Power the U.S. With Solar Panels!

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Why would you have an issue with that?

when you add back the 190 watts of heat in the city, the solar panel heats the planet more than the bare soil did. By 100 watts.

That's why.

 

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Doesn't electricity usage generate waste heat?

I'll get to that when you agree that solar farms induce a regional cooling effect as measured at six solar farms.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Thanks for proving my point.

I'm happy to show your lack of understanding of solar panels.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's why.

You have an issue with 190 watts of heat added to the city?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'll get to that when you agree that solar farms induce a regional cooling effect as measured at six solar farms.

Moving 190 watts to the city cools the solar farm......by 190 watts.

 

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I don't have an issue with 760 < 850. Do you?

Why would I? 760 is less than 850.

But that's still not you agreeing that solar farms induce a regional cooling effect as measured at six solar farms. And I can't go on until you do. Because you keep muddying the waters with it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why would I? 760 is less than 850.

But that's still not you agreeing that solar farms induce a regional cooling effect as measured at six solar farms. And I can't go on until you do. Because you keep muddying the waters with it.

I'm glad you finally understand some of the math.

But that's still not you agreeing that solar farms induce a regional cooling effect

But that's still not you agreeing that solar electricity use induces a regional warming effect.

 

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I'm glad you finally understand some of the math.


But that's still not you agreeing that solar electricity use induces a regional warming effect.

Cool story.

 

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Waste heat from electricity use is the same for all cases. It's in the case of generating electricity from 100% fossil fuels and it's in the case of generating electricity from 100% solar. So you will have exactly the same waste heat in both cases. What won't be the same is solar radiation warming the surface of the planet (760 < 850). So converting from fossil fuels to solar will keep the same waste heat and will reduce the effective solar radiation heating the surface of the planet which incrementally will result in a net cooling relative to fossil fuels.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cool story.

Doesn't electricity usage generate waste heat?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Waste heat from electricity use is the same for all cases. It's in the case of generating electricity from 100% fossil fuels and it's in the case of generating electricity from 100% solar. So you will have exactly the same waste heat in both cases. What won't be the same is solar radiation warming the surface of the planet. So converting from fossil fuels to solar will keep the same waste heat and will reduce the effective solar radiation heating the surface of the planet which incrementally will result in a net cooling relative to fossil fuels.

Waste heat from electricity use is the same for all cases.

Yes, 190 watts of nat gas electricity will heat the city just as much as 190 watts of solar electricity.

 

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Doesn't electricity usage generate waste heat?

760<850

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Waste heat from electricity use is the same for all cases. It's in the case of generating electricity from 100% fossil fuels and it's in the case of generating electricity from 100% solar. So you will have exactly the same waste heat in both cases. What won't be the same is solar radiation warming the surface of the planet (760 < 850). So converting from fossil fuels to solar will keep the same waste heat and will reduce the effective solar radiation heating the surface of the planet which incrementally will result in a net cooling relative to fossil fuels.

What won't be the same is solar radiation warming the surface of the planet.

That's true, because the lower albedo of the panel increases the solar radiation warming the planet.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

760<850

You left out the electricity....190

 

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760 < 850

Thank you for agreeing with me that there is a cooling effect at solar farms. That's all I really wanted.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Thank you for agreeing with me that there is a cooling effect at solar farms. That's all I really wanted.

Happy to help you with basic math.

Now, about your heat powered panels.........

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I have an issue with your statement that solar power results in net warming.

Because you don't understand albedo.

950>850

 

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So much for your claim that solar panels cool the planet because their electricity doesn't heat the surface.

Relative to fossil fuels it does.

Waste heat from electricity use is the same for all cases. It's in the case of generating electricity from 100% fossil fuels and it's in the case of generating electricity from 100% solar. So you will have exactly the same waste heat in both cases. What won't be the same is solar radiation warming the surface of the planet (760 < 850). So converting from fossil fuels to solar will keep the same waste heat and will reduce the effective solar radiation heating the surface of the planet which incrementally will result in a net cooling relative to fossil fuels.

 

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For solar farm daytime temperatures to be incrementally cooler the net albedo of the solar panels (after subtracting the solar radiation converted to electricity) must be effectively higher than bare earth, not lower.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Relative to fossil fuels it does.

Waste heat from electricity use is the same for all cases. It's in the case of generating electricity from 100% fossil fuels and it's in the case of generating electricity from 100% solar. So you will have exactly the same waste heat in both cases. What won't be the same is solar radiation warming the surface of the planet (760 < 850). So converting from fossil fuels to solar will keep the same waste heat and will reduce the effective solar radiation heating the surface of the planet which incrementally will result in a net cooling relative to fossil fuels.

Relative to fossil fuels it does.

If you want to change your claim, you should do that.

What won't be the same is solar radiation warming the surface of the planet (760 < 850).

950.

So converting from fossil fuels to solar will keep the same waste heat and will reduce the effective solar radiation heating the surface

The solar radiation heating the surface is increasing from 850 to 950.