Pray away the gay with Mittens.........

[rdean]

Republicans decide that someone they don't like is a "liar" and that's that!

Liar? Hmmm. Like when Mitt said all his money is in a "blind trust" when it isn't?

Or when he accused one of his opponents of saying "Spanish" is a "ghetto language" and then denies he said it?

Or that our Navy today is smaller than it was in 1917?

and so on.

Actually, it was one of his ads that made that accusation about 'spanish'. Ad has been withdrawn.

And, you are aware that the claim about the Navy being smaller is, technically, accurate - despite the bullshit on factcheck.org. Try checking with US Ship Force Levels and use the standard Navy metric (ships, not personnel). And, hey presto, Romney is right.

Seems to me that the same people who screamed like banshees about Obama's misspeaks are now holding the GOP to the standard that they, themselves, failed to meet.

Curious.

Did the Navy have 4,000 modern fighter jets in 1917? Stop with the assholery. When Mitt, in extremely rehearsed Spanish, says at the end of that commercial, "I"m Mitt Romney, and I approve this message", then it's his message.

Besides, don't most Republicans find what he said to be true? I'm sure a lot of conservatives like what they heard.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Looks like Romney has more problems...........

Wayne Besen of Truth Wins Out appeared on MSNBC’s The Rachel Maddow Show on Thursday night to discuss how former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney indirectly helped fund so-called “pray away the gay” therapy.

The Tyler Charitable Foundation, set up and funded by the Romneys, donated $10,000 in 2006 to the Massachusetts Family Institute, which promotes the ex-gay therapy. The charity also donated $25,000 to the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which opposes same sex marriage and has compared LGBT activists to the terrorist group al Qaeda.

Besen noted that one of the ex-gay organizations promoted by the Massachusetts Family Institute claims that gay men can become more masculine “by drinking Gatorade and calling their friends ‘dude.’”

“There is nothing scientific about these groups,” he said. “They’re rejected by every respected medical and mental health organization in the world.”

“Basically anybody with credibility rejects attempts to change sexual orientation.”

Romney charity money went to ‘pray away the gay’ group | The Raw Story

Discuss............

So he donated to a group that specifically focuses on 'fixing' gay people?

No.

Actually, the Mass Family Institute focuses on:

Gambling
Human Sexuality
Internet Safety
Marriage and Family
Parental Rights and Education
Pornography
Religious Freedom
Statutory Rape
Transgender Rights

Massachusetts Family Institute | Dedicated to Strengthening the Family

Partisan morons accept the media bullshit from Madcow and the like. Intelligent posters do a few minutes of investigations.

Here's what I found after a few minutes of investigations:

Kris Mineau, president of the Massachusetts Family Institute, which opposes gay marriage, condemned Tauro's rulings, calling them "another blatant example of a judge playing legislator."

Same-sex marriage activists have failed to win public approval of their "agenda," Mineau said. "That is why their strategy is to force same-sex marriage through judicial fiat."

Part of federal gay marriage ban ruled unconstitutional - Los Angeles Times

Here's a letter Mineau wrote last November:

Not satisfied with simply erasing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” (DADT) from the U.S. military, liberals are continuing their fight to reshape our values and the very foundation of the family. With DADT no longer in place, gays and lesbians feel even more empowered to fight for special benefits, and they are now concentrating their attention on overturning DOMA. And they have found a Democrat-controlled U.S. Senate that is willing to do their bidding.

Fight to keep DOMA heats up in Washington | Massachusetts Family Institute

Kris Mineau, president of the Massachusetts Family Institute, said he planned to ask House Speaker John Boehner to appoint a special prosecutor to defend the Defense of Marriage Act, and to ask the Appellate Court to give his group legal standing to continue an appeal of a ruling in Massachusetts.

