Post Any Evidence you are Aware of that Donald Trump Falsified Business Records to Conceal a Crime

[leftwinger]

The woman admitted she just assumed he was born in Kenya and apologized for the error.

Only dumfuk Birthers give a magazine error more credibility than a state certified Birth Certificate

lol! An honest mistake? Approved and printed, until it became inconvienent. Dog don’t hunt. It was page 1 for Christs sake! The lead Page. Waltz off you spinning goofball.

 

[leftwinger]

You assume he has to make them himself, which is kind of dishonest.

What the DA has to show is that FPOTUS#45 made the arrangements and was part of the planning to cause the false records to be created. Not that FPOUTS#45 jumped into a seat and made an entry on an Excel sheet.



Cohen, Daniels, Pecker, and others are going to provide direct testimony about the planning and implementation of the scheme and why it was done.

That is direct evidence of the actual crime (both Cohen's and FPOTUS#45's) and * * WHY * * * the felony enhancement is justified.

I know you like reducing the case to a binary (TRUE/FALSE, YES/NO) condition and then think that torpedo's the case. But in a court of law, not quite the case.

You know, kind of like that the State of New York did in the Trump Organization Tax Fraud case. You build a whole picture for a jury, which consists of more than one pixel.

WW

witch hunt. Rigged jury. Corrupt judge and state prosecutor. No crime, no victim. Harrassment 100%.

 

[Cougarbear]

The woman admitted she just assumed he was born in Kenya and apologized for the error.

Only dumfuk Birthers give a magazine error more credibility than a state certified Birth Certificate

It was your own dumb dorks who were Clinton supporters. Also, Obummer’s half brother said the same thing. And, his grandmother as well said he was born in Kenya. Back then, birth certificates were so easy to falsify. Unless Obummer comes clean we will never know the truth from you commies.

 

[rightwinger]

It was your own dumb dorks who were Clinton supporters. Also, Obummer’s half brother said the same thing. And, his grandmother as well said he was born in Kenya. Back then, birth certificates were so easy to falsify. Unless Obummer comes clean we will never know the truth from you commies.

Can’t teach a Birther

Facts don’t matter

 

[the watcher]

I can assure you they have much more evidence and testimony than has been publicly released

They is not you. Wait until a trial is held if that is even possible anymore and then beat each other to death with keystrokes after the real "evidence" is revealed. For crying out loud get a life.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You assume he has to make them himself, which is kind of dishonest.

The indikement says he did in thirty-something different counts. Here is the first:

The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about December 5, 2017,
with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission
thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J.

Trump account check and check stub dated December 5, 2017, bearing check number 003006,
and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.

You assume that all of them will say that they heard Trump order someone to make a false entry in a business record, in order to conceal a crime?

I can imagine Cohen saying that, but then Cohen will say anything if he thinks it gives him some advantage, as you know very well.

But the prosecutor will have to change the charges to that.

What the DA has to show is that FPOTUS#45 made the arrangements and was part of the planning to cause the false records to be created. Not that FPOUTS#45 jumped into a seat and made an entry on an Excel sheet.

This is not a RICO case. So being part of "arrangements" isn't enough to convict.

What the prosecutor is hoping for (or whoever made the prosecutor push this case that he wanted to drop) is a kind of reverse jury notification, where there is no proof that Trump broke the law, but they dislike him enough to find him guilty. They may bet several jurors to do that, but they will not get them all to do it.

Cohen, Daniels, Pecker, and others are going to provide direct testimony about the planning and implementation of the scheme and why it was done.

That is direct evidence of the actual crime (both Cohen's and FPOTUS#45's) and * * WHY * * * the felony enhancement is justified.

I know you like reducing the case to a binary (TRUE/FALSE, YES/NO) condition and then think that torpedo's the case. But in a court of law, not quite the case.

It is binary according to the indictment. If Bragg throws in "or told somebody to do it," then it becomes trinary, if that's a word. He either sat down and wrote on that check stub, he told someone else to write on that check stub, or he did neither.

You know, kind of like that the State of New York did in the Trump Organization Tax Fraud case. You build a whole picture for a jury, which consists of more than one pixel.

WW

That was not a criminal trial.

 

[WorldWatcher]

witch hunt. Rigged jury. Corrupt judge and state prosecutor. No crime, no victim. Harrassment 100%.

I know you are going to have a tough 4-6 weeks.

Just know we’re here for you.

WW

 

[rightwinger]

They is not you. Wait until a trial is held if that is even possible anymore and then beat each other to death with keystrokes after the real "evidence" is revealed. For crying out loud get a life.

I believe Stormy Daniels testimony will be crushing to Donald Trump
Can’t wait

 

[dudmuck]

Now you are trying to re-write history. Pretty typical on the left. Her campaign spewed it. Own it. But you and her won’t. Just like she denies losing the election. She says she didn’t and then she says she did but it was everyone else’s fault. Trump stole it. Just like Gore with Bush.

There is a fact check that says she didnt.
Perhaps the confusion comes from that Mark Penn memo about Obama's roots, but it was never used by Hillary's campaign.
The birther crap was actually started by this guy in 2004.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

witch hunt. Rigged jury. Corrupt judge and state prosecutor. No crime, no victim. Harrassment 100%.

You parrot all of trump's lies all the time.

 

[Cougarbear]

Can’t teach a Birther

Facts don’t matter

Can’t teach a commie Democrat. Facts don’t matter. Only emotions matter. Lose the Presidency and dress up like pink vaginas. All emotions and no logic or facts.

