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The Supreme Court on Monday put gay marriage on hold in Utah, giving the state time to appeal a federal judge's ruling against Utah's same-sex marriage ban.
The court issued a brief order Monday blocking any new same-sex unions in the state. The ruling comes after a Dec. 20 ruling by U.S. District Judge Robert Shelby that the state's ban on same-sex marriage violates gay and lesbian couples' constitutional rights....
...The high court order will remain in effect until the Denver-based 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decides whether to uphold Shelby's ruling.
In another filing on Monday, the state of Utah argued that Shelby's "unlawful injunction" interferes with the state's enforcement of its own laws...
...Utah changed its constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage in 2004.
Nearly two-thirds of Utah's 2.8 million residents are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and Mormons dominate the state's legal and political circles. The Mormon church was one of the leading forces behind California's short-lived ban on same-sex marriage, Proposition 8....
... Supreme Court puts gay marriage on hold in Utah | Fox News
I guess this means, using California's Prop 8 case last year in SCOTUS that Utah will be forced to accept gay marriage and this stay is only a temporary hold until they can go through the motions of making gay marriage formally legal in Utah....
..against the vote of 2/3rds of Utah's citizens and the same percentage of that state who have been taught the lesson of Sodom and civilizations that support or enable sodomites. In case you were wondering what that lesson is, it's that God said that anyone who supports or enables a culture where sodomy is promoted as normal is condemned to the eternal fires of hell. That little snag.
It isn't a venial sin to acquiesce to or enable or have any part in normalizing a homosexual lifestyles in other words, it's a mortal sin.
So this should get interesting for the Supreme Court. On the one hand they just told California's 7 million majority that voted for their own initiative law, Prop 8, to stuff it. On the other hand, they cannot arbitrarily turn around and tell Utah, "in your case we'll make an exception".
Yet they also cannot violate the 1st Amendment and force people to abandon their faith in the interest of the government and its secular laws; particulary when the punishment for abandoning their faith in this specific instance means condemnation to hell for eternity.
And telling 2/3rds of a clear majority of a state that they have no rights to their religious beliefs? I don't envy the 9 Justices, that's for sure.
Let's take a look at the two sides of the argument and what they will boil down to.
1. Gays claim that they are "born that way". And relying on this premise they declare that they are a special class of people: particularly "LGBT" people. They revere Harvey Milk as their iconic leader. [More on him and how gays marrying and qualifying thereby for adoption later in this thread].
2. Devout christians, mormons and islamics believe at the core of their faith that homosexuality is a lifestyle and as such can catch on to dominate an entire culture through singsong, smooth speeches and coercive talk to bring a whole society to damnation:
ARGUMENT #1:
The premise is flawed. I personally know of a set of identical twin girls raised by a butch and femme lesbian couple. One twin grew up to become a lesbian. The other twin grew up to become straight, is married, in love with her husband and has a couple of kids. Case closed.
But if you want further verification, here is a study that shows in the animal kingdom, sexual orientation is learned from social cues and then imprinted to become a "choice" for that animal's life.
http://psychology.concordia.ca/fac/pfaus/Pfaus-Kippin-Centeno(2001).pdf
Conditioning and Sexual Behavior: A Review
James G. Pfaus,1 Tod E. Kippin, and Soraya Centeno
Center for Studies in Behavioral Neurobiology, Department of Psychology, Concordia
University, 1455 deMaisonneuve Bldg. W., Montre´al, Que´bec, H3G 1M8 Canada
Received August 9, 2000, accepted March 1, 2001
The bibliography contains about 350 citations to peer-reviewed articles from behavioral specialists around the world. And remember, animals are the most slavish of creatures to their DNA. Humans by comparison are the most socially-malleable of the animal kingdom and as such would be the paramount examples of this study, rather than the exception to it.
This is very crucial and important when discussing argument #2.
In addition, the Mayo Clinic and clinical psychiatrists and the CDC provide disturbing links in the trend of normalizing gayness via the vehicle of marriage and a sudden spike in new HIV cases in our most impressionable citizens: boys ages 13-24:
ATLANTA [2005 Clinical Psychiatry News] -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta...
Mayo Clinic 2007 http://www.drrichardhall.com/Articles/pedophiles.pdf
One of the most obvious examples of an environmental
factor that increases the chances of an individual becoming
an offender is if he or she were sexually abused as a child.