State conservatives pledge to uphold Defense of Marriage Act - BostonHerald.com

And Mass Family Institute "focuses" on Transgender Rights alright. From their website:

But HB 1728, the Bathroom Bill, impacts all places of public accommodation. Designed to help gender-confused individuals, HB 1728 would add the vague category of “gender identity or expression” to the state ban on discrimination. Among the negative consequences of this law are: a) school children would be taught that they can change their gender if they want and b) women and children would be put at risk since access to sensitive areas such as single-sex bathrooms, locker rooms, and c) women-only fitness facilities would be open to anyone, regardless of biological sex, and d) anyone speaking out against it could be charged with a “hate crime.”

The Bathroom Bill

They also include in their issues that they are against all forms of gambling- including lotteries, they're against all the other usuals...abortion, adult stem cell research...

The Human Sexuality "issue" was a good one:

MFI strongly opposes any efforts by political activists to normalize homosexual behavior and all attempts to equate homosexuality with immutable characteristics such as skin color, or the “gay rights” movement with the civil rights movement.

I mean, you have to admit, Romney donated a nice sum of money to a group which clearly has a BIG anti-gay agenda...

 

[Ravi]

I suppose somebody in his organization should have an understanding as to exactly what his contributions are funding. However the dollar amounts are small in relation to Romney's total donations so tough to point a firm finger.

I like the theory that Gatorade consumption will remove the gay!

I think it washes out the gay electrolytes and replaces them with straight electrolytes. I will buy a case for my neighbor and sit back and see what happens.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey.......he did contribute to this, knowing full well what the organization was about.

He's also stated he wants to bring back DADT and kick all the openly serving gays out.

Nope, he's gonna have a hard row to hoe.

I think I've established that I never have a kind word to say about the Weird Mormon Robot the GOP establishment is foisting on us.

But this issue is not a big deal. It wasn't like the gays were going vote for a Republican, and it wasn't like the hard core homophobes were going to vote for Obama.

Romney's message on this is mixed. He wasn't bad for gays when he was Governor, but he's toeing the anti-gay line to throw red meat to the conservatives who are currently looking at Newt or Santorum. (He has to get those folks back, eventually.) Naturally, he's flipped on this issue a couple of times.

But this is too indirect. A charity he supported was doing this scientific quackery on the side, can't see it as a deal killer.

As for reinstituting DADT, I think that there would be several legal problems with that. Let's not forget, Obama didn't overturn it because he was a swell guy, he overturned it because if he didn't, the courts were going to.

 

[Mac1958]

 

[midcan5]

The one thing hopeful today is the young are more open and tolerant than the older generation. A more open society helps. Progress marches sloooooowwwwly forward.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/health-and-lifestyle/50615-know-what-really-causes-homosexuality.html

 

[Valerie]

I think I've established that I never have a kind word to say about the Weird Mormon Robot the GOP establishment is foisting on us.

Bullshit, the GOP establishment is foisting him upon us. American voters are making their choice DESPITE the GOP establishment's strong resistance to Romney...

 

[California Girl]

Republicans decide that someone they don't like is a "liar" and that's that!

Liar? Hmmm. Like when Mitt said all his money is in a "blind trust" when it isn't?

Or when he accused one of his opponents of saying "Spanish" is a "ghetto language" and then denies he said it?

Or that our Navy today is smaller than it was in 1917?

and so on.

Actually, it was one of his ads that made that accusation about 'spanish'. Ad has been withdrawn.

And, you are aware that the claim about the Navy being smaller is, technically, accurate - despite the bullshit on factcheck.org. Try checking with US Ship Force Levels and use the standard Navy metric (ships, not personnel). And, hey presto, Romney is right.

Seems to me that the same people who screamed like banshees about Obama's misspeaks are now holding the GOP to the standard that they, themselves, failed to meet.

Curious.

Did the Navy have 4,000 modern fighter jets in 1917? Stop with the assholery. When Mitt, in extremely rehearsed Spanish, says at the end of that commercial, "I"m Mitt Romney, and I approve this message", then it's his message.

Besides, don't most Republicans find what he said to be true? I'm sure a lot of conservatives like what they heard.

