardly much precedent. Also, it wasn't Nixon on himself.

 

[bodecea]

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

"
Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

The Democrat coup attempt has failed, so now the Left Wingers have become even crazier.

Take that up with trump and his so-called lawyer.

 

[easyt65]

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

"
Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

Bwuhahahaha....

Trump's administration spokesmen / reps ALSO said recently that 'misleading' the press with some of these ridiculous statements / 'tidbits' is not illegal....meaning he sometimes throws out things like this just to watch Liberal Media / snowflake heads explode and watch them become triggered while ranting and raving about them.

You yourself make the argument why saying something like this for real - meaning it - is illogical / does not even make sense. One would have to be completely stupid to say something like this.....and he has proven he is NOT stupid, no matter what snowflakes may say.

After all, he did beat Hillary, has forged / crafted the best economy and unemployment rates in decades, talked hostile nations into releasing Americans, etc....and KNOWS there is nothing he would have to 'pardon' himself over as after 2 years the Democrats still have NOTHING.

Score another one for the President, making liberals / snowflakes heads explode over and over an d over and over again....

 

[frigidweirdo]

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

"
Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

"
Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

Trump never stated that he thinks that he can pardon himself, you stupid ass. One of his former lawyers made the statement in a letter sent to the witch hunter. You worthless leftist traitors will post anything to demean Trump. Suck it, fool. Trump ain't going anywhere for the next seven years.

Someone can't read, I see. But you certainly know how to insult.

It's funny when someone calls another person an insult like "fool" and yet they didn't read the OP, they don't know what they're talking about.

We call it IRONY.

what's even funnier is when someone posts what you did. In your OP, Who said it? come on 'fool' let's see whose name you mention.

If I could actually understand what you've written, that'd be nice.

 

[Crepitus]

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

"
Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

um...where did trump say this? trump didn't say this and may not even think it. but that won't stop you from putting up an inflammatory headline now will it? read through the story and the closest you get is the mention of a letter and a lawyer talking.

so please - show me where trump himself said he can be pardoned based off your article.

Donald J. Trump

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As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to PARDON myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong? In the meantime, the never ending Witch Hunt, led by 13 very Angry and Conflicted Democrats (& others) continues into the mid-terms!

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[frigidweirdo]

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

"
Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

"
Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

Trump never stated that he thinks that he can pardon himself, you stupid ass. One of his former lawyers made the statement in a letter sent to the witch hunter. You worthless leftist traitors will post anything to demean Trump. Suck it, fool. Trump ain't going anywhere for the next seven years.

His lawyer, representing him made the statement. Unless he fires Rudy, Rudy is legally speaking for him.

huh? Rudy is a human being who knows the law. and he said it. he wasn't representing anyone unless he says so.

Except that he basically said what he said as if it had come straight from Trump.

He won't do something. How does Giuliani know Trump won't do this exactly?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

"
Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

This is just my theory, but I think this is being floated to calm the President down.

Or being floated by a guy who has continually put Trump in a more difficult position.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

"
Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

Trump 'could pardon himself but won't'

"
Trump 'could pardon himself over Russia but won't', says Giuliani"

Giuliani has claimed that Trump thinks he can pardon himself. Coming from a lawyer, this is a little bemusing.

Firstly because Trump, as president, could only be impeached.

If he were impeached, he'd no longer be president. If he were tried in a court of law, he'd not be president, if he were found guilty, he's still not be president, and not being president means he can't pardon himself.

Trump never stated that he thinks that he can pardon himself, you stupid ass. One of his former lawyers made the statement in a letter sent to the witch hunter. You worthless leftist traitors will post anything to demean Trump. Suck it, fool. Trump ain't going anywhere for the next seven years.

His lawyer, representing him made the statement. Unless he fires Rudy, Rudy is legally speaking for him.

Maybe in a fukin courtroom. Not in front of a microphone.

Then why did he basically speak as if he's Trump's mouthpiece?

Though Bulldog has said it better and I don't need to repeat what he's said.

cause he's allowed to in the US? I don't know, why don't you ask him.

Ah yes. Because in the US he has freedom of speech, that means he then goes off on one pretending to be Trump, but actually isn't.

How many lawyers for US presidents do you know say stuff as if they've had a conversation with that US president, but actually haven't?

 

[AntonToo]

That's a matter of opinion.

If accused of some crime for which I'm not guilty, I would not refuse a preemptive pardon.

Then you accept guilt. Innocent person has no use for a pardon and would refuse it.

In your opinion I accept guilt. My opinion is that I'm avoiding risk and $$$$ of court costs.

Ok you go with that, see if anyone buys that bullshit.

If Trump pardons himself he pretty much admits to being a total crook.

I will go with that. The dems believe he is a crook already with no pardon.

If I get a pardon and you say "it's an admission of guilt" I will simply say "no it's not", but you can believe what ever you want.

HUGE difference between politicos asserting something before investigation is complete and President himself admitting guilt.

If you do not believe that Trump is guilty after he actually tries to pardon himself then you sir need a new brain, first one fell out.