Post Any Evidence you are Aware of that Donald Trump Falsified Business Records to Conceal a Crime

[rightwinger]

Another salient legal issue that Bragg appears to have just blithely swept under the rug with this case is why, exactly, should President Trump be held vicariously criminally liable for an alleged clerical error committed by his accountant or his attorney, Michael Cohen, or whoever might have been overseeing his tax filings at the time the write-off was made? If, as President Trump has said, that it was Michael Cohen, not him, who decided pay off Stormy Daniels, Bragg should be investigating Cohen and forcing him into court, not President Trump.

The Defense will provide that theory
The jury will have to decide whether they believe Trump in saying he had nothing to do with it and never had sex with Stormy Daniels anyway or they believe Cohen in what Trump told him he wanted done to cover this up.

Stay tuned

 

[rightwinger]

There is no rhyme or reason to Bragg’s theory of the case, he is merely operating as a political apparatchik for the Biden Regime where he must get off on roleplaying as a tin-pot dictator to bring down Orange Hitler.

You guys keep saying that but have no proof that a President has any control over a state criminal case

 

[SavannahMann]

Let's keep this thread clean, folks.

If you don't know of evidence that Donald Trump falsified business records to conceal a crime, move along to another thread.

Thanks.

Ok. This is fascinating. If the Prosecutor lays out the case before the trial so all of you show me the evidence folks are able to judge the case before it happens, then the jury pool is tainted and no trial can proceed. If they don’t do that then it is obviously a witch hunt with no evidence.

Court TV will be giving you the rundown. Daily. Watch. Try and open mind for a change.

 

[rightwinger]

Ok. This is fascinating. If the Prosecutor lays out the case before the trial so all of you show me the evidence folks are able to judge the case before it happens, then the jury pool is tainted and no trial can proceed. If they don’t do that then it is obviously a witch hunt with no evidence.

Court TV will be giving you the rundown. Daily. Watch. Try and open mind for a change.

It really doesn’t matter

Trump supporters will deny the evidence regardless of how damning it is

 

[leftwinger]

The whole thing is a sham, a farce, a scam, and a political scandal of an order of magnitude never seen before in American history. The case should be tossed out, and the public should treat Bragg, James, Judge Merchan, and the entire charade backing President Trump’s latest political persecution for the clown show it is – a flagrant abuse of the rule of law. A case that one never, ever should take seriously, because those bad-faith actors currently executing the Regime’s marching orders are every bit as bad and makeshift as the phony legal theories they espouse, certain in no time to be relegated to at most a forgotten footnote in this dark, dreary, dismal chapter of American history.

With the intent to commit another crime * * OR * * hide/aid in the commission of another crime.

Mr. Trump need not have committed the other crime that was attempting to be hidden or aided in.

WW

what other crime you ignorant sack of human garbage?

 

[WorldWatcher]

what other crime you ignorant sack of human garbage?

If you would like an answer try being civil. I generally try to respect other posters.

WW

 

[Cougarbear]

You can’t fix stupid

Yet Democrats remain leading their opinions with emotions first and facts mostly never.

 

[Cougarbear]

that was fact checked long ago. It was Hillary supporters or volunteers that pushed that born in Kenya crap. But never came from Hillary herself or her campaign.

That anyone knows of. Do you really think anything goes out without Hillary knowing about it? Of course not. Here is another example of how with present day Democrats, the Buck doesn’t stop here. They take credit for anything that isn’t theirs and never own up on the things that they caused.

 

[rightwinger]

The whole thing is a sham, a farce, a scam, and a political scandal of an order of magnitude never seen before in American history.

OK name what evidence is a sham, farce or scam

A Grand Jury reviewed that evidence and determined it was sufficient to proceed to trial.

Can you discuss the actual facts of the case and identify any that are a sham?

 

[leftwinger]

If you would like an answer try being civil. I generally try to respect other posters.

WW

You’re in a war your side started NOV 2020.. Wake up dummy. You need to be eliminated any way possible.

 

[Seymour Flops]

This is incorrect.

There are two components for the state to make their case:

1. That the accused falsified (or caused to be falsified) business records.
2. That the accused did so to either commit another crime or did so to hide/aid in the commission of another crime.

Yes, that’s what I have been saying. Except for one thing… the indictment doesn’t say made or caused it says made and caused. But I’m sure the judge will let them change that as they go.