It doesn't make jack shit of difference what the modern Navy has that the 1917 Navy did not have. There is a standard measurement, used by the US Navy - and therefore the official figure - to measure the size of the Navy. According to those figures, Mitt is absolutely correct.

Your opinion on this is of no consequence.... there is a set measurement and that is what confirms Mitt's statement.

Sucks to have facts available, huh?

 

[Seawytch]

Can you provide evidence of this strong GOP establishment resistance to Reversible Mittens?

 

[Valerie]

Can you provide evidence of this strong GOP establishment resistance to Reversible Mittens?

Oh you didn't realize the GOP base have been resisting Mitt the whole way...?

Today, the media is focusing on new polls suggesting a Newt Gingrich surge in the Republican nomination fight. Yet another interesting aspect of the polls is that they also show Republican voters are still stubbornly resisting a Mitt Romney nomination.


Yet it's worth noting that even with the increasing sense that Romney is inevitable, Republican voters are reluctant to rally around him. What we're seeing now is part of the pattern we've seen for months -- when one candidate falters, his or her support goes to somebody other than Romney.


All the obvious caveats apply -- these are national polls, whereas early state polls are what matter, and there's still plenty of time for people to get behind Romney. But the continued resistance should be of at least some concern to establishment Republicans. Anti-Obama sentiment may go a long way in energizing the GOP base, but a lack of enthusiasm for the nominee could remain a problem.

Polls show stubborn resistance to Romney | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

 

[Seawytch]

Can you provide evidence of this strong GOP establishment resistance to Reversible Mittens?

Oh you didn't realize the GOP base have been resisting Mitt the whole way...?

Today, the media is focusing on new polls suggesting a Newt Gingrich surge in the Republican nomination fight. Yet another interesting aspect of the polls is that they also show Republican voters are still stubbornly resisting a Mitt Romney nomination.


Yet it's worth noting that even with the increasing sense that Romney is inevitable, Republican voters are reluctant to rally around him. What we're seeing now is part of the pattern we've seen for months -- when one candidate falters, his or her support goes to somebody other than Romney.


All the obvious caveats apply -- these are national polls, whereas early state polls are what matter, and there's still plenty of time for people to get behind Romney. But the continued resistance should be of at least some concern to establishment Republicans. Anti-Obama sentiment may go a long way in energizing the GOP base, but a lack of enthusiasm for the nominee could remain a problem.

Polls show stubborn resistance to Romney | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

You said GOP establishment, not GOP base.

 

[del]

Can you provide evidence of this strong GOP establishment resistance to Reversible Mittens?

Oh you didn't realize the GOP base have been resisting Mitt the whole way...?

Today, the media is focusing on new polls suggesting a Newt Gingrich surge in the Republican nomination fight. Yet another interesting aspect of the polls is that they also show Republican voters are still stubbornly resisting a Mitt Romney nomination.


Yet it's worth noting that even with the increasing sense that Romney is inevitable, Republican voters are reluctant to rally around him. What we're seeing now is part of the pattern we've seen for months -- when one candidate falters, his or her support goes to somebody other than Romney.


All the obvious caveats apply -- these are national polls, whereas early state polls are what matter, and there's still plenty of time for people to get behind Romney. But the continued resistance should be of at least some concern to establishment Republicans. Anti-Obama sentiment may go a long way in energizing the GOP base, but a lack of enthusiasm for the nominee could remain a problem.

Polls show stubborn resistance to Romney | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

You said GOP establishment, not GOP base.

 

[Valerie]

Can you provide evidence of this strong GOP establishment resistance to Reversible Mittens?

Oh you didn't realize the GOP base have been resisting Mitt the whole way...?

Today, the media is focusing on new polls suggesting a Newt Gingrich surge in the Republican nomination fight. Yet another interesting aspect of the polls is that they also show Republican voters are still stubbornly resisting a Mitt Romney nomination.


Yet it's worth noting that even with the increasing sense that Romney is inevitable, Republican voters are reluctant to rally around him. What we're seeing now is part of the pattern we've seen for months -- when one candidate falters, his or her support goes to somebody other than Romney.