 

[Cougarbear]

There is a fact check that says she didnt.
Perhaps the confusion comes from that Mark Penn memo about Obama's roots, but it was never used by Hillary's campaign.
The birther crap was actually started by this guy in 2004.

Andy Martin. Ring a bell. Oh, they say he and other Clinton supporters weren’t part of the campaign. But if you can claim far right wingers and fascists are speaking for Trump then these people spoke for Clinton. You can’t have it both ways.

 

[Dante]

Let's keep this thread clean, folks.

If you don't know of evidence that Donald Trump falsified business records to conceal a crime, move along to another thread.

Thanks.

a few quotes from two news articles on this subject:


Daniel J. Horwitz, a veteran defense lawyer who previously worked in the Manhattan district attorney’s office prosecuting white-collar cases, said prosecutors can be expected to corroborate Mr. Cohen’s story wherever possible.

“The prosecution has layers upon layers of evidence to back up what Michael Cohen says,” Mr. Horwitz said.


But in previewing the case for prospective jurors last week, Manhattan prosecutors emphasized neither the payoff that secured Ms. Daniels’s silence, nor the sex scandal that was buried in the process. One prosecutor, Joshua Steinglass, instead distilled the trial’s stakes to a fundamental question:

“This case is about the rule of law and whether or not Donald Trump broke it.”


Mr. Bragg’s prosecutors will seek to turn that 2016 campaign strategy against Mr. Trump: The tactics that helped propel him to victory will be admitted as evidence and reconsidered far beyond the courtroom. Aides and friends who lied on Mr. Trump’s behalf will take the witness stand to testify against him.

They include: David Pecker, the tabloid publisher who bought and buried damaging stories about Mr. Trump;
Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman who tried to spin reporters;
Mr. Cohen, the fixer who paid Ms. Daniels.

Mr. Pecker, who ran the company that owned The National Enquirer, is set to go first, and is expected to recount for the jury several conversations with Mr. Trump about the hush money, according to a person familiar with the plan.

 

[Seymour Flops]

a few quotes from two news articles on this subject:


Daniel J. Horwitz, a veteran defense lawyer who previously worked in the Manhattan district attorney’s office prosecuting white-collar cases, said prosecutors can be expected to corroborate Mr. Cohen’s story wherever possible.

The last two words make that quote meaningless.

“The prosecution has layers upon layers of evidence to back up what Michael Cohen says,” Mr. Horwitz said.

Then why do they even need to have such a near pathological liar on the witness list? Let the "layers upon layers of evidence" speak for itself.

But in previewing the case for prospective jurors last week, Manhattan prosecutors emphasized neither the payoff that secured Ms. Daniels’s silence, nor the sex scandal that was buried in the process. One prosecutor, Joshua Steinglass, instead distilled the trial’s stakes to a fundamental question:

“This case is about the rule of law and whether or not Donald Trump broke it.”

Yes, the talk of the sex scandal that would have resulted from the porn performer's lies is just for smear. It has no bearing on the charges in the indikement.

Mr. Bragg’s prosecutors will seek to turn that 2016 campaign strategy against Mr. Trump: The tactics that helped propel him to victory will be admitted as evidence and reconsidered far beyond the courtroom. Aides and friends who lied on Mr. Trump’s behalf will take the witness stand to testify against him.

They include: David Pecker, the tabloid publisher who bought and buried damaging stories about Mr. Trump;
Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman who tried to spin reporters;
Mr. Cohen, the fixer who paid Ms. Daniels.

Mr. Pecker, who ran the company that owned The National Enquirer, is set to go first, and is expected to recount for the jury several conversations with Mr. Trump about the hush money, according to a person familiar with the plan.

Why does any of that matter? The non-disclosure agreement was perfectly legal. But that is really what the trial is about, smearing Trump during an election year, and usign the power of the court to force him from the campaign trail.

The only thing that should matter in this trial, if it were a legit criminal prosecution, is proving that Trump made and and caused false entries in business records.

I can see Cohen saying that he saw Trump do that, but why use him for the star witness if other people saw Trump do that?


If he's such a horrible guy, why can't the Dems try beating him fair and square?

 

[rightwinger]

Andy Martin. Ring a bell. Oh, they say he and other Clinton supporters weren’t part of the campaign. But if you can claim far right wingers and fascists are speaking for Trump then these people spoke for Clinton. You can’t have it both ways.

Conspiracy crackpot

 

[Dante]

Then why do they even need to have such a near pathological liar on the witness list?

Mr. Cohen has never been accused of being a "pathological" liar, but Mr. Trump has been - on multiple occasions.

Mr's Trump's CFO -- plead guilty to two felony counts of perjury. Now in prison.

 

[Dante]

what the trial is about, smearing Trump during an election year

easily disproved:

Mr. Bragg refused early on after his election to prosecute Mr. Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/06/politics/trump-manhattan-district-attorney-investigation/index.html

 

[Dante]

The last two words make that quote meaningless.

You've obviously never read the full indictment. You speak out of ignorance.

I suspect you will not follow the trial if it starts looking bad for the Leader-of-the-Cult.

 

[para bellum]

Where is the "falsification"?

 

[WorldWatcher]

The only thing that should matter in this trial, if it were a legit criminal prosecution, is proving that Trump made and and caused false entries in business records.

We get that's what you want the case to be about, but in the real world there are multiple aspects to the case.

#1 Showing that FPOTUS#45 entered into a scheme to falsify business records.

#2 However there is another aspect to the case which is what raises it to a felony. That is an attempt to commit or hide/aid in another crime. Kind of hard to show #2 without discussing the other crime that is used as the enhancement.

WW