But yes. If they are going to prove the 30 something counts to the indictment, that’s exactly what they have to show.

You appear to be attempting to reduce the requirements to a single condition which isn't really the case. I don't know if the attempted reduction fallacy is on purpose or by accident.

It is not a fallacy. I think you may be confused by the fact that there are so many counts in the indictment. That may make you think that there must be multiple crimes that Trump is charged with. Actually, it is exactly the same crime charge repeated 30 something times.

No one here is able to say what the evidence of that would be except Michael Cohen. Cohen is an absurdly unreliable witness, if the prosecutors decided to search the country for the most unreliable possible witness, Cohen would’ve certainly come near the top of their list.

However there are multiple components to the charges the state will have to present to the jury.

WW

Yes, I think you are smart enough to understand what is actually going to happen. There is going to be a lengthy smear of Donald Trump, bringing in a lying sleazy lawyers, a blackmailing, porn star, and anybody else to say negative things about Trump that will be gleefully reported in the press. That’s obviously the purpose of the trial.

At some point, they will get to trying to actually prove that Trump made the entries, and that it was to conceal a crime. There is no evidence of that, or we would’ve heard about it already.

So then we go to closing arguments where the prosecutors will talk about all the horrible things at the porn star and the lying disbarred lawyer said about Trump. The defense attorney will say where is the evidence that Trump made false entries to conceal a crime?

The jury will deliberate and those who like Trump will want to find him not guilty, and those who don’t like Trump will want to find him guilty. anybody with any brains that’s exactly what this is about and exactly what is going to happen.

 

[leftwinger]

OK name what evidence is a sham, farce or scam

A Grand Jury reviewed that evidence and determined it was sufficient to proceed to trial.

Can you discuss the actual facts of the case and identify any that are a sham?

A grand jury hears only prosecution BS. This has been discussed over centuries. A rigged NY jury or paid Marxist prosecutor is not acceptable to normal decent real Americans. There is no crime, no victim.

 

[leftwinger]

Under New York law, in order to prove fraud, the State must show, by clear and convincing evidence, each and every one of the following elements:

(1) a material misrepresentation or omission of fact;

(2) made by defendant with knowledge of its falsity;

(3) and intent to defraud;

(4) reasonable reliance on the part of the plaintiff; and

(5) resulting damage to the plaintiff


who was harmed? What victim? Is it an IRS or state Tax issue?

Alleged participant signs an NDA and is paid saying “it never happened “. Now wants more money & fame? There’s your crime?

 

[rightwinger]

A grand jury hears only prosecution BS. This has been discussed over centuries. A rigged NY jury or paid Marxist prosecutor is not acceptable to normal decent real Americans. There is no crime, no victim.

You guys keep saying that about Grand Juries

Yet in your wild claims about Hillary or Biden or Pelosi, you are unable to find a Grand Jury that will support your claims.

Many Grand Juries decline to prosecute

 

[BackAgain]

A check signed by Trump going from a TRUMP business account to Cohen and Cohen paying off Stormy Daniels in the same amount

View attachment 934783

A payment for a legal fee isn’t evidence as requested. Dumb try.

 

[BackAgain]

You guys keep saying that about Grand Juries

Yet in your wild claims about Hillary or Biden or Pelosi, you are unable to find a Grand Jury that will support your claims.

Many Grand Juries decline to prosecute

Oh horseshit. What case was ever presented to any grand jury against Shrillary? Against Potato? Against Pelousy?

 

[WorldWatcher]

You’re in a war your side started NOV 2020.. Wake up dummy. You need to be eliminated any way possible.

I'm a Republican voter, but I'm not a Trump supporter.

How did "my side" start it.

WW

 

[leftwinger]

I'm a Republican voter, but I'm not a Trump supporter.

How did "my side" start it.

WW

Your inaction enables the criminal cabal. As has been posted on those site as long as I can remember.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Your inaction enables the criminal cabal. As has been posted on those site as long as I can remember.

Keeping FPOTUS#45 as far away from the Oval Office is not inaction. I'm still iffy on whether he should be allowed to buy tickets to the public tour of the White House.

I much preferred Haley to get the GOP nomination. She'd have smoked Biden. But no, we had to go with a repeat of the loser.

WW

 

[candycorn]