All the obvious caveats apply -- these are national polls, whereas early state polls are what matter, and there's still plenty of time for people to get behind Romney. But the continued resistance should be of at least some concern to establishment Republicans. Anti-Obama sentiment may go a long way in energizing the GOP base, but a lack of enthusiasm for the nominee could remain a problem.

Polls show stubborn resistance to Romney | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

You said GOP establishment, not GOP base.

You want to play word games?



Many of the GOP establishment base, whatever you want to call them, have been absolutely resisting a Mitt Romney nomination...




the biggest story to come out of this event has to be both the hostility between evangelicals and Team Romney and the absolute endorsement for “Not Romney.”
The Evangelical Vote | RedState



Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney claimed victory at the Iowa caucus late Tuesday night, but his failure to capture a decisive majority vote shows a lingering resistance from many Republicans who have repeatedly looked for someone - almost anyone - else.
http://www.china.org.cn/world/2012-01/05/content_24331226.htm

Highlighting important divisions within the Republican Party, over three-quarters of Iowa Republicans still favored someone else, and may indicate that Romney's nomination battle could drag on longer than his campaign would like.

Despite his position as default frontrunner, outside his familiar Northeastern territory Romney struggles to capture a strong majority of support. Since he announced his candidacy in June, Romney has rarely posted more than 25 percent in national polls.

But it seems Republicans are not as much bothered by the bleak picture for Romney as by seeing alternative Republican frontrunners fizzling out one after another.

This so-called "anybody but Romney" phenomenon seems to primarily be driven by traditional Republican stalwarts such as Newt Gingrich - who derisively refers to Romney as a "Massachusetts moderate" and doubts if he is conservative enough to represent the Republican party - and the social conservatives and religious interest groups who distrust Romney's switched positions on abortion and other social issues.






Mitt Romney has an evangelical problem because evangelicals have a Mitt Romney problem.

This is a troubling concern for the GOP frontrunner for the 2012 nomination. Evangelicals have been a dominant constituency in Republican politics since Ronald Reagan assembled his winning coalition of fiscal, foreign policy, and moral conservatives back in 1980. Ever since then, successful GOP candidates for the White House have made sure to have this group on their side. This is especially important for anyone approaching South Carolina, where evangelical Christians are especially well represented (60 percent of likely voters). But the former Massachusetts governor is having a hard time winning them over.
WORLDmag.com | Romney’s evangelical problem

 

[GoneBezerk]

Your friends, all 3 of them, are gay just like you.

Drinking Gatorade and calling someone "dude" doesn't make you straight.

I've known a gay person or two who DID drink Gatorade, and called people "dude", but they were trying to stay hidden.

Hmmm............by that logic, would drinking tea and calling everyone "darling" make a person gay?

 

[Seawytch]

The GOP establishment and the GOP base are not the same things...

 

[del]

The GOP establishment and the GOP base are not the same things...

because you said so, it must be true

 

[Valerie]

The GOP establishment and the GOP base are not the same things...

Establishment was Joe Shmoe's word and I initially responded to him by using his word...YOU are just establishing a base of playing silly word semantics!






Regardless, the base of the party gets established and becomes the establishment of the base...And they no likey Mittens!




>>>

I think I've established that I never have a kind word to say about the Weird Mormon Robot the GOP establishment is foisting on us.

Bullshit, the GOP establishment is foisting him upon us. American voters are making their choice DESPITE the GOP establishment's strong resistance to Romney...

 

[JoeB131]

I think I've established that I never have a kind word to say about the Weird Mormon Robot the GOP establishment is foisting on us.

Bullshit, the GOP establishment is foisting him upon us. American voters are making their choice DESPITE the GOP establishment's strong resistance to Romney...

The man's lost 2 out of three primaries and 70% of Republicans would prefer to have someone else.