This relationship is known as the “victim-to-abuser cycle”
or “abused-abusers phenomena.”
5,23,24,46...
...
why the “abused abusers phenomena” occurs: identification with the aggressor,
in which the abused child is trying to gain a new
identity by becoming the abuser; an imprinted sexual
arousal pattern established by early abuse; early abuse
leading to hypersexual behavior; or a form of social learning took place
Nov. 27, 2012 -- Every month, 1,000 more young Americans ages 13 to 24 get an incurable infection that's deadly unless held at bay by daily doses of costly drugs -- and many of them don't even know it.
That infection is HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. And teens are at the heart of the ongoing U.S. HIV epidemic, says CDC Director Thomas Frieden, MD, MPH.
"We see HIV infections increasing in young people but decreasing in older people. So young people are driving the epidemic," Frieden said today at a news conference held to announce the new data. "Given everything we know after 30 years of this epidemic, it is just unacceptable that young people are becoming infected at such high rates."...
...Men who have sex with other men get nearly three-fourths of new infections among young people.
One reason young gay and bisexual males have such a high infection rate is that they are far more likely than other young men (or young women) to have multiple sex partners, to use alcohol or drugs when having sex, and to have sex with older partners. They're also less likely to use condoms....
..Frieden said the CDC is focusing on programs targeting high-risk young people. But he asked for help.
"Young people themselves need to get information about HIV and AIDS, to resist pressure to have sex and do drugs, and to get tested," he said. "Families can talk to their kids often and early about prevention. And all Americans can talk honestly and openly about HIV to combat the stigma and fear that keep people from getting tested and treated." HIV Hits 1,000 Young Americans Each Month
Now then, in a fixed population of people as gays must surely be if genetic, why the sudden rise in our youngest ranks coming down with HIV? Could it be that youngsters are highly susceptible to trends and new fads? Could it be that youngsters are naturally experimental when it comes to trying sex for the first few times? Could it be that animal handlers across the globe know that you can take any stud animal of any species and artificially orient them permanently sexually to anything you choose as long as you "get to them young enough"? And what's with all these TV shows on kids programming with all the gay themes, rainbows and such?
Did you know that one of the main founders of GLAAD, an outfit that has infiltrated every nook and cranny of Hollywood and everything it produces was founded by a guy with the same last name as Obama's education czar? They're not the same first name, but they are the same last name. Cousins? Brothers? Or just coinicidence? And both men have advocated funding from the government to promote gay in the arenas where children view and watch and learn the most: TV and schools...
The more you know...
ARGUMENT #2:
It's a very simple argument. It's called "Jude" from the New Testament of the christian Bible. A testament, by the way, is a factual account from history. The argument is simply the parts in bold and that are underlined, with a brief recap below:
Jude 1
3. Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities....
..12. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13. Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15. To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18. How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit....
...22. And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23. And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24. Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, Jude 1 KJV - Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and - Bible Gateway
Jude 1:3, 1:5 & 1:7 basically say it all. They say quite simply that you must not sit on your hands. You must rise up and resist the homosexual culture. And if you don't, you will be counted as among them in the final reckoning, just like what happened with the city of Sodom. It orders that other cities like Sodom will suffer the same fate: that of eternal fire and damnation for the mortal sin of sodomy. Mortal sin, not venial or even cardinal. Mortal.
So dear US Supreme Court Justices; have fun juggling all that. And remember when you do that poor old California also decided to set requirements for marriage that you then stripped away from them by punting Prop 8's lower illegal decision which stood in complete juxtaposition to your wording in DOMA granting the right in consensus to determine marriage as belonging to each sovereign state. Upon appeal you said "no, we will not issue a stay".
The US Supreme Court actually said to California: "we will not clarify our standing on Prop 8. We will not allow you to appeal our muddy "decision" on your own laws and we will force you to accept that which we said was up to you, but that you do not want."
But for some odd reason they just issued a stay in Utah's case.
No wonder their statement was brief. They literally can't explain why they would deny gay marriages to continue in Utah while they allowed them to continue in California and denied that state's appeal that was made on the same grounds as Utah's: that California had duly enacted a law by a clear majority and the county clerks there did not want to disobey that law which was described as binding by the US Supreme Court Itself in DOMA.
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