No, the Establishment of the GOP wants this guy, bad. The rank and file doesn't want him, but they are being bombarded by all sorts of bullshit about anyone who opposes him,

And when a lot of them stay home or vote for Third Parties in November, you can come back here and whine about how we wuz all bigots against Mormons.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh you didn't realize the GOP base have been resisting Mitt the whole way...?

You said GOP establishment, not GOP base.

You want to play word games?

Many of the GOP establishment base, whatever you want to call them, have been absolutely resisting a Mitt Romney nomination...

the biggest story to come out of this event has to be both the hostility between evangelicals and Team Romney and the absolute endorsement for “Not Romney.”

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney claimed victory at the Iowa caucus late Tuesday night, but his failure to capture a decisive majority vote shows a lingering resistance from many Republicans who have repeatedly looked for someone - almost anyone - else.

Highlighting important divisions within the Republican Party, over three-quarters of Iowa Republicans still favored someone else, and may indicate that Romney's nomination battle could drag on longer than his campaign would like.

Despite his position as default frontrunner, outside his familiar Northeastern territory Romney struggles to capture a strong majority of support. Since he announced his candidacy in June, Romney has rarely posted more than 25 percent in national polls.

But it seems Republicans are not as much bothered by the bleak picture for Romney as by seeing alternative Republican frontrunners fizzling out one after another.

This so-called "anybody but Romney" phenomenon seems to primarily be driven by traditional Republican stalwarts such as Newt Gingrich - who derisively refers to Romney as a "Massachusetts moderate" and doubts if he is conservative enough to represent the Republican party - and the social conservatives and religious interest groups who distrust Romney's switched positions on abortion and other social issues.


Mitt Romney has an evangelical problem because evangelicals have a Mitt Romney problem.

This is a troubling concern for the GOP frontrunner for the 2012 nomination. Evangelicals have been a dominant constituency in Republican politics since Ronald Reagan assembled his winning coalition of fiscal, foreign policy, and moral conservatives back in 1980. Ever since then, successful GOP candidates for the White House have made sure to have this group on their side. This is especially important for anyone approaching South Carolina, where evangelical Christians are especially well represented (60 percent of likely voters). But the former Massachusetts governor is having a hard time winning them over.

[/quote]

But this is the base, the rank and file folks who vote Republican every year. And these are the people who have a lot of problems with Romney, which is a great indicator of why the GOP just plain shouldn't nominate the man.

This is NOT the establishment, the folks who hold office, and cut the checks.

The only thing separating Mitt Romney from Jon Huntsman is his willingness to spend the millions he made screwing working folks out of jobs on these attempts to win the presidency.

But blue collar Republicans don't like him because he made his fortune screwing folks just like them.

Evangelicals don't like him because he belongs to the whacky cult that calls their churches "an abomination unto the lord".

Social Conservatives don't like him because he flips-flops on issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc.

And this is the great divide within the GOP. The people in the establishment only care that if this fool becomes president, he'll sign a bunch of laws to make the rich richer. They don't care about these social issues except during election time.

 

[California Girl]

I think I've established that I never have a kind word to say about the Weird Mormon Robot the GOP establishment is foisting on us.

Bullshit, the GOP establishment is foisting him upon us. American voters are making their choice DESPITE the GOP establishment's strong resistance to Romney...

The man's lost 2 out of three primaries and 70% of Republicans would prefer to have someone else.

No, the Establishment of the GOP wants this guy, bad. The rank and file doesn't want him, but they are being bombarded by all sorts of bullshit about anyone who opposes him,

And when a lot of them stay home or vote for Third Parties in November, you can come back here and whine about how we wuz all bigots against Mormons.

So did Gingrich - lost 2 out of three primaries.

So did Santorum - lost 2 out of three primaries.

Your 'point' is mute.

Who the 'establishment' want is someone who can beat Obama - national polls suggest that man is Romney, so, yea, a rational person could see that might be a good reason to nominate him.

Fact is: He's smart, he can beat Obama and he is fit to govern the nation. Anything else should not matter to the base.